Is Obama done?

[Jenny_Jackson]

OK...gonna say it.

There are too many bigots in the country to get Obama or Hillary elected...plain and simple.

I like Obama but I just don't see what he has to offer other than "Hope for Change", great words nothing else.

He's not gonna be elected cuz he's black. There I said it.

There are too many folks in the country that ain't gonna elect a black man to president, least ways not now. Maybe by the next election Obama will gain the experience to back up his words and most of the die hard rascists will have died off.

Hillary ain't gonna be elected cuz she is Hillary and will always be connected to Bill. Fuck that shit. I am glad that the world is beginning to see what type of folks they really are and always have been. PERIOD.


And before you start calling me a racist or a sexist....I'll say it again....if Condi Rice were to run for president...I'd vote for her in a heartbeat. WHY?

CUZ.


Ain't that good enough for you?


Ask the millions of black folks in the US that are supporting Obama. WHY?

Ummmm...Ummmm...Ummm...cuz he's a brother.

Well, guss what. I'd rather vote for the sista!

Amen.

You are absolutly right, Misty. Obama cannot carry the NorthEast. He cannot carry the Southern States that count and he will have a hell of a time even coming close on the West Coast. Why? I'll give you three reasons.

1. He's black, ergo McCain takes the South.
2. He's all talk and no action. He can't even speak the language of Wall Street so McCain takes the NorthEast.
3. He's hateful and connected to hateful, reverse racist groups. He Loses the West.

Take a look here --> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080324/ap_on_el_pr/obama_church;_ylt=AiRGHcvWRA3S0XZ2LTVX0l6s0NUE

Love the paragraph in that articlle,

But at the church itself, the "unashamedly black" identity can be seen in the African and African-American art on the walls and windows, as well as in the traditional African clothing of the choir. It can be heard in references to rapper Tupac Shakur in Moss' Easter Sunday sermon, which was titled "Gangster's Paradise.

Puts another spin on "all Americans" and "I'm not a divider" don't it?

 

[sr71plt]

Just for curiosity's sake, I'd like to hear one thing that Condi's done that's been successful.

Amen.

 

[Belegon]

Puts another spin on "all Americans" and "I'm not a divider" don't it?

???

You confuse me and you find the most obscure and interesting places to get support for your "opinions".

So, did you study political discourse with Bob Perry, John Corsi or both?


Edited to clarify: I don't find Yahoo obscure, but I do find it confusing that she thinks that article supports her opinions. I wear a kilt and go to Highland games. But last I checked I hadn't made any speeches about killing the English and taking Scotland back for ourselves recently, nor have I ever thought that those loyal to England were hateful and ruining the U.S.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

???

You confuse me and you find the most obscure and interesting places to get support for your "opinions".

So, did you study political discourse with Bob Perry, John Corsi or both?

Nope. Everything I come up with comes from direct observation of the candidate. It has irked me for sometime that Obama has been the "darling of the news media," even though they have not done even a cursory investigation of him. Now they are learning and turning on him. Too bad it didn't happen a year ago.

Obama will make John McCain the next president of the United States. Sorry.

BTW. Obama was here in Oregon over the weekend. He held a "huge rally at the Portland Rose Garden" where he was unable to fill the lowest tier of seats, then went down south to Eugene and Medford where he announced his Bill Richardson back stab. Oh well. That's Politics. (You mean Obama is beginning to look like all the other politicians? )

 

[Belegon]

Nope. Everything I come up with comes from direct observation of the candidate. It has irked me for sometime that Obama has been the "darling of the news media," even though they have not done even a cursory investigation of him. Now they are learning and turning on him. Too bad it didn't happen a year ago.

Obama will make John McCain the next president of the United States. Sorry.

You want to explain to me why you think that all the blue states will suddenly turn red?

Because I don't care who the Democratic candidate is... certain groups and places simply will not be carried by a Repub and others by a Democrat.

As to your direct observation... I respect that each of us forms their own independent opinions. That's a good thing...

But if a dozen of us are looking at the ocean talking about how blue the water is and suddenly you walk up and talk about the lovely red waves, I don't understand why you find it so odd when the others question your vision...

 

[Liar]

Well, it's nice to know that SOMEBODY doesn't have me on ignore. Even a liberal pinhead.

Shows what you know. Just because I know what socialism is, doesn't mean I like it. I'm not American, so I have to direct stake in your presidential election. Although who leads the US affects the rest of the world a whole lot, and I'm a Planet Earth citizen. And as one, I hope you elect someone competent. Instead of, well, what you've got.

But I'm afraid that I must disagree with your assessment. O'Bama is in favor of universal government-mandated health insurance. THAT is socialism, pure and simple. Refute it if you must; I would be glad to hear your rebuttal. Have a nice day........Carney

O'Bama? Guy's Irish now?

Anyway... no, that's not socialism. Social centrism at the most. But more right leaning than any socialist or social democrat anywhere else on the planet. There has not been one truly socialist candidate in this run. Except possibly Kucinich. (And Nader, but who cares about Nader?)

I live in a country that has was run by true socialists for the bigger part of 50 years, from the 1920's to the 1980's with only short interruptions for short lived goverments of right wing coalitions (who only managed to make poor people homeless, corrupt people wealthy and skyrocket the fiscal debt every time they got the chance to govern - but that was not because of their ideolody, but because they were blathering idiots). That's why we have government monolopy on drug stores, alcohol import and sales, port operation, railroads and major government ownership in almost all of the large industries. All owned by the state, all controlled at the pleasure of a rigid, political administration.

Now, that's socialism, if you lift your gaze away from the very narrow slice of the pie that is US political ideologies, and gain a little perspective.

It's only in the last two decades that we've seen a modernization of the left, a generation shift in the old Social Democrat party and a bit more political diversity that has forced them to listen to what the other haof of the nation wants too. Deregulation and commersial competitino in the field of telecom networks, post services, electricity, health care and education, is only 15 years old.

Another example of socialism (albeit a bad one - socialism and functional democracy is not mutually exclusive), is to the south of you. Eva Morales and Hugo Chavez are hardcore socialists. Chaves is also batshiat crazy, but if you just look at the ideology behind his politics and clown-antics, that's what it is, semi militant, hardlined socialism, with goverment control of production and government supply of nessecities to the people, as main dogmas.

There are streaks of this (the scandinavian or maybe canadian socialism, not the despotic Chavez sieze-fest) in the Dems' policies, but to call any one of the US democrats a socialist is like calling Coors Light a beer.

Yes, it is a beer, if the only thing you have to compare it to, is water.

 

[mellowgyrl]

I'm sorry Jenny but that article was pure BS. They are considered racist and separtist because they're proud of their culture and religion (unashamedly black and unapologetically christian)? Come on, now that's a stretch if I've ever read one. As far as the quote you put in your post that's just ridiculous. Because the choir wore Afrocentric robes they're in question? I'm not sure how many black churches you've been to but several pastors often use modern themes in order to relate the context of the scripture they are speaking on...but I guess that makes him a racist too. By the way...Gangsters Paradise was rapped by Coolio and not Tupac.

 

[logophile]

I'm not sure how many black churches you've been to but several pastors often use modern themes in order to relate the context of the scripture they are speaking on...but I guess that makes him a racist too.

Not weighing in on this debate, because it's grown out past the point of reason and honest debate into something else entirely. But I did want to comment on the quote above.

Using modern themes isn't unique to black churches. I went to a wedding way, way back in 1992 at an all-white Catholic church in an all-white parish in mostly white Des Moines, Ia. To underscore just how white this church was, I'll tell you that the bride was a beautiful latina and the congregation was actually a little surprised to be in the company of a person "of color."

The ancient priest who performed the ceremony did a sermon on marriage for the benefit of the young couple and their motley crew of friends from college. It was about seatbelts and marriage. Something about how when the seat belt law was passed in Iowa, many people felt constricted and regulated by the wearing of seat belts, but that eventually most people felt uncomfortable and anxious without them. He said that's how marriage is - constricting and regulating at first and then comfortable later on. It was the weakest sermon I've ever heard. And perhaps the longest. The priest was clearly reaching out to his congregants, trying to make a connection by using modern themes.

This is a common tactic, used with greater or lesser success by pastors, priests, philosphers, instructors, professors and even parents since the beginning of time. It does not make anyone a racist.

 

[sr71plt]

You want to explain to me why you think that all the blue states will suddenly turn red?

Because I don't care who the Democratic candidate is... certain groups and places simply will not be carried by a Repub and others by a Democrat.

As to your direct observation... I respect that each of us forms their own independent opinions. That's a good thing...

But if a dozen of us are looking at the ocean talking about how blue the water is and suddenly you walk up and talk about the lovely red waves, I don't understand why you find it so odd when the others question your vision...

Right. Some of the posters act like this is their first presidential election experience.

 

[Pure]

buchanan's reply to obama's speech.

http://buchanan.org/blog/?p=969

 

[Belegon]

http://buchanan.org/blog/?p=969

Same old hate filled drivel and pack of lies...

First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks.

Really? I think the UK and just about every other european country could refute that quite swiftly.

Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans.

Yeah, Jim Crow and the KKK and David Duke and FEMA... not to mention that slavery thing that we were one of the last to get rid of.. and segregation... oh man, we have been so christian and kind to those poor lil' backward darkies, taking them out of their dirt hovels and "giving" them christianity and morals. An dwe built places like Cabrini-Green for 'em too...

...and of course, they haven't given anything back. Arguably the greatest American gift to the culture of the world is jazz, which begat rock n' roll and so much else... and we all know that jazz was invented by WASP's like Mr. Buchanon...

Gee, Pat... wonder why you aren't allowing comments on your blog on this post?

 

[Roxanne Appleby]

Just for curiosity's sake, I'd like to hear one thing that Condi's done that's been successful. Her initiative with Iran was only undertaken after the Council of Elders released their report on Iraq which made her abandon her isolationist go-it-alone policies that had gotten this country in such deep and helpless shit that we had to call in Bush's father's advisers in the first place, and they had to remind her that diplomacy was the only way to save our ass in that misbegotten dumb-fuck war.

I was thinking of her scholarship more than her government career. Like most SOS's (including her predecessor) the really big calls are made by the prez. The few times I'm seen her making statements on a non-Iraq issue she was expressing a principled center-right point of view that also characterized her scholarship.

 

[dr_mabeuse]

Latest Gallup Poll

I heard at about 3:00 PM today (Monday, 3/24) on CNBC finds Obama's approval rating among dems at 46% versus Hillary's at 47%.

Is Obama done? I'd say the answer is no.

I think maybe most Americans know that expecting your pastor to be sane is like expecting the clown you hire to entertain at your kid's birthday party to be a sharp dresser.

 

[impressive]

I was thinking of her scholarship more than her government career.

Oooo! That's like Hillary's foreign policy experience!

 

[sr71plt]

I think maybe most Americans know that expecting your pastor to be sane is like expecting the clown you hire to entertain at your kid's birthday party to be a sharp dresser.

I don't think it's quite that simple. Unless you're Catholic, you can choose who your pastor/what your church are going to be. And it's a little over the top to claim that few pastors are sane, isn't it?

It's interesting how polarized most of the posters to this thread are--just zipping out to one of the margins and throwing common sense to the wind.

 

[Lee Chambers]

Because if there was one African-American I ever thought was a sure bet for President, it's Colin Powell. I still don't understand why the Republicans have never pushed him to run. Maybe there is a lot I don't know about the man... but my impression of him is overwhelmingly positive.

They did push him to run. A lot of people have. But he doesn't want to do it. Can't say I blame him, either. Like they say, the people who are smart enough to be in public office are smart enough to stay away from it.

 

[Roxanne Appleby]

It occurred to me that double standards regarding Obama's preacher vs McCain's preacher is the flip side of double standards regarding Dem vs Repub sex scandals.

Dems don't get into trouble over sex because they don't run sanctimonious "family value" campaigns; Republicans do and so get in trouble when they get caught with the proverbial live boy. It's a hypocricy rap.

McCain doesn't get in trouble over his preacher because people expect GOP preachers to be somewhat Neanderthal, and GOP candidates don't profess to the contrary. Obama does get in trouble over a pretty close association with a bitter, hate-filled afrocentric preacher because it seems to contradict everything he's wanted people to believe about him.

 

[logophile]

Dems don't get into trouble over sex because they don't run sanctimonious "family value" campaigns; Republicans do and so get in trouble when they get caught with the proverbial live boy. It's a hypocricy rap.

WHAT?? Dems don't get into trouble over sex??
Maybe we're watching different news.

 

[Boxlicker101]

You want to explain to me why you think that all the blue states will suddenly turn red?

Because I don't care who the Democratic candidate is... certain groups and places simply will not be carried by a Repub and others by a Democrat.

As to your direct observation... I respect that each of us forms their own independent opinions. That's a good thing...

But if a dozen of us are looking at the ocean talking about how blue the water is and suddenly you walk up and talk about the lovely red waves, I don't understand why you find it so odd when the others question your vision...

You probably remember the expression: "The solid South" which was a reference to all the southern startes voting Dem. This up until about 1960. Now, the South is more lkely to vote Rep., unless a southerner, like Carter, is running. I don't know if they would consider Hilary R. Clinton to be a southerner or not, since she was raised in IL.

What I am saying is that people change their minds. MA and VT and DC will probably always vote Dem. but other states are up for grabs.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I occurred to me that double standards regarding Obama's preacher vs McCain's preacher is the flip side of double standards regarding Dem vs Repub sex scandals.

Dems don't get into trouble over sex because they don't run sanctimonious "family value" campaigns; Republicans do and so get in trouble when they get caught with the proverbial live boy. It's a hypocricy rap.

McCain doesn't get in trouble over his preacher because people expect GOP preachers to be somewhat Neanderthal, and GOP candidates don't profess to the contrary. Obama does get in trouble over a pretty close association with a bitter, hate-filled afrocentric preacher because it seems to contradict everything he's wanted people to believe about him.

I'm not sure what you mean by "McCain's preacher". I hope you don't mean Hagee, because the sen. has never had much to do with him. The guy did offer an endorsement, but McCain wasn't all that hot to get it.

 

[Roxanne Appleby]

WHAT?? Dems don't get into trouble over sex??
Maybe we're watching different news.

Should I say, don't get held to the same standard by the media? Barney Frank vs. Minnesota bathroom boy, for example?

I'm not sure what you mean by "McCain's preacher". I hope you don't mean Hagee, because the sen. has never had much to do with him. The guy did offer an endorsement, but McCain wasn't all that hot to get it.

Oh yeah? Huh. I don't follow the day-to-day of this stuff very closely. (Really!) From some of the posts around here it sounded like he'd sat in the guys church for 20 years.

 

[cloudy]

I'm not sure what you mean by "McCain's preacher". I hope you don't mean Hagee, because the sen. has never had much to do with him. The guy did offer an endorsement, but McCain wasn't all that hot to get it.

You're kidding, right?

"...all I can tell you is that I am very proud to have Pastor John Hagee's support" sounds to me like McCain was "very hot to get it."

 

[Boxlicker101]

You're kidding, right?

"...all I can tell you is that I am very proud to have Pastor John Hagee's support" sounds to me like McCain was "very hot to get it."

When did he say that and what is the source for the quote?

 

[cloudy]

When did he say that and what is the source for the quote?

Please don't expect me to do your work for you. All you have to do is google McCain+Hagee, and you'll find all manner of sources.

Honestly, Box, you make so many "out there" comments that I wonder what, if any, news you read.

 

[espman]

Obama all the way............

Obama will beat Clinton. People may be concerned about Obama'a experience but they are more afraid of Clinton's honesty and the "the politics as usual".
Obama, although inexperienced, just like JFK was, offers a new opportunity. I sincerely believe that it is possible to change the way the congress runs this country and I believe he is the one to help do it. Remember how Newt got the public involved in the the republicans "contract with America"? I think Obama could get the public involved in demanding the congress break the politics as usual and start working to improve the country rather that the party. I think McCain could also do some of this but not to the degree that Obama seems able to bring people together. If you want the same old thing, including continuing the Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton by all means vote for Hillary. If you want an opportunity for change vote for Obama and become involved in the process.