Don't you agree?

Marquis

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I think that for certain narcissistic personality types, being agreed with is the pinnacle of satisfaction. The more ludicrous the premise, or the more difficult to concur with, the bigger the psychosexual payoff.

This is a game I play with my sub, called the "Don't you agree?" game. A fairly simple challenge that can be quite rewarding if executed properly. Here are the rules, as well as suggestions for getting it right.

The first thing, in my opinion, before beginning any kind of a session like this is to establish a realistic sense of control. Even for those of us in 24/7 relationships, this isn't always easy. No matter what anyone tells you or leads you to believe, no human being is any more submissive than any other. We just have different limits. Your sub will submit to you, there's no doubt about that. But you've got to really make her if you want it to be a meaningful experience for either of you.

My first suggestion on creating this state is to get the energy advantage immediately. When I can express more energy than my submissive, it allows me to control the emotions involved in the scene. Then I can alternate between punishment and reward to the keep the sub in a vulnerable, confused and docile state. Energy advantage can be achieved through sleep deprivation, bondage, movement restriction, eye restriction or other ways. Selectively applied intoxicants can also create a great energy deficit between you and your sub, but aren't safe and shouldn't be used by anyone.

It always helps to use some symbolic adornment. A collar, hat, whatever that says "you belong to me" won't offer you a physical advantage, but will add to the psychological advantage powerfully. Familiar items in particular will take some tension off and let things slide a little further by creating a nice atmosphere of consent.

Once the sub is incapacitated, you gotta put it all on the line. You have a fairness advantage, it is your mighty duty as a dominant to penetrate any token resistance the poor sub may offer up. Don't push past the point to which you are willing to track back and provide after care. Truthfully though, if you're not pushing it almost to where you really wanna punch the bitch, like knock her teeth out, you're basically a sub.

So, you make the sub say something that would be very (*very*) hard to admit to, or perhaps something they just disagreed with very (*very*) strongly. The idea being, that through the steps I'm about to offer you, you can get your sub to temporarily agree with everything. Permanence = maintenance.

Simple pimple, people.

Earlier this evening, when this was an evening, I decided my very own allegedly submissive girlfriend was being entirely too bratty, nasty, pouty and plain unsubmissive. It was time to lay down the heavy hand of Mastery.

I'm not going to tell you the phrase I used, but feel free to use your imagination. Phrases in the past have been, "I love being Daddy's pussy hunter," and "I need to be hurt to feel loved." The pattern goes like this:

1. Ask her to admit to/agree with something.

If she refuses, you didn't do the first part right. When she submits, notice that there will be discernible sarcasm.

2. Ask her to repeat it.

Continue each of these phases until you feel like you have reached a new level of submission.

3. Ask her to say it with sincerity, like she means it.

At this point, the sub will try and convince you she really does mean it, but the little bug inside which makes her misbehave won't stop tickling her naughty bits. Press on.

4. Ask her to say it, like this "..."

Like most BDSM games, this is a mirroring game that requires equal participation. Her ability to repeat it with heart bleeding sincerity is going to depend on your leadership in mouthing out the words for her, exactly as you want to hear them from her sweet little dicksuckers.

5. Just say the phrase.

She should be in tune with you enough now that she is getting closer and closer to saying it almost exactly like you are. Her empathy switches are all flipped and she is channeling your emotions with nary a delay. Move slowly and offer her both pain and comfort to keep her absolutely focused. Wait until she repeats it back to you with more sincere, passioned sincerity than you just said it to her.

6. Ask her to elaborate on the phrase. Use it as a clause in a longer sentence. Insist that the sentence speak positively about the phrase. Resistance is lower here. The atmosphere is now clinical.

7. Ask her to give a short speech, extolling the truth and virtue of the original phrase. Lighten up a bit. Smile. A little humor is fine, but keep the crop close by. Don't lose control in the last leg, just show her how well she's doing, and how pleased you are.

8. Question her. No need to interrogate, just confirm that she really means the statement as much as she now realizes that she does. When she confirms your suspicion, that you have done your job well, you will know that her natural defense mechanisms have allowed her to internalize something incredibly important to her lover, owner and master.

A proud master and a pleased slave are never far apart.
 
My favorite phrase in the world is "I can say it all day long, let's hear YOU say it..."
 
I had pretty much this whole thing when Master once asked me whether his cock was the biggest I'd ever experienced and I went quiet.

Well if he will ask stupid questions. :rolleyes:
 
This is a game I play with my sub, called the "Don't you agree?" game. A fairly simple challenge that can be quite rewarding if executed properly. Here are the rules, as well as suggestions for getting it right.

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Well, I do start to understand why vanilla people go the "Doms are guys with low self-esteem" way.
 
Ooooh - that sounds like a good game.

My bf and I are pretty "vanilla", but we're looking into exploring obedience themes. Meaning, he'd got to be obedient ;). I think a game like this looks like a good place to start (maybe minus the riding crop for now).

Any other good gateway games? I'd love to get some ideas.
 
I think that for certain narcissistic personality types, being agreed with is the pinnacle of satisfaction. The more ludicrous the premise, or the more difficult to concur with, the bigger the psychosexual payoff.

Awesome post

Also remove...

"something they are against" and insert...

"something they know you are against"

then solve for X.


I am a big fan of the no win situation especially when I can tell them how to disagree with me....
 
*Swoon* There's something wickedly hot about being made to agree with something you DONT agree with... and eventually meaning it. :rose:
 
Thanks for reading and enjoying, ladies and gents. I know it's a bit rambly, but I wrote it while I was still high off of the scene.

Ooooh - that sounds like a good game.

My bf and I are pretty "vanilla", but we're looking into exploring obedience themes. Meaning, he'd got to be obedient ;). I think a game like this looks like a good place to start (maybe minus the riding crop for now).

Any other good gateway games? I'd love to get some ideas.

Most of my games feature a riding crop in some form or another, but discipline games don't require it. For something easy, try playing fetch. Have him bring you a slipper in his mouth and throw it again when he does. You can throw it further or nearer, depending on how subby he's being. How pleased you are with his over the top doting of his mistress. Be genuine, make him keep trying until you are swooning.

Awesome post

Also remove...

"something they are against" and insert...

"something they know you are against"

then solve for X.


I am a big fan of the no win situation especially when I can tell them how to disagree with me....

This is a good one too!

Good show, RJ. I hope it doesn't make you uncomfortable if I tell you that I got a bit chub thinking about how to use this.

*Swoon* There's something wickedly hot about being made to agree with something you DONT agree with... and eventually meaning it. :rose:

Ah, after all these years, it still gives me a bit of a sugar rush to realize that for some women, subjugation = erotic.

What a fucking deal.
 
OMG. I don't think I could handle that! But then again, if i was in that situation and it was done properly how could I not handle it? I just can't seem to bring myself to "talking dirty" though so while I may be able to get to the stage of repeating what is said to me I think I'd clam up before I was able to elaborate. It does sound interesting though.

Having difficulty talking dirty is exactly what brought this game to life.

Shyness is adorable, it's true, but turning a shy girl into a trash mouthed cum gargling whore is good too. Saying filthy things with confidence doesn't come naturally to most.
 
Also with reference to the Humiliation / Respect Thred.

In addition to being a little shy when it come to talking dirty I would have other concerns. What if once I was lead to say them and afterwards was not only ashamed by what I'd agreed, but that the act of submissing in such a way was not appreciated.

If someone is able to dominate another is such a way is that it's then "game over. I've proven to myself that I can push her to it"..... or is the thought process more "She submitted to me and for that I value her"?

I can't speak for others, but I respond with the latter. It is a value increase for me.
 
Also with reference to the Humiliation / Respect Thred.

In addition to being a little shy when it come to talking dirty I would have other concerns. What if once I was lead to say them and afterwards was not only ashamed by what I'd agreed, but that the act of submissing in such a way was not appreciated.

If someone is able to dominate another is such a way is that it's then "game over. I've proven to myself that I can push her to it"..... or is the thought process more "She submitted to me and for that I value her"?

The bit in bold^... kinda just adds to the ongoing mindfuck and excitement afterwards (for me). :cool:
 
This is a good one too! Good show, RJ. I hope it doesn't make you uncomfortable if I tell you that I got a bit chub thinking about how to use this.

Nice to know I am contributing to your blood pressure, I was pretty stoked myself identifying with what you presented.

My twist often happens more impromptu than anything else, such as a bratty or just plain humorious moment appears presenting the perfect springboard. usually happens when something is said with their lips before their minds had a chance to engage and think it through. Taking the literal of what is said and forcing that as the position does quite a bit for my blood pressure. Like you said, the sillier or more absurd the position, the bigger the pay off can be.

One of the great things which I have noticed as well is that if the scene goes as planned, mentioning a signle word even months later is enough to trigger an intense mental snap to happen follwed by a blush of embarassment and shame and of course Niagara falls.

"Don't you agree?" otherwise known as aka "What's my name?" ;)
 
Nice to know I am contributing to your blood pressure, I was pretty stoked myself identifying with what you presented.

My twist often happens more impromptu than anything else, such as a bratty or just plain humorious moment appears presenting the perfect springboard. usually happens when something is said with their lips before their minds had a chance to engage and think it through. Taking the literal of what is said and forcing that as the position does quite a bit for my blood pressure. Like you said, the sillier or more absurd the position, the bigger the pay off can be.

One of the great things which I have noticed as well is that if the scene goes as planned, mentioning a signle word even months later is enough to trigger an intense mental snap to happen follwed by a blush of embarassment and shame and of course Niagara falls.

"Don't you agree?" otherwise known as aka "What's my name?" ;)

It all comes down to making 'em say "uncle" don't it? ;)

I love this sentence:

"Taking the literal of what is said and forcing that as the position does quite a bit for my blood pressure. "

and mine. Cheap tricks like this are the only defense we have against the emotional onslaught that is woman.

It's fantastic to have you back, RJ.
 
Also with reference to the Humiliation / Respect Thred.

In addition to being a little shy when it come to talking dirty I would have other concerns. What if once I was lead to say them and afterwards was not only ashamed by what I'd agreed, but that the act of submissing in such a way was not appreciated.

If someone is able to dominate another is such a way is that it's then "game over. I've proven to myself that I can push her to it"..... or is the thought process more "She submitted to me and for that I value her"?

I can't speak for others, but I respond with the latter. It is a value increase for me.

I would say that it can be a value increase and could also be a value decrease. The truth is, I tend to think that women (of which I'm generally referring to subby women when i say that (Netz, do I need to say this every time)) are more preoccupied with their value to their partner than their men are.

That is to say, judge his value for you based on what he offers you as a partner, not based on your own "performance."

This is confusing, even to me.

Put it this way, when the game was over I wasn't thinking either "game over" or "I value her submission". I was thinking "woah, cool. I wonder what else I can get her to do." and "Damn, I'm a fucking gangster."

The bit in bold^... kinda just adds to the ongoing mindfuck and excitement afterwards (for me). :cool:

Agreed.

Of course Perfect Trust. I didn't mean the feelings would be bad as much as I would worry about the response of whoevere had lead you there.

What would be worse (or better I mean), than not only being ashamed of the words you said out loud, but also having to admit to yourself with the clarity of hindsight that they were true!

*Now I don't know if I'm blushing in shame or excitement!*

Ha ha, you like this.

I'm glad. I want to start sharing more on lit, but I've gotten shy. I'm getting over it.
 
What would be worse (or better I mean), than not only being ashamed of the words you said out loud, but also having to admit to yourself with the clarity of hindsight that they were true!

*Now I don't know if I'm blushing in shame or excitement!*

As one of the shy ones when it comes to talking dirty, I truly appreciate this concept. I've lived in my head for so long that I find it awkward at first to say what I want, what I like, or what I can imagine. It takes someone getting into my head and delving around in my psyche as their own little playground. But then isn't that the whole point of a mind fuck? (As for me, all blushing can be contributed to excitement at the all of the possibilities!)

Marquis, I am again impressed at how your mind works. Any chance you are working on a top secret mind cloning experiment? I've been sorely neglected in the mind fuck department. ;)
 
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