LoL: "Why I am no longer a 'Brain-Dead Liberal'"

He's finally gotten to where I've been for decades. And I'm a 60's kid, too. Gawd, that was a stupid decade!
 
David Mamet mugged by reality? Fascinating. He's not become a conservative, though, but an independent discoverer of Hayek's "spontaneous order," and a classical liberal. He'll be more comfortable when he figures that out.

Key excerpts from a long-ish piece

"The conservative in the piece holds that people are each out to make a living, and the best way for government to facilitate that is to stay out of the way, as the inevitable abuses and failures of this system (free-market economics) are less than those of government intervention.

"I took the liberal view for many decades, but I believe I have changed my mind.

"(T)he synthesis of this (liberal) worldview with which I now found myself disenchanted (is) that everything is always wrong.

"But in my life, a brief review revealed, everything was not always wrong, and neither was nor is always wrong in the community in which I live, or in my country. Further, it was not always wrong in previous communities in which I lived, and among the various and mobile classes of which I was at various times a part. And, I wondered, how could I have spent decades thinking that I thought everything was always wrong at the same time that I thought I thought that people were basically good at heart?

" . . . The Constitution, written by men with some experience of actual government, assumes that the chief executive will work to be king, the Parliament will scheme to sell off the silverware, and the judiciary will consider itself Olympian and do everything it can to much improve (destroy) the work of the other two branches. So the Constitution pits them against each other, in the attempt not to achieve stasis, but rather to allow for the constant corrections necessary to prevent one branch from getting too much power for too long.

"Rather brilliant. For, in the abstract, we may envision an Olympian perfection of perfect beings in Washington doing the business of their employers, the people, but any of us who has ever been at a zoning meeting with our property at stake is aware of the urge to cut through all the pernicious bullshit and go straight to firearms.

". . . And I began to question my hatred for "the Corporations"—the hatred of which, I found, was but the flip side of my hunger for those goods and services they provide and without which we could not live.

". . . What about the role of government? Well, in the abstract, coming from my time and background, I thought it was a rather good thing, but tallying up the ledger in those things which affect me and in those things I observe, I am hard-pressed to see an instance where the intervention of the government led to much beyond sorrow.

"But if the government is not to intervene, how will we, mere human beings, work it all out? I wondered and read, and it occurred to me that I knew the answer, and here it is: We just seem to. How do I know? From experience. Strand unacquainted bus travelers in the middle of the night, and what do you get? A lot of bad drama, and a shake-and-bake Mayflower Compact. Each, instantly, adds what he or she can to the solution. Why? Each wants, and in fact needs, to contribute—to throw into the pot what gifts each has in order to achieve the overall goal, as well as status in the new-formed community. And so they work it out.

" . . . I recognized that I held those two views of America (politics, government, corporations, the military). One was of a state where everything was magically wrong and must be immediately corrected at any cost; and the other—the world in which I actually functioned day to day—was made up of people, most of whom were reasonably trying to maximize their comfort by getting along with each other (in the workplace, the marketplace, the jury room, on the freeway, even at the school-board meeting).

"And I realized that the time had come for me to avow my participation in that America in which I chose to live, and that that country was not a schoolroom teaching values, but a marketplace."
 
Truly an interesting read, and yet I disagree with him on many points. Then again I disagree with anyone who wishes to plug another into a convenient pigeonhole of either Liberal or Conservative.

Some here have called me a Brain Dead Liberal, and in some circumstances have been correct. Others here have called me a stone Conservative because of some of my views and in some circumstances they too have been correct. So what am I? Maybe I should be called a Conservative Liberal or maybe a Liberal Conservative. Ah now I have a better idea. Why not just call me an American?

Cat
 
Truly an interesting read, and yet I disagree with him on many points. Then again I disagree with anyone who wishes to plug another into a convenient pigeonhole of either Liberal or Conservative.

Some here have called me a Brain Dead Liberal, and in some circumstances have been correct. Others here have called me a stone Conservative because of some of my views and in some circumstances they too have been correct. So what am I? Maybe I should be called a Conservative Liberal or maybe a Liberal Conservative. Ah now I have a better idea. Why not just call me an American?

Cat
You are discovering one of the truths. The press give all the coverage to the 10% on the far left and the 10% on the far right. There is no voice for the 80 that are really moderate. Colin Powell said he thought most Americans are financially conservative (unlike all of congress) somewhat liberal on social issues. I think he was right.
 
Truly an interesting read, and yet I disagree with him on many points. Then again I disagree with anyone who wishes to plug another into a convenient pigeonhole of either Liberal or Conservative.

Some here have called me a Brain Dead Liberal, and in some circumstances have been correct. Others here have called me a stone Conservative because of some of my views and in some circumstances they too have been correct. So what am I? Maybe I should be called a Conservative Liberal or maybe a Liberal Conservative. Ah now I have a better idea. Why not just call me an American?

Cat
Thus my comments about classical liberal and Hayekian spontaneous order. As your post indicates, our political vocabulary is impoverished, and absurdly gives the same false label to people like me and neanderthal Bible thumpers like Jerry Falwell.

What are you? Possibly also something like a classical liberal, or a Hayekian, or maybe a bit of a Burkeian conservative. These are rich, multi-layered, nuanced and deep intellectual positions, with thoughful insights enough to provide a lifetime of reflection. Compared to the trite and meaningless "conservative" label.
 
You are discovering one of the truths. The press give all the coverage to the 10% on the far left and the 10% on the far right. There is no voice for the 80 that are really moderate. Colin Powell said he thought most Americans are financially conservative (unlike all of congress) somewhat liberal on social issues. I think he was right.

See my previous note also responding to SeaCat, DP. Your post also points to the impoverished political/ideological vocabulary that's been foisted on us. "Moderate" is just as meaningless and undescriptive as "conservative" - we can do better.
 
The terms Liberal and Conservative are, in American usage, as completely meaningless as Left and Right. A better position is one put forth by a more Libertarian attitude. There are Centrists (people who think you need them to tell you what to do) and Periferalists (people who think no one ought to tell them to do anything at any time). Basically we can call the extreme Centrist a Totalitarian and the extreme periferalist an Anarchist. Few of us would be happy at either end of this spectrum. I believe that I tend more towards the perifery. There's just one Hell of a lot of stuff that is none of the government's damned business. On the other hand, when my neighbor is throwing a mega-amplified rock party at two in the morning, society as a whole is benefited more by my calling the Sheriff's Office than by my unlimbering the family fowling piece and expressing my displeasure directly.

His position that the country works so long as all three branches are in tension is correct. That was the original design, though the Supreme Court's current role of defender of the Constitution actually isn't in the document but results from the landmark Marberry vs Madison. No matter. So long as one party holds one house of the Congress or the White House, the rest of us are safer than under a mono-party rule. Long let there be gridlock!
 
Question for Cat: Set the labels aside - Is there a single sustantive point on which you disagree with Mamet?
 
This essay is quite amusing, filled with personal baggage, yet some interesting observations and catagorizations by a Jewish writer/playwright/long-time, self-proclaimed liberal. Care to comment/interpret/refute/vent?
I didn't read the whole thing, but I take it this long-assed article is just this guy saying that he now regards the issues independently and doesn't follow some blanket maximum of this or that particular group?

Yawn. Been there, done that and what a revelation (not!).

Tell me. If this had been a long-assed article titled "No longer a Brain-Dead conservative" would you have directed us to it and asked us to comment/interpret/refute/vent...because the only thing I'd be inclined to vent about is if you maybe feel that those who disagree with certain views here are marching lock-step with extreme liberals and need a wake-up call. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that's not the case, but it does look a little suspicious. As if those of us who have disagreements with certain points of view were marching in lockstep with Marxists. I presume you know that's no more true than any disagreeing with other points of view are marching lock-step with the neo-cons and evangelicals.
 
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Stupid? Really?

And I'm a 60's kid, too. Gawd, that was a stupid decade!
Yeah, all those black folk marching for equal rights and facing down fire hoses and dogs, and getting lynched because they were trying to send their kids to white schools--stupid! They should have just let the Jim Crowe laws stand. I'm so embarassed when I see films of Civil Rights marchers being blasted by firehoses and bitten by dogs. They really could have avoided all that. And all those women demanding equal pay and equal treatment with men! Incredibly silly. I mean wanting to get the same pay for the same work? What were they thinking? I wish they'd left well enough alone. And, oh, let's not forget the gays! Stonewall there where they demanded that they be treated as human beings and have the right to have sex without being thrown in jail or lobotomized. Sooooo embarrassingly stupid! Gosh. Thinking about it, there really was a lot of stupidity we could have done with out. Like the Beatles, and Martin Luther King, jr., and Mohammad Ali, and Lord of the Rings.

Stupidest of all? Had to be the Free Speech movement! Wanting to say "fuck," to tell dirty jokes, to read dirty stories without being arrested! Could anything be stupider than that?

My not so subtle point being--that was a really thoughtless thing to say. Pick a decade, any decade that we know something about, and I promise you that no matter which one you pick, I can prove to you that for all it's accomplishments, it was as stupid, or stupider than the 60's. All decades have their stupidities. But to single out the 60's as "stupid" here on an Erotica forum :eek: If not for the 60's, you wouldn't be legally able to be here writing and reading these stories. The first step in getting us here started in that "stupid" decade with that Free Speech movement and the people who went to jail for our right to say dirty word, tell dirty jokes, and read dirty stories without being arrested.

Where there stupidities in the 60's? Duh. But like I said, what decade doesn't have them? There were also the most amazing changes and accomplishments, ones that we're all very, very, very lucky took place. And I say that as someone who wouldn't erase the "stupidity" of walking on the moon for anything.
 
No more than Brain Dead Conservative. ;)

Indeed. From the WSJ on Buckley's death:

'In a 2005 interview he noted that "I think conservatism has become a little bit slothful." In private, his contempt was more acute. Part of it, he believed, was that what used to be living ideas had become mummified doctrines to many in the conservative political class.'

I know more than a few conservatives who thoughtlessly parrot mummified doctrines and dogma. None of these have a clue about the rich currents of philosophical thought flowing through classical liberalism, or a Hayek's writings, or the school of Burkeian conservative (which our beloved Colly belonged to, although she never called herself this).
 
I didn't read the whole thing, but I take it this long-assed article is just this guy saying that he now regards the issues independently and doesn't follow some blanket maximum of this or that particular group?

Yawn. Been there, done that and what a revelation (not!).

Tell me. If this had been a long-assed article titled "No longer a Brain-Dead conservative" would you have directed us to it and asked us to comment/interpret/refute/vent...because the only thing I'd be inclined to vent about is if you maybe feel that those who disagree with certain views here are marching lock-step with extreme liberals and need a wake-up call. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that's not the case, but it does look a little suspicious. As if those of us who have disagreements with certain points of view were marching in lockstep with Marxists. I presume you know that's no more true than any disagreeing with other points of view are marching lock-step with the neo-cons and evangelicals.

Same question for you that I asked Cat, 3: Is there any substantive point in the Mamet piece that you actually disagree with? (I request that you finish it - which is easy because it's so lively - and read it with an open but critical mind.)

I'll answer your question, although is wasn't directed to me: In my previous post in this thread I flipped a bird at thoughtless, "brain dead" conservatives. I run across them all the time and they embarass me (not because I'm a "conservative," but because they are so thoughtless). Per my previous posts these shallow labels suck because they do things like group Milton Friedman under the same label as Huckleby, and put you in the Marxist camp.
 
I didn't read the whole thing, but I take it this long-assed article is just this guy saying that he now regards the issues independently and doesn't follow some blanket maximum of this or that particular group?

Yawn. Been there, done that and what a revelation (not!).

Tell me. If this had been a long-assed article titled "No longer a Brain-Dead conservative" would you have directed us to it and asked us to comment/interpret/refute/vent...because the only thing I'd be inclined to vent about is if you maybe feel that those who disagree with certain views here are marching lock-step with extreme liberals and need a wake-up call. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that's not the case, but it does look a little suspicious. As if those of us who have disagreements with certain points of view were marching in lockstep with Marxists. I presume you know that's no more true than any disagreeing with other points of view are marching lock-step with the neo-cons and evangelicals.

Whoa, lady! Stop shadowboxing. Do I really need long disclaimers to post anything political? Do you want a solid idea of which "camp" I'm in so you can form opinions and categorize me? That's certainly what you imply in all your assumptions.

I have read a ton of your posts, and assuming someone else is not using your account, I know you are better than this. I meant exactly what I said (which wasn't much, sure, but it wasn't my turn on the soap box). I don't "line up" with any camp for very long, so by our narrow, American definitions, that makes me a staunch independent. Most of my views are based on my experience as well as my studies (have a degree in Political Science, btw, with a heavy emphasis on philosophy, but that was mainly so it didn't take me more than 5 years to graduate). Don't try to pigeon-hole me, or I will be forced to revise my estimate of you for the worse.

ETA: You disappointed me enough that I forgot to answer your simplest question about if I'd post, in all fairness/balance, a similar post about conservatives, and the answer is: hell yeah! If it was just as interesting, it'd most likely generate even more fascinating opinions/discussions here.
 
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I don't "line up" with any camp for very long, so by our narrow, American definitions, that makes me a staunch independent.
By "camp" you presumably mean political party or candidate. Like most of us you probably don't "line up" with any candidate, but choose the lesser of two evils, meaning the one that tramples the least upon the principles which follow from your worldview, or ideology, which is generally a function of your view of human nature.

In an otherwise clumsy passage Mamet correctly identifies two views of the human nature, the "tragic" and the "perfectionist." He's discovered that unlike the perfectionist conceits of the 1960s that he thought he believed in, he actually shares the "tragic" view held by America's founders - "If men were angels no government would be necessary." He also has disovered their wisdom that un-angelic men populate government, so we darn well better keep its tailfeathers clipped.

I suspect that many on the left "secretly" hold that "tragic" view (hiding it mostly from themselves), and yet because they have not grasped the implications of "non-angelic" men running the government, their political views contradict their worldview. Like Mamet, before his awakening.
 
What bothers me, and I suspect would worry most of us, is that elections are swayed by people who haven't thought at all about who or what they are voting for.

There are those who will always vote for one party no matter who the candidate is, matched by those who vote for the other party whatever their candidate. No thought necessary.

There are those who vote because they believe one party will be better for them personally.

There are a few who vote because they believe one party will be better for the country.

There are an even small group who consider the issues and vote according to their assessment of the parties' policies.

There are those who just vote on impulse on election day.

And last but definitely not least - there are those who don't vote at all. They can blame the guvmint whatever happens.

How many of our voters are worth the blood given by a single serviceman in World War II who fought for our freedoms?

Og
 
I'm not sure that accepting the status quo (however dynamic it may be) is not really an epiphany of any kind.

Given the several and varied realisations he seems to now believe that; this is how it is, so this is how it should be, which is never a good thing and is the one thing that both sides of politics can agree on. (except the Conservatives obviously [note the capital])

Even dyed in the wool communists realise that before resolution there has to be struggle and it will more than likely be endless given that society is made up of people.
 
What bothers me, and I suspect would worry most of us, is that elections are swayed by people who haven't thought at all about who or what they are voting for.

There are those who will always vote for one party no matter who the candidate is, matched by those who vote for the other party whatever their candidate. No thought necessary.

There are those who vote because they believe one party will be better for them personally.

There are a few who vote because they believe one party will be better for the country.

There are an even small group who consider the issues and vote according to their assessment of the parties' policies.

There are those who just vote on impulse on election day.

And last but definitely not least - there are those who don't vote at all. They can blame the guvmint whatever happens.

How many of our voters are worth the blood given by a single serviceman in World War II who fought for our freedoms?

Og
Many vote on the basis of disconnected biases and conflicting desires, unguided by any notion of what government should and should not be asked to do and provide. The cognitive dissonance is often stunning: "I want the government make people use less energy, and also to force the electric company to lower my rates."

Never mind asking for a scintilla of reflection about a principle highlighted by a key passage of the Mamet piece:

"For, in the abstract, we may envision an Olympian perfection of perfect beings in Washington doing the business of their employers, the people, but any of us who has ever been at a zoning meeting with our property at stake is aware of the urge to cut through all the pernicious bullshit and go straight to firearms."

Or to put it less colorfully, if men were angels no government would be necessary - but beware the reality that non-angelic men are the ones who wield government power.
 
By "camp" you presumably mean political party or candidate. Like most of us you probably don't "line up" with any candidate, but choose the lesser of two evils, meaning the one that tramples the least upon the principles which follow from your worldview, or ideology, which is generally a function of your view of human nature.

In an otherwise clumsy passage Mamet correctly identifies two views of the human nature, the "tragic" and the "perfectionist." He's discovered that unlike the perfectionist conceits of the 1960s that he thought he believed in, he actually shares the "tragic" view held by America's founders - "If men were angels no government would be necessary." He also has disovered their wisdom that un-angelic men populate government, so we darn well better keep its tailfeathers clipped.

I suspect that many on the left "secretly" hold that "tragic" view (hiding it mostly from themselves), and yet because they have not grasped the implications of "non-angelic" men running the government, their political views contradict their worldview. Like Mamet, before his awakening.

By "camp" I mean the "public string of political beliefs" that help label someone. Even if I don't always agree with you, Rox (not sure I do very often, since I have lots of anti-libertarian leanings in that I find the belief set incredibly irresponsible and unrealistic, and much of what you posit takes that form), I always enjoy how you "converse." You are well-spoken (and when you aren't, you always act to remedy that) and polite as possible, even when you are stubbornly wrong. :D

I know you did not ask me about the essay, but since I posted this gem, I'd like to respond since so few are.

In general, he gets several things completely wrong, or he makes erroneous generalizations. Of course, most of politics does this, as it's trying to address the entire picture (which is a serious challenge). Lumping people into camps by their tragic or utopian roots is false, and tends to leave out people like me, who are both idealists and cynics. There are many types of people who would not fit this, and since it's pretty much his philosophical basis, the rest of his conclusions are off.

Another general comment is that I am certain he wrote this entire piece to advertise his new play--clever, but disingenuous, and it leads him to be more wild/combative in his claims (and he spends far too much time tooting his own horn in laying the foundation of the meat of the piece). I can make this point: that he has incentive to deal further in absolutes than is wise/realistic.

He said: "...a disputation between reason and faith, or perhaps between the conservative (or tragic) view and the liberal (or perfectionist) view. The conservative president in the piece holds that people are each out to make a living, and the best way for government to facilitate that is to stay out of the way, as the inevitable abuses and failures of this system (free-market economics) are less than those of government intervention."

Comparing "reason" and "faith" to the political ideologies is the first cheap shot in this piece, and it shows his bias, which taints the second half of this quote. The blanket assumption that free markets and individualism are better than governments is about as unreasonable as you can get. The view ignores the nature of people (biology) and very pointed histories of several cultures. Biology dictates that "might makes right." You see this in most lower life forms, including humans.

For example, the new third world area created by Katrina had entire sections where gangs were taking over. They were creating warlords and beginning to expand, threatening businesses and shooting a few people. The people cried for help from their government, and the bigger bullies came in and wiped out some of the gang members to calm their ambitions. I doubt the people who still wanted to live in modern society were unhappy about that government intervention.*

Anyway, human history has been about people banding together for protection, and much of the ugliness/abuse came from this biological nastiness (and the power abuse, which is just a flavor of might-makes-right). It wasn't until philosophers became lawmakers (in the first instance by coalescing the concept of law) that things changed for the better. In most instances, these upholders-of-law (governments) were far better than the anarchistic alternatives; even at their worst, they seemed no worse (ie, they did the same thing--abuse the common people).

I contend that no one can be a student of history and reason and be able to claim that "the less government, the better." In those cases, paranoia/dysfunction trumps reason.

He said: "As a child of the '60s, I accepted as an article of faith that government is corrupt, that business is exploitative, and that people are generally good at heart."

He had the first two views right, and was illogical in his third. It makes no sense that if people are generally good, their representatives would all be sleazeballs by poor luck, and that the wealthy would be the only scum. Many of the wealthy started as a "common" person, as did many of the elected. So, basically, this slow learner basically learned that people are mostly self-interested bastards. But at the same time, he seems to conveniently forget that businesses are top-heavy with the wealthy, self-interested bastards. Both of those types are also dangerously shortsighted, and only when one starts dwelling on the common welfare does one have the chance to drop that shortsighted failing.

For much of this, he's only unlearning his social religion, but that's pretty irrelevent when discussing government styles. (Much of his "jumping to conclusions" sounds like a knee-jerk reaction, but he's probably doing it for the reasons I stated: to stir up shit and hype his play.)

He said: "I'd observed that lust, greed, envy, sloth, and their pals are giving the world a good run for its money, but that nonetheless, people in general seem to get from day to day; and that we in the United States get from day to day under rather wonderful and privileged circumstances..."

What Sherlock is noticing here is called "culture." We don't "get from day to day" because we have a tragic or idealistic view, but because of our survival instinct (silly biology again) and the mesh of our culture (religious beliefs, historical examples, environment, etc--a seriously complex beast).

He said: "...individuals living under a spectacularly effective compact called the Constitution, and lucky to get it."

Amen. Except that it no longer works as intended. Oops. Lifetime politicians were never intended--they were supposed be forced away from their real job for long enough to serve their country (similar to the military service concept), then go back to their real jobs. One of the first "don't do's" of the Constitution is that there will be no royalty--wtf do you think a lifetime politician is? Make no mistake: Hillary wants to be your queen.

Also, our valued checks and balances don't work as advertised (I wonder if they ever did). They were put in place to counter-balance each other, not share power. Much of the antagonism we see now is for show. As the US has grown, much of the idealism has been squeezed out of the government, and neither dominating party is foolish enough to be anything but self-interested.

He said: "...but that an impartial review revealed that the faults of this president—whom I, a good liberal, considered a monster—were little different from those of a president whom I revered."

Note this doesn't mean the contemporary isn't a monster, just that this guy is learning more reality about those lifelong politicians. His comparisons between the two (Bush and JFK) are very amusing.

His last major point that proves he's still brain-dead: "What about the role of government? Well, in the abstract, coming from my time and background, I thought it was a rather good thing, but tallying up the ledger in those things which affect me and in those things I observe, I am hard-pressed to see an instance where the intervention of the government led to much beyond sorrow.

"But if the government is not to intervene, how will we, mere human beings, work it all out?

"I wondered and read, and it occurred to me that I knew the answer, and here it is: We just seem to. How do I know? From experience."

Wow, this guy has all the answers from his narrow experience that "things just seem to work themselves out" as to why the government should just stay out of people's way. How profound. In the process, he does not compare his life to one with no government, and he completely takes for granted everything that historic governments have worked on our culture.

Writing comedic plays may be his forte, but writing about politics isn't. However, it was amusing, all the same.



*I doubt you will find any news on this, as it was pretty much local, appreciated, and off-record. I know someone who heard several locals talk about it while visiting relatives and friends.
 
By "camp" I mean the "public string of political beliefs" that help label someone. Even if I don't always agree with you, Rox (not sure I do very often, since I have lots of anti-libertarian leanings in that I find the belief set incredibly irresponsible and unrealistic, and much of what you posit takes that form), I always enjoy how you "converse." You are well-spoken (and when you aren't, you always act to remedy that) and polite as possible, even when you are stubbornly wrong. :D

I know you did not ask me about the essay, but since I posted this gem, I'd like to respond since so few are.

In general, he gets several things completely wrong, or he makes erroneous generalizations. Of course, most of politics does this, as it's trying to address the entire picture (which is a serious challenge). Lumping people into camps by their tragic or utopian roots is false, and tends to leave out people like me, who are both idealists and cynics. There are many types of people who would not fit this, and since it's pretty much his philosophical basis, the rest of his conclusions are off.

Another general comment is that I am certain he wrote this entire piece to advertise his new play--clever, but disingenuous, and it leads him to be more wild/combative in his claims (and he spends far too much time tooting his own horn in laying the foundation of the meat of the piece). I can make this point: that he has incentive to deal further in absolutes than is wise/realistic.

He said: "...a disputation between reason and faith, or perhaps between the conservative (or tragic) view and the liberal (or perfectionist) view. The conservative president in the piece holds that people are each out to make a living, and the best way for government to facilitate that is to stay out of the way, as the inevitable abuses and failures of this system (free-market economics) are less than those of government intervention."

Comparing "reason" and "faith" to the political ideologies is the first cheap shot in this piece, and it shows his bias, which taints the second half of this quote. The blanket assumption that free markets and individualism are better than governments is about as unreasonable as you can get. The view ignores the nature of people (biology) and very pointed histories of several cultures. Biology dictates that "might makes right." You see this in most lower life forms, including humans.

For example, the new third world area created by Katrina had entire sections where gangs were taking over. They were creating warlords and beginning to expand, threatening businesses and shooting a few people. The people cried for help from their government, and the bigger bullies came in and wiped out some of the gang members to calm their ambitions. I doubt the people who still wanted to live in modern society were unhappy about that government intervention.*

Anyway, human history has been about people banding together for protection, and much of the ugliness/abuse came from this biological nastiness (and the power abuse, which is just a flavor of might-makes-right). It wasn't until philosophers became lawmakers (in the first instance by coalescing the concept of law) that things changed for the better. In most instances, these upholders-of-law (governments) were far better than the anarchistic alternatives; even at their worst, they seemed no worse (ie, they did the same thing--abuse the common people).

I contend that no one can be a student of history and reason and be able to claim that "the less government, the better." In those cases, paranoia/dysfunction trumps reason.

He said: "As a child of the '60s, I accepted as an article of faith that government is corrupt, that business is exploitative, and that people are generally good at heart."

He had the first two views right, and was illogical in his third. It makes no sense that if people are generally good, their representatives would all be sleazeballs by poor luck, and that the wealthy would be the only scum. Many of the wealthy started as a "common" person, as did many of the elected. So, basically, this slow learner basically learned that people are mostly self-interested bastards. But at the same time, he seems to conveniently forget that businesses are top-heavy with the wealthy, self-interested bastards. Both of those types are also dangerously shortsighted, and only when one starts dwelling on the common welfare does one have the chance to drop that shortsighted failing.

For much of this, he's only unlearning his social religion, but that's pretty irrelevent when discussing government styles. (Much of his "jumping to conclusions" sounds like a knee-jerk reaction, but he's probably doing it for the reasons I stated: to stir up shit and hype his play.)

He said: "I'd observed that lust, greed, envy, sloth, and their pals are giving the world a good run for its money, but that nonetheless, people in general seem to get from day to day; and that we in the United States get from day to day under rather wonderful and privileged circumstances..."

What Sherlock is noticing here is called "culture." We don't "get from day to day" because we have a tragic or idealistic view, but because of our survival instinct (silly biology again) and the mesh of our culture (religious beliefs, historical examples, environment, etc--a seriously complex beast).

He said: "...individuals living under a spectacularly effective compact called the Constitution, and lucky to get it."

Amen. Except that it no longer works as intended. Oops. Lifetime politicians were never intended--they were supposed be forced away from their real job for long enough to serve their country (similar to the military service concept), then go back to their real jobs. One of the first "don't do's" of the Constitution is that there will be no royalty--wtf do you think a lifetime politician is? Make no mistake: Hillary wants to be your queen.

Also, our valued checks and balances don't work as advertised (I wonder if they ever did). They were put in place to counter-balance each other, not share power. Much of the antagonism we see now is for show. As the US has grown, much of the idealism has been squeezed out of the government, and neither dominating party is foolish enough to be anything but self-interested.

He said: "...but that an impartial review revealed that the faults of this president—whom I, a good liberal, considered a monster—were little different from those of a president whom I revered."

Note this doesn't mean the contemporary isn't a monster, just that this guy is learning more reality about those lifelong politicians. His comparisons between the two (Bush and JFK) are very amusing.

His last major point that proves he's still brain-dead: "What about the role of government? Well, in the abstract, coming from my time and background, I thought it was a rather good thing, but tallying up the ledger in those things which affect me and in those things I observe, I am hard-pressed to see an instance where the intervention of the government led to much beyond sorrow.

"But if the government is not to intervene, how will we, mere human beings, work it all out?

"I wondered and read, and it occurred to me that I knew the answer, and here it is: We just seem to. How do I know? From experience."

Wow, this guy has all the answers from his narrow experience that "things just seem to work themselves out" as to why the government should just stay out of people's way. How profound. In the process, he does not compare his life to one with no government, and he completely takes for granted everything that historic governments have worked on our culture.

Writing comedic plays may be his forte, but writing about politics isn't. However, it was amusing, all the same.



*I doubt you will find any news on this, as it was pretty much local, appreciated, and off-record. I know someone who heard several locals talk about it while visiting relatives and friends.
Since you take some pretty ungentle shots at me, I'll return the favor: Your post is filled with non-sequitors, errors in fact, and other flaws that politeness prevents me from giving the term for. I'll cite just one:

'Comparing "reason" and "faith" to the political ideologies is the first cheap shot in this piece, and it shows his bias . . .'

This is not a "cheap shot" - it's the traditional shorthand labels for the two sides in a philosophical tug-of-war that goes right back to Plato vs. Aristotle. The two sides are seen in sharp contrast in what is perhaps the seminal political philosophy dispute of the modern era, Edmund Burke (faith, and the dangers of tearing down "organic," richly interwoven social institutions) vs. the French Revolution (using reason to create a 'proto-version' of the perfected "new socialist man" and society).

A different version of the same conflict is seen in the views of Rousseau (man is basically good, and is perfectable if the malign influences of society are removed) vs. the view of human nature that motivated the U.S. founders (man is a mixed bag - as Mamet says, "a confection of greedy, lustful, duplicitous, corrupt, inspired" combined with "reasonably trying to maximize their comfort by getting along with each other").

The French Revolution, Rousseau, Marx, the "flower children" of the 1960s, all held the "perfectionist" view, the side of "reason" in this particular dichotomy, or perhaps more appropriately the "romantic" view, to cite another label. Burke, Hayek, Adam Smith, the American founders represent the other side, "the tragic view." (I think a more accurate label would be the "mixed bag" view. Machiavelli and Hobbes are the real tragedians, holding that man is just plain evil, so an all-powerful prince is needed to keep them in line.)

I rambled a bit, but you get the picture. Mamet is "self taught" in political philosophy so the vocabulary he uses to describe many things is clumsy and stilted in places, but for all that he generally makes his meaning quite clear.

I'll make one more point: Mamet makes some amazingly insightful observations about the phenomenon of spontaneous order that frankly go right over your head. In all sincerity, I suggest that you read up a bit on this fascinating thing - wiki has pretty good article - and also read up about it's best known explicator, Friedrich Hayek. In the end you may choose to dissent with all or part of this very sophisticated interpretation of human action and interaction, but you should at least know what it's about.

Looking at some of the responses posted in the Voice - and your response as well - reminds me of John Kenneth Galbraith's "broken clock moment" - the one time he happened to be right: "In the choice between changing one's mind and proving there's no need to do so, most people get busy on the proof." I'm no more immune to that bad habit than anyone, but in this instance it's Mamet who's beaten the habit, and his detractors who have "got busy" (proving there's no need to change their minds).
 
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..a disputation between reason and faith, or perhaps between the conservative (or tragic) view and the liberal (or perfectionist) view. The conservative president in the piece holds that people are each out to make a living, and the best way for government to facilitate that is to stay out of the way, as the inevitable abuses and failures of this system (free-market economics) are less than those of government intervention.

Hmmm. That's not the way I see things. My observations is the the perfectionist, utopian viewpoint tends to belong to the people who call themselves conservatives these days.
 
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