So, I state, “Home Schoolers are the next target of government schools…”

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Dixon calls me a paranoid, but in California, where so many of our great movements start, the teachers unions are celebrating their victory over the parents who are “Big Government” skeptics…

(03-07) 04:00 PST LOS ANGELES --
A California appeals court ruling clamping down on homeschooling by parents without teaching credentials sent shock waves across the state this week, leaving an estimated 166,000 children as possible truants and their parents at risk of prosecution.

The homeschooling movement never saw the case coming.

"At first, there was a sense of, 'No way,' " said homeschool parent Loren Mavromati, a resident of Redondo Beach (Los Angeles County) who is active with a homeschool association. "Then there was a little bit of fear. I think it has moved now into indignation."
...
The Second District Court of Appeal ruled that California law requires parents to send their children to full-time public or private schools or have them taught by credentialed tutors at home.

Some homeschoolers are affiliated with private or charter schools, like the Longs, but others fly under the radar completely. Many homeschooling families avoid truancy laws by registering with the state as a private school and then enroll only their own children.

Yet the appeals court said state law has been clear since at least 1953, when another appellate court rejected a challenge by homeschooling parents to California's compulsory education statutes. Those statutes require children ages 6 to 18 to attend a full-time day school, either public or private, or to be instructed by a tutor who holds a state credential for the child's grade level.

"California courts have held that ... parents do not have a constitutional right to homeschool their children," Justice H. Walter Croskey said in the 3-0 ruling issued on Feb. 28. "Parents have a legal duty to see to their children's schooling under the provisions of these laws."

Parents can be criminally prosecuted for failing to comply, Croskey said.

"A primary purpose of the educational system is to train school children in good citizenship, patriotism and loyalty to the state and the nation as a means of protecting the public welfare," the judge wrote, quoting from a 1961 case on a similar issue.

Redneck translation: Your child has a “right” to be educated by the state…

Heimov said her organization's chief concern was not the quality of the children's education, but their "being in a place daily where they would be observed by people who had a duty to ensure their ongoing safety."

Redneck translation: Parents aren’t “fit” to be parents, it takes the village “experts…”

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/03/07/MNJDVF0F1.DTL

 

[Slapham]

I was homeschooled for a few years. I live in WV and they have never tried to pass any law like that. Wow, fuck that.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

As schools count noses, and see lost revenues by kids not being under their control, you're going to see more of this kind of thing.

As Hillary tells us straight up, "It takes a village (to protect children from their parents)..."

 

[Ishmael]

Follow the money.

Ishmael

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

I just did...

 

[Ishmael]

I just did...

I know.

However, that was one weird case in that Child Welfare was involved.

But the fact of the matter is that the law has been on the books since 1953. It's up to the CA. Assembly now. What are they going to do?

Ishmael

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Keep those federal dollars coming in...





Arnold spends like Dubya...

 

[Ishmael]

Keep those federal dollars coming in...





Arnold spends like Dubya...

Time for federal matching funds for the private schools.

Ishmael

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

"Those" kind of schools, don't really want "those" kind of students...

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

My grand-daughter lives in California. She was home-schooled. She graduated high school at 14 and is a college student at 15.

Historically people in America didnt attend public schools before college. They got the basics the best way they could and took entrance exams to colleges.

Terminating home-schooling rewards teacher union members.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

... and Teachers Unions Contribute to Campaigns...






Campaign winners write laws, laws that keep the contributions flowing...

 

[firespin]

Historically people in America didnt attend public schools before college.

How historically are we talking here?

Going to college is a fairly recent mass phenomena, compared to public schools at least.

 

[Ishmael]

How historically are we talking here?

Going to college is a fairly recent mass phenomena, compared to public schools at least.

That started with the GI bill after WWII. So yes, it is fairly recent.

Now it's almost mandantory to attend college to learn what you were supposed to have learned in High School.

Ishmael

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

The "Government" school is a fairly recent innovation too.





"Public" schools don't bother me...

 

[Guest]

I don't know shit about California law, but isn't there a clause in there allowing for curriculum approval? When my little bro was home schooled, my parents opted to purchase a pre-packaged curriculum program from a Texas school, rather than write up a curriculum and submit it for approval.

And what about home school co-ops? Is there a minimum amount of access time with credentialed tutors that satisfies the state? A lot of these co-ops follow a pre-approved curriculum and have credentialed tutors available to assist children in areas they (or their parents) struggle with.

It just all seems a little vague to me.

 

[Ishmael]

I don't know shit about California law, but isn't there a clause in there allowing for curriculum approval? When my little bro was home schooled, my parents opted to purchase a pre-packaged curriculum program from a Texas school, rather than write up a curriculum and submit it for approval.

And what about home school co-ops? Is there a minimum amount of access time with credentialed tutors that satisfies the state? A lot of these co-ops follow a pre-approved curriculum and have credentialed tutors available to assist children in areas they (or their parents) struggle with.

It just all seems a little vague to me.

Nope, the CA. law appears to be quite clear. No exceptions.

Ishmael

 

[Byakuya]

as a teacher, I think parents should have a right to home-school if they want to.. I can attest to the fact that we learn absolutely nothing in our "Education Classes"..

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

I don't know shit about California law, but isn't there a clause in there allowing for curriculum approval? When my little bro was home schooled, my parents opted to purchase a pre-packaged curriculum program from a Texas school, rather than write up a curriculum and submit it for approval.

And what about home school co-ops? Is there a minimum amount of access time with credentialed tutors that satisfies the state? A lot of these co-ops follow a pre-approved curriculum and have credentialed tutors available to assist children in areas they (or their parents) struggle with.

It just all seems a little vague to me.

The law here is vague too. 600 hours a year, 60% of it in Language arts, Math, and Social Studies...

It's the latter that bothers me, the idea that schooling is about the conformity of diversity instead of actual diversity.

 

[firespin]

The law here is vague too. 600 hours a year, 60% of it in Language arts, Math, and Social Studies...

It's the latter that bothers me, the idea that schooling is about the conformity of diversity instead of actual diversity.

Say what?

Or were you lobbying to teach your own version of the multiplication table?

Intelligently designed, to be sure.

 

[Ishmael]

as a teacher, I think parents should have a right to home-school if they want to.. I can attest to the fact that we learn absolutely nothing in our "Education Classes"..

Nice to hear someone admit that for a change.

Ishmael

 

[Ishmael]

The law here is vague too. 600 hours a year, 60% of it in Language arts, Math, and Social Studies...

It's the latter that bothers me, the idea that schooling is about the conformity of diversity instead of actual diversity.

Social Studies is a broad field. I recall when it was mostly history and geography.

Ishmael

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Social Studies is a broad field. I recall when it was mostly history and geography.

Ishmael

Which is mostly what we work on...

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Say what?

Or were you lobbying to teach your own version of the multiplication table?

Intelligently designed, to be sure.

I have a degree in math and probably know as much about it as some "Education College" grad...

 

[Le Jacquelope]

How historically are we talking here?

Going to college is a fairly recent mass phenomena, compared to public schools at least.

It's driven by employers demanding a college education for simple shit like customer service work.

Mark my words, in 2 generations you'll need a Master's degree to get a simple job like that.

 

[firespin]

I have a degree in math and probably know as much about it as some "Education College" grad...

A lot of it has changed since you went to school.

Just look at story problems over the years...

Teaching Math in 1950: - (traditional math)
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price. What is his profit?

Teaching Math in 1960:
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price, or $80. What is his profit?

Teaching Math in 1970: - (new math)
A logger exchanges a set "L" of lumber for a set "M" of money. The cardinality of set "M" is 100. Each element is worth one dollar. Make 100 dots representing the elements of the set "M." The set "C", the cost of production contains 20 fewer points than set "M." Represent the set "C" as a subset of set "M" and answer the following question: What is the cardinality of the set "P" of profits?

Teaching Math in 1980:
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80 and his profit is $20. Your assignment: Underline the number 20.

Teaching Math in 1990: - (Outcome-Based education)
By cutting down beautiful forest trees, the logger makes $20. What do you think of this way of making a living? Topic for class participation after answering the question: How did the forest birds and squirrels feel as the logger cut down the trees? There are no wrong answers.

Teaching Math in 1996:
By laying off 40% of its loggers, a company improves its stock price from $80 to $100. How much capital gain per share does the CEO make by exercising his stock options at $80. Assume capital gains are no longer taxed, because this encourages investment.

Teaching Math in 1997:
A company outsources all of its loggers. They save on benefits and when demand for their product is down the logging work force can easily be cut back. The average logger employed by the company earned $50,000, had 3 weeks vacation, received a nice retirement plan and medical insurance. The contracted logger charges $50 an hour. Was outsourcing a good move?

Teaching Math in 1998:
A logging company exports its wood-finishing jobs to its Indonesian subsidiary and lays off the corresponding half of its US workers (the higher-paid half). It clear-cuts 95% of the forest, leaving the rest for the spotted owl, and lays off all its remaining US workers. It tells the workers that the spotted owl is responsible for the absence of fellable trees and lobbies Congress for exemption from the Endangered Species Act. Congress instead exempts the company from all federal regulation. What is the return on investment of the lobbying costs?

Teaching Math in 2000:
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $120. How does Arthur Andersen determine that his profit margin is $60?

Teaching Math in 2010:
El hachero vende un camion de carga por $100. El costo de production es........