Moses was high on drugs

[AllardChardon]

Moses was high on Drugs: Isreali researcher says

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080304/od_afp/israelreligionoffbeat;_ylt=AkAhaCEENL_eTZqhRL6IRzSs0NUE

This is right up my alley.

When I first read the stories of Moses in the Bible as a 22 year old, I had already taken LSD and magic mushrooms many times, and thought, "Boy, that sure sounds like Moses is tripping on some kind of psychedelic substance!" (My parents were pot smoking bohemians who did not attend any church.)

Who would have beileved it might be true?

 

[Stella_Omega]

Shamans have relied on psychedelics since the beginning of time, so not a big surprise there. I'm not impressed with the article though. I am sure this professor had more substantive things to say about his theory. To casually compare a rainforest herb with the things that are available in the Sinai desert is pretty thin.

He said the psychedelic effects of ayahuasca were comparable to those produced by concoctions based on bark of the acacia tree, that is frequently mentioned in the Bible.

Gee whizz, Mr. Science!

 

[AllardChardon]

Stella,

Nice to see you.

Peyote is the most hallucinogenic, isn't it? That's what I heard. I never tried it. The way it was represented in The Doors was very cool. Carlos Castaneda spoke highly of it as well, I recall.

I never even knew you could get high from acacias. The ark of the covenant was made from acacia, a very hardy desert shade tree.

We tried dried bananas, though. It didn't work, of course.

 

[rgraham666]

I figure the guy that wrote Revelations was high or paranoid schizophrenic myself.

Or both.

 

[Guest]

laughs

So the researcher saw a burning bush and now he thinks he is like Moses. He understands.



OK.

Anyone here would start seeing bushes under the right influence. Hell, we might even write something.



Maharat

 

[Boxlicker101]

I wonder if Ezekial was stoned too.

 

[AllardChardon]

The pillar of fire that represents God in the Old Testament always got my attention. I often thought it sounded like a space ship. But then I only read the old Testament while I was high, so it could be something else again.

 

[Huckleman2000]

I wonder if Ezekial was stoned too.

Ezekial was tripping balls.

 

[Boxlicker101]

The pillar of fire that represents God in the Old Testament always got my attention. I often thought it sounded like a space ship. But then I only read the old Testament while I was high, so it could be something else again.

This is interesting. I read somewhere, I think it was "Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction", somebody's opinion that it was an acccount of a man seeing visiting aliens with breathing apparatus and back-mounted helicopters. I am not all that familiar with the book of the bible, and I don't remember all the details in the mag.
I do remember when I read it that it made a certain amount of sense.

 

[keeblercrumb]

The coffe shop I frequent on my regular visits to Amsterdam is reputedly where Quentin Tarantino wrote Pulp Fiction..... I never asked if the bible was written there too, but I will on my next visit.

If I remember.



-KC

 

[cantdog]

ayahuasca

Ayahuasca is a preparation of DMT, the dream chemical. The stuff is in acacia; hell, it's in most everything-- grass clippings, anything. You produce it yourself, in the pineal. It's released during REM sleep, and also at the point of death.

Patmos has the mushrooms. 'Nuff said.

The trouble with DMT is, you have to have it in injectable form, or smoke it, or something; it's pretty inactive taken orally. That's what makes ayahuasca unique; they worked out a way to make it into a brew and drink it.

 

[cantdog]

Consequently, there's no need for him to have been using anything. One's own body produces it, right there at the base of the brain, nice and handy. It's a question of harnessing dreams, I guess. Jung, among many others, thought dreams significant.

 

[rgraham666]

I had a dream last night about a badly plugged toilet.

I wonder what the religious significance of that was?

 

[AllardChardon]

rg,

Maybe you are backed up with testoterone. A toilet looks like a easter lily, a little bit, and you know what Georgia O Keefe did with flowers and stamins and pistels and petals...... Maybe it was really an erotic dream and you missed it...

cantdog,

I have heard of Ayahuasca. Has anyone tried it to know if it does cause a dream like state or hallucinations? I haven't tripped on LSD for years but was thinking it might be good to sweep out the closets in the brain and let some fresh spring air into the place.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

This is actually sort of scary. Rush Limbaugh, Jerry Falwell and George Bush are ardent followers of some 4th or 5th century BC crackhead. Explains a lot, don't you think?

 

[cantdog]

Sure, people have tried it, but you pretty much have to go to the frickin jungle.

Rick Strassman, MD

Terence McKenna

The former wrote a book summarizing experiments in controlled conditions with it; McKenna went to the frickin jungle. Reading McKenna, you are left with no scintilla of doubt: the stuff causes hallucinations. Go ahead and google 'em up, get the books.

Joe Rogan did an interview on satellite radio about the stuff. You can find it here.

It's since become a couple of different you_tube videos.

 

[AllardChardon]

Thanks for the great information. I will try and look up the pillar of fire part of the Old Testament a bit later. I have a meeting to attend at my son's school.

 

[dr_mabeuse]

That's ridiculous. It explains nothing. Whether Moses were high or straight, what difference does it make? He changed the fucking world. And this "Israeli scientist" doesn't know the difference between a narcotic and a hallucinogen. They're not the same things at all.

You can have valid visions with drugs and invalid visions without them. What's the difference? It's the same mind. The millions of people who came after Moses didn't do hallucinogens.

This is the kind of Chariot of the Gods crap that gives science and religion both a bad name. It shows you how small-minded people can be that they think anything out of their realm of experience must be due to drugs.

EDITED TO ADD: I've done DMT and DET both. They used to be known as "Businessman's Acid" because the high only lasted 45 minutes or so so you could supposedly trip on your lunch hour. They were like acid but not as intense. Say, between acid and mescaline. As I recall, DMT is the active ingredient in psilocybin but I might be wrong. *L* It's been a while. I don't feel like looking it up.

HERE COME THOSE PHOSPHORESCENT BATS AGAIN!!!

 

[CharleyH]

Moses was high on Drugs: Isreali researcher says

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080304/od_afp/israelreligionoffbeat;_ylt=AkAhaCEENL_eTZqhRL6IRzSs0NUE

This is right up my alley.

When I first read the stories of Moses in the Bible as a 22 year old, I had already taken LSD and magic mushrooms many times, and thought, "Boy, that sure sounds like Moses is tripping on some kind of psychedelic substance!" (My parents were pot smoking bohemians who did not attend any church.)

Who would have beileved it might be true?

Anyone who had ever read the bible, maybe?

 

[AllardChardon]

The bats are the best!

Yes, with or without drugs, Jehovah got his message across to Moses. 10 commandments that everyone quickly disregarded. Originally there were fifteen commandments, the first time down Mt. Sinai, but when Moses saw the Golden Calf, he broke them. When he went back, he only got two tablets with 5 commandments. I have often wondered what were the other five commandments, which I suppose we would have disregarded just as quckly. Does this mean that God edited his own work?

 

[dr_mabeuse]

Does this mean that the Israeli scientist buys the rest of the story? The forty years in the wilderness? The parting of the Red Sea? The Ten Plagues? The pillar of fire and column of smoke?

It was only when Moses got to Sinai, in the midst of all this manna falling from heaven and water springing from rocks that he decided he just had to get loaded, huh? Things just weren't mind-blowing enough?

 

[AllardChardon]

Maybe they were all high as kites and the parting of the Red Sea was a mass hallucination, which never really happened, except at Universal Studios, ha.

 

[Huckleman2000]

Does this mean that the Israeli scientist buys the rest of the story? The forty years in the wilderness? The parting of the Red Sea? The Ten Plagues? The pillar of fire and column of smoke?

It was only when Moses got to Sinai, in the midst of all this manna falling from heaven and water springing from rocks that he decided he just had to get loaded, huh? Things just weren't mind-blowing enough?

I recall from my Religious Studies class that the idea of "ecstatic" prophecy is common to many cultures and religions. Prophet goes into the wild, has visions, returns to tell everyone about them, and they catch on.

Of course, others went into the wild and had visions too, except they were of a more common sort. These people became pornographers.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I recall from my Religious Studies class that the idea of "ecstatic" prophecy is common to many cultures and religions. Prophet goes into the wild, has visions, returns to tell everyone about them, and they catch on.

Of course, others went into the wild and had visions too, except they were of a more common sort. These people became pornographers.

Has Literotica been around that long? I thought it was much newer than that.

 

[cantdog]

I never went with the forty years, myself. I believed the Meribah spring story, though; you could see it happening.