Hello! And yep, Gorean!

[TimsGirl]

First off I'd like to say that I have been enjoying Lit. for many years! Thank you for such a wonderful site. So many amazing stories out there!!

Second off... I came to the forums today for the first time out of boredom and hoping to perhaps find some new people to talk with... People who are open minded to different lifestyles. I instantly searched for a BDSM board and found it right away.

I kind of scanned through some of the topics, read a few, and then happened upon an incredibly disturbing thread regarding Goreans.

I was shocked! I'm still shocked! I'm sitting here with my mind all a whirl wondering... what the .....

With exception of (I believe) two people, all I read in there was a horrific display of why most BDSM'ers keep their lifestyles behind closed doors!

I read someone's post that essentially asked why it is that the Gorean lifestyle is treated so harshly here. Regardless of the fact that I'm shocked at the closed minded opinions, I can tell you exactly why....

Because none of the people posting actually know anything about being Gorean! I guess even in a community where keeping an open mind is pretty much a prerequisite, human nature takes over and "not understanding something" will create fear, hatred, and mockery.

I am a Gorean slave. I have been married to my Master for almost 9 years now. I have been involved in the Gorean lifestyle for nearly 11 years.

I would love to be welcomed into this community with open arms. I fear I won't be though. I almost didn't even register.

If it would help, I'd love for some people to ask some questions. Once my lifestyle is understood a little more, perhaps some people here would be willing to form some friendships.

I say "my" lifestyle because just like BDSM'ers.... ugh that's hard to say..... "Goreans" do in fact chose their lifestyle. Just because a few are hardcore "I try to live my life 100% by the books", does not mean the majority is this way.

Just as there are many facets to BDSM, there are many facets to "Gor".

I really hate breaking myself off into a separate group like this because in truth I do not see "Gorean" being separate from BDSM. I see it as a branch of BDSM. But from what I've read so far, a lot of people do not feel the same.

I think to start with, I'd like to dispel a couple of myths.

#1. Goreans do think for themselves. The majority of us don't sit and read the fictional books and try to turn our lives into a living roleplay.

Sorry... I don't feel like squatting on fur pelts all day long, I like my comfy chairs and couch very much thank you! And umm.. If any man came along and thought he could tell me what to do just because I'm a Gorean slave.. My Master would be all over that man in a flash and NOT in a fun, bdsm way!

#2. Slaves speaking in third person is mostly an IRC/online thing. There are those that incorporate this into daily living, but eh, a lot of us thinks it makes a slave really hard to understand!

My Master enjoys the fact that I am intelligent. He enjoys conversations with me. He doesn't want to try to wade through all the "this girl, your girl, this slave..".

#3. Goreans do not feel that they are "better" than BDSM'ers.

I'm 100% positive that there are those that do! Just as I am 100% positive that there are BDSM'ers that feel they are better than Goreans.

Please, don't generalize. You are going to run into all types of people, I think even more so with such taboo lifestyle living as BDSM (including Gorean). We are all individuals though and different from one another!

Again, I'd like to hope that I can be welcomed here and not ridiculed for my choice of lifestyle. I promise, I am open minded and not at all into mocking other people for their lifestyle choice.

If you'd like to learn more about what being Gorean means to Master and myself, please feel free to ask questions! But also be aware that this is our lifestyle!! I cannot answer for ALL Goreans!

Always his,

TimsGirl

 

[myinnerslut]

welcome to lit

i look foward to reading the responses on this thread

 

[00Syd]

I know near to nothing about Gor except what I've heard from other people. Most everyone who has told me about it, has viewed it negatively, but I've tried to keep an open mind since I had never actually talked to anyone involved in Gor.

I hope this thread takes off, I'm very interested to hear what you (and other people) have to say!

Welcome to Lit

 

[Ladythunder]

Welcome to Lit, I hope your stay here is a pleasant one!

Though I know there are those that are dyed in the wool in their beliefs about what does and what does not exist in a BDSM relationship, A large percentage believes live and let live works better

Anyhow, I think of this lifestyle much like I think of religion-I dont care if you have different views and/or beliefs, just don't ram them down my throat

from your post, I would say that is not your intention, so welcome

 

[intothewoods]

Welcome! I'm glad there is someone here into Gor who wants to talk about it.

Can you explain to me what role the books do play in your life then? I'm kind of fuzzy on the whole thing.

 

[snowbyte]

Can you explain to me what role the books do play in your life then? I'm kind of fuzzy on the whole thing.

As am I.

I remember reading the books as a kid; somethings seemed possible/interesing, some impractical, and others were 'WTF?'.

Later on after finding the BDSM world, I heard that Goreans were out there. My opinion at the time was 'Ok, whatever' but I never read anything that gave me a picture of what practices (for lack of a better term) Goreans engaged in.

So, anything that TimsGirl can provide (descriptions, links, etc...) would be much appreciated. This will be the "new thing" I learned today.

 

[FurryFury]

Welcome.

 

[rosco rathbone]

I like everything about it except for the trappings. I wouldn't be able to keep a straight face.

 

[Primalex]

Sorry... I don't feel like squatting on fur pelts all day long, I like my comfy chairs and couch very much thank you! And umm.. If any man came along and thought he could tell me what to do just because I'm a Gorean slave.. My Master would be all over that man in a flash and NOT in a fun, bdsm way!

The interesting question though is:
If I beat him to a bloody pulp, will you call the police or spread your legs for me?

 

[Netzach]

First off I'd like to say that I have been enjoying Lit. for many years! Thank you for such a wonderful site. So many amazing stories out there!!

Second off... I came to the forums today for the first time out of boredom and hoping to perhaps find some new people to talk with... People who are open minded to different lifestyles. I instantly searched for a BDSM board and found it right away.

I kind of scanned through some of the topics, read a few, and then happened upon an incredibly disturbing thread regarding Goreans.

I was shocked! I'm still shocked! I'm sitting here with my mind all a whirl wondering... what the .....

With exception of (I believe) two people, all I read in there was a horrific display of why most BDSM'ers keep their lifestyles behind closed doors!

I read someone's post that essentially asked why it is that the Gorean lifestyle is treated so harshly here. Regardless of the fact that I'm shocked at the closed minded opinions, I can tell you exactly why....

Because none of the people posting actually know anything about being Gorean! I guess even in a community where keeping an open mind is pretty much a prerequisite, human nature takes over and "not understanding something" will create fear, hatred, and mockery.

I am a Gorean slave. I have been married to my Master for almost 9 years now. I have been involved in the Gorean lifestyle for nearly 11 years.

I would love to be welcomed into this community with open arms. I fear I won't be though. I almost didn't even register.

If it would help, I'd love for some people to ask some questions. Once my lifestyle is understood a little more, perhaps some people here would be willing to form some friendships.

I say "my" lifestyle because just like BDSM'ers.... ugh that's hard to say..... "Goreans" do in fact chose their lifestyle. Just because a few are hardcore "I try to live my life 100% by the books", does not mean the majority is this way.

Just as there are many facets to BDSM, there are many facets to "Gor".

I really hate breaking myself off into a separate group like this because in truth I do not see "Gorean" being separate from BDSM. I see it as a branch of BDSM. But from what I've read so far, a lot of people do not feel the same.

I think to start with, I'd like to dispel a couple of myths.

#1. Goreans do think for themselves. The majority of us don't sit and read the fictional books and try to turn our lives into a living roleplay.

Sorry... I don't feel like squatting on fur pelts all day long, I like my comfy chairs and couch very much thank you! And umm.. If any man came along and thought he could tell me what to do just because I'm a Gorean slave.. My Master would be all over that man in a flash and NOT in a fun, bdsm way!

#2. Slaves speaking in third person is mostly an IRC/online thing. There are those that incorporate this into daily living, but eh, a lot of us thinks it makes a slave really hard to understand!

My Master enjoys the fact that I am intelligent. He enjoys conversations with me. He doesn't want to try to wade through all the "this girl, your girl, this slave..".

#3. Goreans do not feel that they are "better" than BDSM'ers.

I'm 100% positive that there are those that do! Just as I am 100% positive that there are BDSM'ers that feel they are better than Goreans.

Please, don't generalize. You are going to run into all types of people, I think even more so with such taboo lifestyle living as BDSM (including Gorean). We are all individuals though and different from one another!

Again, I'd like to hope that I can be welcomed here and not ridiculed for my choice of lifestyle. I promise, I am open minded and not at all into mocking other people for their lifestyle choice.

If you'd like to learn more about what being Gorean means to Master and myself, please feel free to ask questions! But also be aware that this is our lifestyle!! I cannot answer for ALL Goreans!

Always his,

TimsGirl

Um, I hate to say this, but if all the Goreans I've ever encountered sounded like YOU I'd be a lot warmer in general.

Problem is, they generally don't.

I'm not a crazed circle the wagons person. I've just dealt with some really nasty crap from that part of the community.

That said, hi and welcome. I'd love to be proven totally wrong.

 

[twysted73]

Funny how we were JUSt commenting on the sad lack of gorean input here on Lit. Not because they don't exist, but because, as you have painfully mentioned, lack of knolwadge does breed fear of the unknown and contempt for that lack of knowladge.

So..I say to you welcomes of the warmest and do stay here as they (and I speak for myself as well) need someone with experienced insight and are well versed on the subject dropping pairs of pennies around here like a wishing fountain at disneyland.

I know I'm curious.

It's like having long-lost play pals drop in for dinner and a spanking. FUN!

Trappings? Hmm...it would seem I must admit my ignorances here as well.
What is the structure? What are the rules? What constitutes a "good lil' Gore-baby" versus a bad, unruly one?
What are the guidelines?
How does this particular branch relate and intermingle with BDSM?
Wow...why haven't I looked into this more then I have?

 

[rosco rathbone]

The interesting question though is:
If I beat him to a bloody pulp, will you call the police or spread your legs for me?

Smite him with your +10 intelligent war-hammer.

 

[Primalex]

Smite him with your +10 intelligent war-hammer.

Someone stole my D20!

 

[snowy ciara]

Hello and welcome.

 

[Etoile]

Um, I hate to say this, but if all the Goreans I've ever encountered sounded like YOU I'd be a lot warmer in general.

Problem is, they generally don't.

I'm not a crazed circle the wagons person. I've just dealt with some really nasty crap from that part of the community.

That said, hi and welcome. I'd love to be proven totally wrong.

Exactly what Netzach said. I never met such an open Gorean who was willing to explain to those of us who don't know. Nice to meet you.

 

[SweetErika]

I don't know if the OP is still around, but I have questions for her and/or others who practice Gor in real life. Please keep in mind that I'm asking because I'm genuinely curious and want to learn; this isn't a mission to promote misinformation or ridicule you in any way...

How do you and the Goreans you know view women in general? Do you apply the "Freewoman" views to other women? Do you believe women are somehow less than men, that they have no place owning slaves, etc.?

From what I've heard (from Goreans who practice Gor at a variety of levels/intensities) and read (both quotes and interpretations of the books), it does seem like there is a widespread view that ALL women have a lower place than men. Yes, "Freewomen" are respected, have rights, can speak their minds, yada yada yada, but I've yet to hear a Gorean say women can be equal to, and even better suited for some 'typically male' roles than, men. It seems like a lot of Goreans believe non-Gorean female slaves shouldn't hold leadership positions, own slaves, and can be made into slaves.

I've heard a lot of negative stuff about male submissives and slaves, too, e.g. only the lowest of the low men are subs/slaves, a man should never willingly submit to a woman, etc.

So, in your experience, are these things common in real life Gor? Do you hold these beliefs as a Gorean? Or is it more a matter of a lot of people spouting these views online?

Apart from the promotion of fantasy and abuse (e.g. being able to enslave all women through force, raping, harming and killing slaves), I think these are the main things I've had problems understanding. I don't view or treat people on a different basis of equality due to their gender or D/s role, nor do I assume others fit into my concept of kink or lifestyle. That is, just because I'm a female dominant doesn't mean I assume all men are submissive to women in some way, other women shouldn't be subs/slaves, that all people should be kinky, poly, etc.

FWIW, I do know a couple of very nice, sensible, intelligent people who identify as Goreans in real life. From what I can tell, they keep the Gor to their personal relationships (they don't generalize their views to encompass others) and are very respectful of different views and styles of kink.

There's also a local group that's called "Goreans of Reality" and focuses on discussing how to implement Gor in their everyday lives, on Earth, rather than following the books to the letter or living in a fantasy world. They welcome everyone who's interested in learning more, and I have no doubt the regulars are very sensible, as well.

 

[catalina_francisco]

I must say it is disappointing the OP has not returned to answer the number of politely worded questions and expressions of wanting to know more from a valid source after feeling so strongly about the misconceptions people have about Gor. Perhaps Monday is their only day for access to a pc and they will return then.

Catalina

 

[MzChrista]

Heres the thing.

I have met or read things from a lot of people calling themselves Goreans over the years and most of them to be honest with you, were full of shit. So part of the problem may be that "real" Goreans take the rap for a a lot of phony baloneys. Its like Rastas.For every real one theres a thousand clowns who dont know anything except how to grow dreads and roll a spliff.

Ill tell you one area where Ive got your back, and thats with anyone who gives you that "It isnt bdsm crap." Who made them the king of kink?

 

[MzChrista]

I like everything about it except for the trappings. I wouldn't be able to keep a straight face.

Im with you. But I never keep a straight face anyhow. Its OK though, I have found that cackling like a fiend works just as good.

 

[Primalex]

Perhaps Monday is their only day for access to a pc and they will return then.

Funny, how fast the belittling of the lifestyle starts again...

 

[SweetErika]

I must say it is disappointing the OP has not returned to answer the number of politely worded questions and expressions of wanting to know more from a valid source after feeling so strongly about the misconceptions people have about Gor. Perhaps Monday is their only day for access to a pc and they will return then.

Funny, how fast the belittling of the lifestyle starts again...

Given the context and her other posts promoting acceptance of different styles, I have no doubt that Cat could likely would have made that comment about any poster (D/s, M/s, S&M-focused, Gor, just curious about kink, etc.) who claimed they wanted to engage, but failed to return.

On the flip side, given your other posts, I'd say it's highly likely you're a very angry or otherwise unhappy person who's just trying to stir shit. A troll, really.

 

[Primalex]

Given the context and her other posts promoting acceptance of different styles, I have no doubt that Cat could likely would have made that comment about any poster (D/s, M/s, S&M-focused, Gor, just curious about kink, etc.) who claimed they wanted to engage, but failed to return.

Wait. Is this supposed to make me feel better that she could have belittled any other lifestyle the same way? What kind of argument is this?

On the flip side, given your other posts, I'd say it's highly likely you're a very angry or otherwise unhappy person who's just trying to stir shit.

If there wouldn't be any truth in my words, people would just discard them.

 

[Etoile]

On the flip side, given your other posts, I'd say it's highly likely you're a very angry or otherwise unhappy person who's just trying to stir shit. A troll, really.

Do we really need to start this again?

 

[SweetErika]

Do we really need to start this again?

I wasn't aware it had been done before. I was just making an observation from my standpoint, not trying to start anything. Primalex responded, I disagree with his views, and that's the end of it from my side. If other people want to chime in and really derail this thread, that's their prerogative, but it's not something I had any intention of inciting or support.

 

[Xelebes]

I support Al Gore too.