Curious!

[JADED_ONE1969]

I'm just a bit curious about all these comments about comments on various stories although you guessed it loving wives seems to get most peoples backs up and I'm not just talking about people who like the story. For example any story that has a perfectly normal marriage- I.E as yet no extra-marital sex- suddenly becomes a case of the wife wants sex with other people men and woman is some stories then wants the husband to either watch or join in weather or not he wants to. Now I'm not against writers writing their fantasy and other people wanting to read them, hell I read many loving wives stories and almost all of them I would never dream of doing anything like them! but isn't that the point we read them and like or dislike them we should be allowed to make a comment about that story and not have to justify THAT comment just because someone like myself does not buy into a certain lifestyle.
And if this means that I have become a 'TROLL' for expressing MY views then so be it I thought this was a tolerant site that accepted everyones point of view sadly I was wrong anyone with an opinion or idea is moaned at for expressing an opinion If other people do not agree with it.
Sad old world really where even on a so called free speech website it's not really free.
If anyone bothers to read this which if you have reached this far you probably have your own opinions on MY opinions and probably all bad but then thats what this site is all about!

 

[Lalah]

It's all fine to express your opinion, but there is a way to do it, and then there are ways not to do it.

Calling the author a sick, disturbed person who should be interned is not the good way to go about it. A simple "Well written, but the theme is not for my tastes." Does the job just as well, and it may even make the author take it into consideration.

Also there are honest comments from people actually giving the story a fair try and finding out it's not for them, and there are the people that never intended to give the story a chance. I have seen some go to the non-consent section, scroll all the way to the fourth page of a story, and then start blasting the writer about how non-con is evil. You don't like non-con fantasies? Just fine, but what the hell are you doing in the non-con section?

Something else that tend to leave writers scratching their heads is when reviewers don't seem to realize that this is only a fantasy. I read a story not long ago about a woman letting two strangers have sex with her. One of the reviewer went on about how she'd catch aids and get pregnant. Well yes, if this was reality, which is why this is only a Fantasy. Do these persons send angry letters to George Lucas to let him know how people can not actually move things with their mind?

 

[hmmnmm]

Calling the author a sick, disturbed person who should be interned

or in some cases, this could be the greatest compliment an author could receive.

 

[Lalah]

True, I like getting these comments personally, considering I write about my humiliation fantasies. I wish people would call me a slut and a whore too, that would be such a turn on. Keep the dirty feedback coming.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

Regardless what you write, you will get negative comments. Currently, I am working on a long treatis titled, "Why don't some guys get it?" It's proved to be a complex question.

Among the trolls there seem to be two types -

1) Those who come to Lit to read stories that will offend them so they feel justified in making nasty, smart-ass and demeaning remarks about the stories and the writers.

2) Those who are unable to write even a cohearnt sentence so they make nasty demeaning remarks about the stories and writers to make themselves feel better.

What they don't realize is they are doing is advertising your stories and gathering more readers than you would have gotten otherwise.

 

[hmmnmm]

an alternative suggestion:

When Bombs are Roses
and Ones are Gold

 

[dv8tmind]

Being new to this website myself. I have received not so nice reviews. But then like everything today you take with a grain of salt. I take the information that is helpful and toss the rest. There are people out there who still believe cartoons are the down fall of society. Please!! We are here for entertainment, enjoyments, strokes, turn-ons, fetishes and to satisfy the voyerism (?, I know I spelled that wrong) everyone has. It is sad our society and world cannot see fantasy for reality. But then that does explain all the crap on TV

With any group of people, you have the good and bad. I choose to ignore the bad. Just not worth my time. Me? I'll continue to express through my righting and comments here. Don't let the abusive nature of a few ruin for you.

 

[dv8tmind]

And for someone who wants to right (write) more, I know work in the spelling thing. Thus why I am here.

 

[Darkniciad]

"I hope the person in the story dies a slow painful death of aids or ends up getting pregnant 58 times"

The very first comment of yours that I came across while searching.

While you're directing your comments to the characters in the story, rather than the author, it's not far off that mark of wishing the author a horrible end ( Especially when so many others who share your opinion of cheating stories do so directly and without ambiguity )

It also shares the same sort of qualities with numerous commenters that can't seem to tell the difference between fantasy and reality -- the people who believe that every story is an autobiography for the author.

How you can expect not to be lumped in with the trolls when only the tiniest little differences separate the content of your comments from their mouth-frothing, near untintelligible, disconnected from reality ravings, I don't know.

If you don't want to be called a troll, don't emulate them.

 

[JADED_ONE1969]

Good point!

but that is also my point I make a sarcastic comment on a story or stories I did not like
and suddenly I a villain simply for expressing my opinion and yes some of the comments on My stories have been about me personally so yes I give it out and expect it back so I accept that some people don't like me as a person likewise when someone, anybody including me writes a story there is always a little something in that story that is a peice of them or they would like it to be( I bet that gets some comments) so yes I agree I try not to get personal but 99.9% of the time I stick to complaining about the story, although quite often I do question weather or not a story is a fantasy or not but thats just me having an enquiring mind.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

There is a difference between a critic and a troll. It's pretty easy to understand GW.

A critic will tell you he/she doesn't like your story and why.

A troll will make sarcasitc and demeaning remarks about a story and/or the author.

Read 1/10th of the stories I've gone through and you will find a percentage that have no redeaming value, are so poorly written as to be almost unreadable and so obviously demeaning to my intellegence that just not saying that requires super human strength.

That is a battle I lose on rare occasions. However, as nasty as I am, nearly all of my critiques are honest, thoughtful and pointed.

That's the difference.

 

[JADED_ONE1969]

Trouble is

The trouble is that as I am an inexperienced writer of stories most of my stories are really crap compared to most peoples stories and the only way they get posted on this site is with a huge amount of help from other writers/editors. if anyone cares to look at the comments I have made on various stories I comment on what I think is good or bad about the story that being said if after reading a story that upsets me for some reason, which of course means the story did it's job, I will perhaps say things that If I thought about them probably wouldn't, this also goes for any personal attacks made on the writer which I don't really remember but I don't think I insulted too many people certainly no more than any body else!
So going back to my original topic these comments about comments do serve their pupose but normally to annoy other commentators.
Last thing to mention I do understand when someone gets personal about any subject not just writing what boils down to sex stories which let's be honest here if anyone writes a story that someone/anyone likes/ gets off on it then why should any comment really worry writers/authors.
If now or in the future anyone see's a comment by me about the story or the writer that they do not agree with well just bare in mind this is a comment from someone whose views should mean nothing so just ignore them. Or better yet I will just comment on stories I do like.

 

[Lalah]

Commenting only on stories you liked is a good idea. This is what I do. If it look like the story is turning in a direction I won't enjoy I just click back. Why would I stick around if I'm not having fun?

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

Commenting only on stories you liked is a good idea. This is what I do. If it look like the story is turning in a direction I won't enjoy I just click back. Why would I stick around if I'm not having fun?

Lalah has the right idea. If you ain't having fun, don't do it. I've been around since 2000 under another name. All told I have something like 150 stories posted on Lit. The first ones were pretty crappy - almost embarrassing as I look back at them now.

But that's what Lit is all about - Leaning to write. They don't really teach you that in college. The teach you to write stuff down. They teach you how to discribe stuff. But they don't teach you how to write so people WANT to read your stuff. That's why Lit is here.

Don't feel bad about the stories you turn out. Every single one of us turned out crap in the beginning. The difference between the writers that are sucessful on Lit and the ones who post a few stories, then fade away is we put our egos asside and took the time to learn.

There are some 200,000 members on Lit. Of that number there are maybe 200 writers who post regularly and are well known here. I would venture to guess if you privately ask 198 of those 200 for help you would get it. I've helped many newbies myself.

Now to call myself a total liar, I have had to read hundreds of really bad stories. Not because I was or wasn't having fun, but because I'm in this forum a lot. GW, you ain't no different that most writers starting out. We read your stuff and the other stuff posted in this forum because we would like to help you.

Occasionally we find a real jewel who blossoms into a really wonderful writer. Go for it, guy

 

[sr71plt]

I'm just a bit curious about all these comments about comments on various stories although you guessed it loving wives seems to get most peoples backs up and I'm not just talking about people who like the story. For example any story that has a perfectly normal marriage- I.E as yet no extra-marital sex- suddenly becomes a case of the wife wants sex with other people men and woman is some stories then wants the husband to either watch or join in weather or not he wants to. Now I'm not against writers writing their fantasy and other people wanting to read them, hell I read many loving wives stories and almost all of them I would never dream of doing anything like them! but isn't that the point we read them and like or dislike them we should be allowed to make a comment about that story and not have to justify THAT comment just because someone like myself does not buy into a certain lifestyle.
And if this means that I have become a 'TROLL' for expressing MY views then so be it I thought this was a tolerant site that accepted everyones point of view sadly I was wrong anyone with an opinion or idea is moaned at for expressing an opinion If other people do not agree with it.
Sad old world really where even on a so called free speech website it's not really free.
If anyone bothers to read this which if you have reached this far you probably have your own opinions on MY opinions and probably all bad but then thats what this site is all about!

Did you really leave this comment on a story as Darknaid suggested you did? (If not, my comments don't pertain to you then.)

"I hope the person in the story dies a slow painful death of aids or ends up getting pregnant 58 times"

If so, I think you have no kick that someone would call you a troll over this. At least it's not a foulmouthed or even particularly flammatory name to be called. It's been used so often by so many on other posters who just don't happen to agree with them that it's been watered down and really has no jolt to it anymore.

That comment speaks only to the commenter's (you?) reaction to the lifestyle/circumstance of the story--it doesn't speak at all to how well or badly you think the author spoke to that lifestyle/circumstance for his/her target audience--which wouldn't include you, would it, since you don't approve of that lifestyle/circumstance? And this always leads to the question of why you are reading the story at all if it not only isn't one of your turnons but is something you have an aversion to. If you start a fight where you have no reason to put your nose, you should expect a fight. And if you expect to find the turnons here that you like, you should let those who like their own version of turnons alone.

I think it's natural for you to get a bad reaction when you comment not on how well the story was done but on the lifestyle/circumstance dealt with, so, as other posters here have said, if you don't want the razzberries to be perpetuated, it might be a good idea to only comment on stories as stories--or not at all. And to backclick and move on to something else the instant you find it isn't a turnon (and if you don't just backclick, it really is a turnon of some sort for you, isn't it? And if you're conflicted over that, it's your problem/issue--not the story's or author's problem/issue.)

As for the "Loving Wives" category, although I posted one that I thought long and hard about in terms of what I thought would fit the category--and got quite decent response to the story--I think it would be very, very hard to stick to a faithful concept of "loving wife" and produce a story that wasn't ho hum, with no more tension than in an episode of Leave It to Beaver, and sticky sweet sacchrine, in which case you might as well toss it into the Romance category. In my case I decided to write about a journey of a wife from self-absorption toward becoming a loving wife--and her loved ones around her not causing more, complex problems to hinder that journey. Most of the stories I hear about being raked over the coals in that category don't seem to be about anything "loving," or even actually about "wives."

 

[elfin_odalisque]

First, I endorse Jenny J's comment just above about a thousand percent. From the masochistic army of volunteer editors to the prima donna authors, there is a real desire to help and an almost religious zeal to help a new writer get on.

In any comment made, both publicly and privately, there must be the intention to support the writer with advice and positive criticism. Anything that is just invective is puerile.

Also, there is never a justification for attacking the plot of a story. If a writer has passed the quite strict guidelines that apply on Lit, no-one has any right to complain about his/her subject. Grammar, way of stimulating interest, verbosity, etc are all up for criticism. Just not,ever, the subject matter.

As was said, if it's not your bag, click out and try elsewhere.

 

[JADED_ONE1969]

Ok

Thanks for the comments, and although I did try it's pretty obvious that a 'WRITER' of stories I am not any good so that said is there anyway I can delete the stories I have posted? if so let me know. And don't worry from now on you won't here a peep from me even if i Like the story!

 

[sr71plt]

Thanks for the comments, and although I did try it's pretty obvious that a 'WRITER' of stories I am not any good so that said is there anyway I can delete the stories I have posted? if so let me know. And don't worry from now on you won't here a peep from me even if i Like the story!

I think you just resubmit them with the original title with "DELETE" behind it and an explanation in the "Comments" box that you'd like to have the story deleted.

 

[Lalah]

Thanks for the comments, and although I did try it's pretty obvious that a 'WRITER' of stories I am not any good so that said is there anyway I can delete the stories I have posted? if so let me know. And don't worry from now on you won't here a peep from me even if i Like the story!

Aww don't delete your stories. I'm not really into loving wives stories but there's nothing wrong with yours. Keep writing and you'll keep getting better.

 

[JADED_ONE1969]

Nice of you..

Nice of you to say so but having read through them they are not really any good, anyway I can't figure out how to delete them anyway! I tried doing what a couple of people said but I can't seem to get it to work oh well. perhaps I will find a non sexual website and see if they like it.

 

[Lalah]

I read your first 3 stories, I didn't see anything wrong with them.

They did have sex, but you're not obligated to put sex in every parts of a series anyway, especially if it's in the romance section. There's also the "Non-Erotic" section for stories that are not focusing on sex.

Just keep writing and get a volunteer editor to help you if you haven't already. You'll get better in no time.

Edit: You delete them as has been said above. Start a new submission with the same title but add "Delete". It's not instantaneous as far as I know, you gotta wait a couple of days for a mod to get to it so you can probably change your mind if you want to.

 

[mjl2010]

Nice of you to say so but having read through them they are not really any good, anyway I can't figure out how to delete them anyway! I tried doing what a couple of people said but I can't seem to get it to work oh well. perhaps I will find a non sexual website and see if they like it.

You know, I've done a number of different things in my life. And every time the first time I did it, it wasn't as easy as others made it look. I perservered and kept at them and eventually, got fairly good at them.

I'm an engineer turned carpenter. The first time I did crown molding for someone, it took me all day to do one room. I "knew" what I was doing, but didn't know how to do it fast and make it look really good.

Today, after all this practice, I could do that room in an hour. It's the same with writing. You start out and learn what works, then use it and get better and better.

BTW, I looked for a certain work you showed me, and never saw it. What happened?

MJL

 

[JADED_ONE1969]

I thought...

I thought you had given up on me! But I'm sure I did send it to you but after not hearing back from you I thought well I would give it a go and see how well I can do and the result is as you see it. I would say it IS an improvement on my first story but not by much!

 

[mjl2010]

Improvements take time. I was sure I did something with that and sent it back to you. I'll look it up. In the meantime, don't quit yet.