So I've Been Looking Into It, And I Think I Am Gor

[rosco rathbone]

except, you know....without the corny trappings. The lingo, the uptight manliness, the mustachioed practitioners with their fat balding heads, the "honor" and all the rest of it. I'm like some modern metrosexual, seinfeld-irony gorean. I seriously vibe with the underlying program though.

 

[save_marla]

I am i m m e d i a t e l y turned off, personally, but I know there are lots of girls who will be your new best friends.


I don't know much about Gor, have never looked into. What I've heard makes me roll my eyes. I'm not much into protocol.

Also, my fiance's annoying ex was a big Gor fan. That's definitely a factor.

 

[rosco rathbone]

I am i m m e d i a t e l y turned off, personally, but I know there are lots of girls who will be your new best friends.


I don't know much about Gor, have never looked into. What I've heard makes me roll my eyes. I'm not much into protocol.

Also, my fiance's annoying ex was a big Gor fan. That's definitely a factor.

Protocal is out too. I'm just a male supremacist.

 

[save_marla]

Protocal is out too. I'm just a male supremacist.

Oh well that's just hot.

 

[SweetGigi]

Protocal is out too. I'm just a male supremacist.

*snort*

ouch! that made milk come out of my nose!

*pouts*

 

[h_i_s]

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[h_i_s]

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[rosco rathbone]

gor+irony=me

 

[intothewoods]

Gor plus irony? Would that be like Touched By An Angel with schadenfreude?

I am Gor. Hear me roar!

 

[rosco rathbone]

Gor doesn't get much respect here at Literotica.

 

[intothewoods]

Gor doesn't get much respect here at Literotica.

I'm sure others will be more respectful. I'm a horrible brat, and I do apologize.

All pomp and circumstance lifestyle stuff makes me squidgy.

 

[graceanne]

I'm sure others will be more respectful. I'm a horrible brat, and I do apologize.

All pomp and circumstance lifestyle stuff makes me squidgy.

It makes me giggly. LOL

 

[Etoile]

Gor doesn't get much respect here at Literotica.

You're right, it doesn't. And I don't mean to ruin the thread by being serious, but perhaps this is something we should look into. I think we have a self-perpetuating cycle here. There are no Goreans here, so none of us really understands it. Because we don't understand it, if a Gorean does show up, we don't have anything helpful for them and they go away. So we still have no Goreans. And so forth.

I think rosco is using too many caveats for him to possibly be actually into Gor. Like he said, he's into male supremacy, which is actually the way most M/f relationships work...even if it's unspoken, it's still the case for most couples that the man is dominant simply because he is the man. So although rosco started the thread, I wouldn't really see him as an authority on Gor, simply because he doesn't buy into most of what makes Gor, Gor.

Maybe we should look into why we all scoff at Gor. For one thing, I kind of see it like Scientology - a big cult built up around a few crummy sci-fi novels. To me it's more like cosplaying 24/7 rather than having your own philosophy and theory behind your relationships.

But is Gor so bad? Surely we all use presentation positions, we just aren't quite as strict about them as Gor. And I know lots of us get into things that might not be considered SSC or RACK to the casual observer. While we might find this narrative a little over the top, surely this one will strike a chord with many people on here.

I don't think Gor is really that bad. It's kind of like the people who do community service while dressed as Klingons. Sure, we may look at them a little funny, and question the inspiration for their rituals, but they are harmless overall and as deserving of respect as anyone.

 

[intothewoods]

I don't think Gor is really that bad. It's kind of like the people who do community service while dressed as Klingons. Sure, we may look at them a little funny, and question the inspiration for their rituals, but they are harmless overall and as deserving of respect as anyone.

I don't know anyone who does community service while dressed as a Klingon, but this sounds exactly how I feel about Gor. It's not that bad, just weird and too ritualistic for me.

Ritual can be an excellent source of comfort for people. Maybe that's part of what Gor provides. I already get that in other aspects of my life, so yeah, it's basically in the category of trekkies or the SCA.

 

[Netzach]

I don't understand why I *should* get along with people who are basing their lives off a kind of fascist program. I mean I don't have to hit them over the heads with sticks, but a round of kumbaya is not forthcoming. If you want to argue that no no it's not fascist, just look up "blood and soil" and you'll be amused at the overlap.

Is there some reason I have to integrate with people who don't think I exist, don't think I have a right to exist and think that my entire existence is me lying to myself?

No, I'm kind of protective of the neat part of SM being that people *choose* to excercise their polarities or not, not that we're dumb pre-programmed animals close to nature. I'm very itchy whenever someone waxes poetic about how much truer they are to themselves than vanilla people or XYZ other people, and I dunno, this is the rallying cry of all Goreans I've ever met - we're more authentic to human nature.

I personally have no comfort level with people whether they're tree hugging Greens or Goreans saying "we want to be more tribal and primal, industrialization has sucked the fun out of everything." Probably because when Europeans get more primal I, genetically, have a disposition to get more dead.

I like synthetic fabrics too, as long as they're not scratchy.

Additionally this is the sound of RR's dick talking. He's too smooth and suave to make a separate thread for it.

 

[rosco rathbone]

You're right, it doesn't. And I don't mean to ruin the thread by being serious, but perhaps this is something we should look into. I think we have a self-perpetuating cycle here. There are no Goreans here, so none of us really understands it. Because we don't understand it, if a Gorean does show up, we don't have anything helpful for them and they go away. So we still have no Goreans. And so forth.

I think rosco is using too many caveats for him to possibly be actually into Gor. Like he said, he's into male supremacy, which is actually the way most M/f relationships work...even if it's unspoken, it's still the case for most couples that the man is dominant simply because he is the man. So although rosco started the thread, I wouldn't really see him as an authority on Gor, simply because he doesn't buy into most of what makes Gor, Gor.

Maybe we should look into why we all scoff at Gor. For one thing, I kind of see it like Scientology - a big cult built up around a few crummy sci-fi novels. To me it's more like cosplaying 24/7 rather than having your own philosophy and theory behind your relationships.

But is Gor so bad? Surely we all use presentation positions, we just aren't quite as strict about them as Gor. And I know lots of us get into things that might not be considered SSC or RACK to the casual observer. While we might find this narrative a little over the top, surely this one will strike a chord with many people on here.

I don't think Gor is really that bad. It's kind of like the people who do community service while dressed as Klingons. Sure, we may look at them a little funny, and question the inspiration for their rituals, but they are harmless overall and as deserving of respect as anyone.

The thread wasn't really meant to be a joke. I've been reading Gor Bords and I find it strange that I like a lot of their program except for maybe the essentials. Good post, etoile.

 

[rosco rathbone]

Additionally this is the sound of RR's dick talking. He's too smooth and suave to make a separate thread for it.

My fascist dick lol. Good post Netz.

 

[Netzach]

My fascist dick lol. Good post Netz.

My cunt is its own Reich. I'm down with the contradictions.

 

[Netzach]

I'm like some modern metrosexual, seinfeld-irony gorean

That was the sound of the three moons colliding and imploding, folks. You heard it here. Is this reform Gor, Gor for a modern age?

 

[intothewoods]

I don't understand why I *should* get along with people who are basing their lives off a kind of fascist program. I mean I don't have to hit them over the heads with sticks, but a round of kumbaya is not forthcoming. If you want to argue that no no it's not fascist, just look up "blood and soil" and you'll be amused at the overlap.

Is there some reason I have to integrate with people who don't think I exist, don't think I have a right to exist and think that my entire existence is me lying to myself?

No, I'm kind of protective of the neat part of SM being that people *choose* to excercise their polarities or not, not that we're dumb pre-programmed animals close to nature. I'm very itchy whenever someone waxes poetic about how much truer they are to themselves than vanilla people or XYZ other people, and I dunno, this is the rallying cry of all Goreans I've ever met - we're more authentic to human nature.

I personally have no comfort level with people whether they're tree hugging Greens or Goreans saying "we want to be more tribal and primal, industrialization has sucked the fun out of everything." Probably because when Europeans get more primal I, genetically, have a disposition to get more dead.

I like synthetic fabrics too, as long as they're not scratchy.

Additionally this is the sound of RR's dick talking. He's too smooth and suave to make a separate thread for it.

Snort. I forgot about the women are inferior part. Naturally inferior, right?

I don't know that much about Gor and have never met anyone into it.

 

[EmpressFi]

Snort. I forgot about the women are inferior part. Naturally inferior, right?

I don't know that much about Gor and have never met anyone into it.

my understanding, naturally inferior and can only dominate when a man gives them permission to do so... making submissive men lower than low

I dont know much about it, know of one person who roleplays Gor in a game I was playing, which was good and bad. Good in that when I mentioned to a friend that I was submissive, he didnt freak out, bad, in that he assumed that how the other guy (yes..guy playing female gorean slave) played his character was how all submissive should behave and decided to express his "concern" for me..

 

[ownedsubgal]

i kinda feel where Uncle Rosco is coming from. over the years i've learned that many of the beliefs and values under which my Master and i live are shared by many Goreans, to the point that quite a few people have oddly assumed we were so. like others have said, the main thing i don't get about Gor (and why i can't really take it seriously) is the whole sci-fi, dungeons and dragons roleplay vibe it has going. i don't understand the need to justify those basic philosophies (like male supremacy, females as property, etc.) with a bunch of fiction books and alien planets and whatnot. why not just say "this is the way it is and should be, period?" that's what my Master does anyhow. *shrug*

 

[Netzach]

Snort. I forgot about the women are inferior part. Naturally inferior, right?

I don't know that much about Gor and have never met anyone into it.

That's but a minor issue I have with it, actually. I have enough of a sense of reversal in my own life, where masculinity is NEVER really on top, that it just plays out as "fair's fair, they're just like you but not" on that level. I actually have a lot in common with hardcore male supermacist types and have gotten along OK with them, as long as it's clear that I'm NOT on the menu and they don't want me on the menu anyway. I think they enjoy my sadistic brain, as I do theirs.

It's more this roots yang/yin warrior culture morality OK, maybe on YOUR planet goofiness. Like we can transform our apartments into a circle of goatskin huts, and this is the best possible thing we can do. As you know, I have problem with goatskin-hut era values, it's why I didn't do so great in conservative temple.

I'm not into this regressive existence thing. I don't even like camping. For some people SM is sooo great and liberating because it feels old and primal and authentic - way to go, fine. For me, it's exciting because it feels like none of those things. It's tightly scripted, outlaw, and new.

Again, what it boils down to, is that I'm not sitting down at the SM campfire to sing kumbaya with people who reject my authenticity, I'll talk, I'll be polite, I'll even exchange ideas, but I'm not interested in full on integration - that's a plain idiotic expectation to put on a "community" whatever that means. Am I supposed to integrate with total homophobes just so I can feel more groovy and enlightened? You know, so I can hear about how stupid and wrong I am on a constant feed?

I'll be having a cocktail in the lounge with my worshipper if anyone at the primal bonfire wants me.

 

[Etoile]

I don't understand why I *should* get along with people who are basing their lives off a kind of fascist program. I mean I don't have to hit them over the heads with sticks, but a round of kumbaya is not forthcoming.

When I said we should examine why people on Lit scoff at Gor so much, I didn't mean we should all be forced to be friends with them. I was speaking more along the lines of "a segment of the kink community does not feel comfortable expressing themselves here, let's look at why." You don't have to post in their threads, you don't have to be friends with them, but shouldn't Lit be collectively more open-minded? I mean, why should those of us who are on here now be the ones to say "Gor is dumb, thou shalt not come here"? I think Lit is for everyone, and yet whenever somebody says Gor we all point and laugh.

 

[Etoile]

Snort. I forgot about the women are inferior part. Naturally inferior, right?

I don't know that much about Gor and have never met anyone into it.

Yeah, women are naturally inferior in Gor. It's not wholly anathema to the concept of sexual dimorphism - in many situations, women are inferior. They just take it to the Nth degree, on every level, where I don't think that's necessarily the case.

I think the more important part about what Netzach said, though, is that many Goreans DO think they are the cream of the crop. Kinkier than thou, holier than thou, etc. Us regular BDSMers are mere players, according to Goreans. And while I find that attitude revolting - the idea that Gor is somehow better than everything else - I haven't seen it being presented on the few occasions people have shown up wanting to talk about Gor. If they come on and want to tell us how wrong we all are for being "unaffiliated" kinksters, then sure, bitch them out. But usually people come here asking about Gor perfectly innocently, and they get the smackdown anyway. That's what grates my cheese.