Q's Conspiracy Round Up

[LukkyKnight]

I would like to know who conspired to allow gold lame be a good idea again.

That was the Nobel Prize committee, actually.

 

[Problem Child]

I finally convinced two of my co-workers of the sheer lunacy of the WTC "controlled demolitons" theory. It took the better part of a year, but they are now pretty much convinced it was impossible.

These are otherwise sane, productive people.

 

[Problem Child]

That was the Nobel Prize committee, actually.

MOTHERFREEKIN' COCKRIDERS!

 

[Moonlust]

That was the Nobel Prize committee, actually.

Figures...

Heyyyyyyyyyyy, when I googledimaged them, look who they're posing with...

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/11/images/20061130_v113006db-0032w-515h.jpg

Gold lame is totally Dick Cheney's fault; I should have guessed!

 

[killallhippies]

That was the Nobel Prize committee, actually.

more of the rightman's lies! have you no shame?

 

[shoulderblade]

I finally convinced two of my co-workers of the sheer lunacy of the WTC "controlled demolitons" theory. It took the better part of a year, but they are now pretty much convinced it was impossible.

These are otherwise sane, productive people.

We need sane productive people to keep the system going.

But, otherwise, the beat goes on.

Thanks.

 

[LukkyKnight]

Figures...

Heyyyyyyyyyyy, when I lame-imaged them, look who they're posing with...

Gold lame is totally Dick Cheney's fault; I should have guessed!

He's Obama's cousin, ya know?

 

[Moonlust]

He's Obama's cousin, ya know?

Ummm.

I also think that little blobman from the IKEA directions is out to torture people.
http://www.sowbug.org/mt/archives/ikea_assembly_instructions.gif

 

[LukkyKnight]

Ummm.

I also think that little blobman from the IKEA directions is out to torture people...

I sense your skepticism. I guess you missed the story.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21340764/
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/10/all-in-the-fami.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/10/17/wobama117.xml

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2007/10/17/wob.jpg​

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN1621534220071016?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7048325.stm

Turns out he's related to Bush, too.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10172007/news/regionalnews/dissing_cousins__obama__cheney.htm

 

[Moonlust]

I sense your skepticism. I guess you missed the story.

I guess we're all related, at some point or another. Thanks, I'm not a huge news person.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

I finally convinced two of my co-workers of the sheer lunacy of the WTC "controlled demolitons" theory. It took the better part of a year, but they are now pretty much convinced it was impossible.

These are otherwise sane, productive people.

This is what I can't get my head around, because I absolutely believe you. Otherwise normal people who you knew to be normal from your personal daily experience with them......and it took you nearly a fucking YEAR to get them to disembark from the spaceship!!

And I know your communications skills and logic to be straightforward and easy to follow just from these threads alone.

I disabused a co-worker of grassy knoll gunmen in the JFK assassination simply by pointing out the lack of exit wounds on the left side of Kennedy's head or any entrance wounds anywhere else on the body. But he was a bright kid and that only took 40 minutes. But he had lived with the distorted suspicion most of his life.

Your mates continued to cling to lunacy for months. I'll never understand the reluctance to admit that a prior held belief was simply wrong when there is nothing else at stake.

 

[Queersetti]

Yes there is.

Huge amounts of it.

The Zapruder film was edited anyway, and I wasn't referring to it.





.

No, there isn't.

You really are rather a dope, aren't you? *I* cited the Zapruder film, not you.


In other news:

Jack The Ripper was just some crazy bastard, he wasn't anyone famous.

Kurt Cobain killed himself. If Courtney had tried to kill him, she'd have fucked it up and just shot off his pinky toe or something.

OH, and you want a wacky conspiracy theory, check out The Phantom Time Hypothesis

 

[marshalt]

MLK- Well, in this case, I think the conspiracy theorists have a pretty strong case (The House Select Committee thought there was a conspiracy). At the very least, wealthy white supremacists funded Ray, possibly suspecting what he was planning, but not having specific knowledge.

From wikipedia

In 1997, Martin Luther King's son Dexter King met with Ray, and publicly supported Ray's efforts to obtain a retrial.[36]

In 1999, Coretta Scott King, King's widow, along with the rest of King's family, won a wrongful death civil trial against Loyd Jowers and "other unknown co-conspirators". Jowers claimed to have received $100,000 to arrange King's assassination. The jury of six whites and six blacks found Jowers guilty and that "governmental agencies were parties" to the assassination plot.[37] William F. Pepper represented the King family in the trial.[38][39][40]

King biographer David Garrow disagrees with William F. Pepper's claims that the government killed King. He is supported by King assassination author Gerald Posner.[41]

In 2000, the Department of Justice completed the investigation about Jowers' claims but did not find evidence to support the allegations about conspiracy. The investigation report recommends no further investigation unless some new reliable facts are presented.[42]

On April 6, 2002, the New York Times reported a church minister, Rev. Ronald Denton Wilson, claimed his father, Henry Clay Wilson—not James Earl Ray—assassinated Martin Luther King Jr. He stated, "It wasn't a racist thing; he thought Martin Luther King was connected with communism, and he wanted to get him out of the way."[43]

In 2004, Jesse Jackson, who was with King at the time of his death, noted:

“ The fact is there were saboteurs to disrupt the march. [And] within our own organization, we found a very key person who was on the government payroll. So infiltration within, saboteurs from without and the press attacks. …I will never believe that James Earl Ray had the motive, the money and the mobility to have done it himself. Our government was very involved in setting the stage for and I think the escape route for James Earl Ray.[44][45]

 

[Darktan]

People love conspiracies because the thought that the world is such a dangerously random place is a frightening thought. The realization that a single mentally unstable gunman can end the life of a president on a whim is too much. World changing events need meaning. They need order. There needs to be a reason. Conspiracies and men in black cloaks are a lot less frightening to the average person than the simple facts that life is random, chance rules our lives and, in the end, we really have no control.

 

[Queersetti]

People love conspiracies because the thought that the world is such a dangerously random place is a frightening thought. The realization that a single mentally unstable gunman can end the life of a president on a whim is too much. World changing events need meaning. They need order. There needs to be a reason. Conspiracies and men in black cloaks are a lot less frightening to the average person than the simple facts that life is random, chance rules our lives and, in the end, we really have no control.

Excellent observation.

 

[Problem Child]

Your mates continued to cling to lunacy for months. I'll never understand the reluctance to admit that a prior held belief was simply wrong when there is nothing else at stake.

Part of the reason that they persisted for so long was that I really didn't push the issue too hard with them, but in the last couple of months I've been challenging things they say, such as "everyone knows that those were controlled demolitions."
So I started going through it step by step:

Ok, so how long does it normally take professionals to rig say, a twenty story building for demolition?

"Weeks, even months."

How many men does it require?

"A dozen. Maybe dozens."

So multiply that number of man hours by a factor of ten for the WTC.

"Oh, I see what you're getting at."

How could they rig the WTC without anyone knowing?

"I don't know."

How could the bomb-sniffing dogs not detect the explosives?

"They pulled the dogs out!"

Yes, five days before. do you think they could have set all those charges in five days?

"I guess not. But it still looks like a demo job."

Does it really? How do CD buildings fall?

"In thier own footprint."

Yes, but don't they put explosives all through the buildings?

"Yes."

Did you see any evidence of explosions?

Yes, a few of the windows blew out.

Ok, let me ask you this: The windows are all closed, right?

"Yes."

So basically you have a sealed volume below the collapsing structure, right?

"Yes."

And as the volume of a sealed object decreased, the pressure inside increases, no?

"Yes."

Then don't you think the enourmous pressure building up inside that building from it collapsing on itself would be enough to blow out a few windows?

"I think so."

And whenever you watch one of those controlled demo videos, the buildings collapse at multiple points, right?

"Yes."

And did the WTC do that, or did it start where the planes hit and crush itself all the way down from that point? Did you see the buildings fail at any othe point besides just near the impact sites?

"No."

and on like that.

 

[Byron In Exile]

Of course there have been real conspiracies, the assassinations of Lincoln and Franz Ferdinand being obvious examples.

But, my theory is that more often, one or more faction in society, while not actually entering into a conspiracy before the fact, may have a vested interest in hiding information about the event in question, or in other matters that may be brought to light beause of the event, and therefore engage in coverups and misinformation to mask their peripheral involvement.

Examples:

JFK- Oswald was a lone nut, but he had been hanging around the fringes of the intelligence community for years and any number of people were afraid of what he might know. He had connections with both pro and anti-Castro organizations, and if he had gone to trial, might have given testimony that embarrassed powerful people. My conclusion is that Oswald acted alone, but that he himself may have been the victim of a conspiracy.

Oswald didn't kill JFK.

RFK- Strong evidence suggests that, while Sirhan acted alone, Kennedy's security staff panicked and bungled what should have been a manageable situation, and covered up some facts about the assassination in order to disguise that fact.

Strong evidence suggests that Sirhan didn't fire the bullet that killed RFK.

MLK- Well, in this case, I think the conspiracy theorists have a pretty strong case (The House Select Committee thought there was a conspiracy). At the very least, wealthy white supremacists funded Ray, possibly suspecting what he was planning, but not having specific knowledge.

I don't know enough about this to have an opinion, but it seems entirely possible.

Area 51- Have you noticed that the number of UFO sightings in the area dropped to near zero once the Air Force made knowledge of the Stealth Program public?

Scary stories for camping trips.

9/11- When the Intelligence community fucks up, it tries to cover it's ass. Does this surprise anyone?

The multitude of crazy theories about this remind me of the JFK "conspiracy theory" buffs.

OJ- The cops framed a guilty man.

I don't think there's really any controversy about that one, is there?

 

[fair_warning]

A conspiracy is made up of malcontents, each with the power, by discloser, to be contented.

Niccolo Machiavelli

Ok....but in this day and age what pay off do conspiracy theory proponents get?

Do they support these far fetched and improbable theories in an attempt to validate or make sense of some part of their own lives?

 

[Colonel Hogan]

In 2004, Jesse Jackson, who was with King at the time of his death, noted:

“ The fact is there were saboteurs to disrupt the march. [And] within our own organization, we found a very key person who was on the government payroll. So infiltration within, saboteurs from without and the press attacks. …I will never believe that James Earl Ray had the motive, the money and the mobility to have done it himself. Our government was very involved in setting the stage for and I think the escape route for James Earl Ray.[44][45]

Despite my general lack of affinity for Jesse Jackson, I've always had serious doubts about Ray acting alone even though I have never studied the case in detail.

 

[Queersetti]

Oswald didn't kill JFK.

Let's hear your theory.

 

[Queersetti]

Despite my general lack of affinity for Jesse Jackson, I've always had serious doubts about Ray acting alone even though I have never studied the case in detail.

The money trail is key. Ray was an unemployed ex-con, little more than a drifter, but he was flush with dough.

Now, he may have been robbing liquor stores or something, but there's no evidence of it. So where did he get the dough to fly to Montreal and London?

 

[Queersetti]

You know who wrote Shakespeare's plays?


Shakespeare.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

The money trail is key. Ray was an unemployed ex-con, little more than a drifter, but he was flush with dough.

Now, he may have been robbing liquor stores or something, but there's no evidence of it. So where did he get the dough to fly to Montreal and London?

Exactly. That is always what bothered me the most.

 

[Darktan]

You know who wrote Shakespeare's plays?


Shakespeare.

Then why did he add an extra 'e' to the spear part of his name? And copyright laws weren't exactly around back then. And how could a lone man without any ties to the Roman empire know so much about the assassination of Julius Caesar?

 

[Darktan]

No response, huh?

Looks like you're just another shill from the Roman Empire.