My Invention

[BlackShanglan]

Consider my post sort of an homage then.

Here's a carrot and some sugar cubes, tho. Better?

Ahh, there's little in life that those won't make better. Many thanks.

 

[Problem Child]

Ever hear of an Atmospheric Railway?

Have now, thanks to wiki.

 

[lushlucid]

You wouldn't really have to pay them...you could just offer free gym memberships. Interesting thought.

Exactly
But if no one is working out then there's no lights or air con or computer

 

[Moist_Mary]

Not sure about the specifics and I'm too lazy to confirm on my own. But I am quite sure you could never come close to generating the energy required just keep the light on in the place. Nice thought though.

I think a more likely concept would be to get the insurance companies to give you a rebate if you worked out. Say a dollar per day rebate on your health insurance premiums. Or even 10 cents a day off your life insurance premium. Much clearer benefit to life expectancy and reduced illness and health risks.

Interesting

 

[Bad_Doggie]

I think your only half way there.

Provided free porn and harness the output and be RICH, RICH, RICH!

Solve the energy crisis!

Woof!

 

[thør]

Turd,

You might peek at chapt 20 of the 2005 version of the ASHRAE Fundementals Handbook.

 

[TurdFergeson]

Voodoo economics at its finest. You should feel proud.


They get people to do this even without paying them. Good thing, cause at 50 watts / person, you can only pay them like half of cent per hour. Even Walmart does better than that. Not sure about Nike tho.

I just don't know if human-driven power generation devices would put out enough power to be worth it. Interesting thought, though, if you could work it so that the increasing resistence in higher-strength exercises was driven by the user working a stronger power-generating setup.

They seemed to work just fine in the Matrix. That should be proof enough it works.

At least as a proof of concept.

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Or anyway, you can't prove it WON"T work.

Exactly
But if no one is working out then there's no lights or air con or computer

Not sure about the specifics and I'm too lazy to confirm on my own. But I am quite sure you could never come close to generating the energy required just keep the light on in the place. Nice thought though.


Interesting

Turd,

You might peek at chapt 20 of the 2005 version of the ASHRAE Fundementals Handbook.

You all don't get it. The sole energy production of the people working out would be to convert common air to liquid nitrogen for storage.

The only problem to solve would be to find an extremely efficient nitrogen generating machine. This liquid N could then be slowly and steadily boiled off to run a powerful generator, which in theory would provide more power than needed to run the gym.

 

[Problem Child]

You all don't get it. The sole energy production of the people working out would be to convert common air to liquid nitrogen for storage.

The only problem to solve would be to find an extremely efficient nitrogen generating machine. This liquid N could then be slowly and steadily boiled off to run a powerful generator, which in theory would provide more power than needed to run the gym.

You'd be better of just storing what electricity you generated in batteries. Trust me on this. Like someone previous said, you wouldn't be able to keep the place lit. Not even close.

 

[hogjack]

Sure, technology once again eliminates the need for certain occupations.

What are water buffalo, oxen and yak supposed to do now?

 

[TurdFergeson]

You'd be better of just storing what electricity you generated in batteries. Trust me on this. Like someone previous said, you wouldn't be able to keep the place lit. Not even close.

I think they are wrong. How much actual drive shaft torque does a 5000 watt emergency generator produce at maximum RPM's?

I would think human power could easily turn such a drive shaft in a big electric motor/generator? Especially if geared correctly.

How can people run their homes on pure solar and wind power?

Batteries for backup could be used, too.

 

[BlackShanglan]

You all don't get it. The sole energy production of the people working out would be to convert common air to liquid nitrogen for storage.

The only problem to solve would be to find an extremely efficient nitrogen generating machine. This liquid N could then be slowly and steadily boiled off to run a powerful generator, which in theory would provide more power than needed to run the gym.

I get it. I just don't see the point in getting into a complicated and expensive setup that has yet to be invented when you could just buy a net flow meter and hook up to the grid. You sell during peak hours when all of the machines are in use, and you buy when you have to because your machines aren't in use. Just use the energy to create electricity. My only query is whether you'd create enough energy to make it worthwhile.

 

[TurdFergeson]

I get it. I just don't see the point in getting into a complicated and expensive setup that has yet to be invented when you could just buy a net flow meter and hook up to the grid. You sell during peak hours when all of the machines are in use, and you buy when you have to because your machines aren't in use. Just use the energy to create electricity. My only query is whether you'd create enough energy to make it worthwhile.

True, but you would need storage, for times when people weren't running the machines.

 

[Problem Child]

I think they are wrong. How much actual drive shaft torque does a 5000 watt emergency generator produce at maximum RPM's?

I would think human power could easily turn such a drive shaft in a big electric motor/generator? Especially if geared correctly.

How can people run their homes on pure solar and wind power?

Batteries for backup could be used, too.

You must have missed the part about an average person being able to generate 50 watts/hour during moderate exercise.

Now go google up how much wattage is required to liquify say, a liter of nitrogen.

 

[TurdFergeson]

You must have missed the part about an average person being able to generate 50 watts/hour during moderate exercise.

Now go google up how much wattage is required to liquify say, a liter of nitrogen.

50 watts/hour is pure human power, not machine assisted power generating capacity.

 

[Problem Child]

50 watts/hour is pure human power, not machine assisted power generating capacity.

You figure it all out and get back to us.

 

[BlackShanglan]

True, but you would need storage, for times when people weren't running the machines.

No, you wouldn't. That's the joy of the net use meter. You sell your extra to the electric company when you aren't using it, and you buy what you need when your machines aren't producing enough. You don't have to provide storage. In fact, in some states where green energy is paid for at a premium to encourage supply, you can buy cheaper than you sell.

 

[TurdFergeson]

You figure it all out and get back to us.

I've been thinking about it.

My first idea would be a "stepper" system, where gravity would do most of the work. The chunkier the person on the stepping machine, the more power it produces.

 

[TurdFergeson]

No, you wouldn't. That's the joy of the net use meter. You sell your extra to the electric company when you aren't using it, and you buy what you need when your machines aren't producing enough. You don't have to provide storage. In fact, in some states where green energy is paid for at a premium to encourage supply, you can buy cheaper than you sell.

True, true. But I figure why buy at all?

 

[BlackShanglan]

50 watts/hour is pure human power, not machine assisted power generating capacity.

The only way to get energy out of a machine is to put energy into it, and you always get less back out. If you could get more out than you put in, you could just plug it into itself, no? Any machine that exerts more energy than its human operator puts into it is drawing its energy supply from somewhere else.

 

[TurdFergeson]

The only way to get energy out of a machine is to put energy into it, and you always get less back out. If you could get more out than you put in, you could just plug it into itself, no? Any machine that exerts more energy than its human operator puts into it is drawing its energy supply from somewhere else.

True, like gravity. (see my above post)

 

[Problem Child]

I've been thinking about it.

My first idea would be a "stepper" system, where gravity would do most of the work. The chunkier the person on the stepping machine, the more power it produces.

So fat people produce more power simply because they're fat?

I think you might be on the verge of a breakthrough here...

 

[BlackShanglan]

True, true. But I figure why buy at all?

Because it's cheaper to do the buy/sell than it is to build your own containment and storage apparatus. If you're mostly producing more than you need, you're only going to buy a little; if you're not, then your model isn't likely to work anyway.

 

[TurdFergeson]

So fat people produce more power simply because they're fat?

I think you might be on the verge of a breakthrough here...

Yep, due to their mass.

lol

 

[TurdFergeson]

Because it's cheaper to do the buy/sell than it is to build your own containment and storage apparatus. If you're mostly producing more than you need, you're only going to buy a little; if you're not, then your model isn't likely to work anyway.

True enough, but I was also thinking you could sell excess liquid N to other people, industries, etc?

 

[Problem Child]

Yep, due to their mass.

lol

Instead of using fat people, why don't you just make any random group of people wear weight belts?