Jumping into the fire ... Should the entire Non-Con category be eliminated?

[cw5523729]

Totally unrelated post: why do some people sign their posts with their username at the bottom? Don't they know their username is already appended automatically? I never understood that.

 

[Cagivagurl]

Or perhaps you want to share with the class an example of a story on here glorifying rape? Since, I assume, there must be many, easily found.

I'm sure there are.
I read for pleasure, so never delve into the category.

 

[cw5523729]

I'm sure there are.
I read for pleasure, so never delve into the category.

Uh huh

 

[Off_base]

My point is...
If you write a story where the abuse is shown in a sexually gratuitous fashion, making it titillating... where the violence is used as arousing, exciting...
Then yes that is the difference...

Cagivagurl

Your Mc was definitely tittilated and aroused by her kidnapper.

Are we using the "well, yeah, but that's different" argument now?

 

[Cagivagurl]

Ahhhh, so your character "got something out of the assault" and, as such, that's why it's ok?

BTW, it's Stockholm Syndrome. I'm not sure many other people would use that as a justification for sexual assault and kidnapping, but you do you.

There was no sexual assault...
The female character was kidnapped... There was no sexual contact during her imprisonment...
At a later time after being released, the victim did begin a relationship with one of her kidnappers...

NO SEXUAL ASSAULT....

Cagivagurl

 

[cw5523729]

Your Mc was definitely tittilated and aroused by her kidnapper.

Are we using the "well, yeah, but that's different" argument now?

No, we are using the argument that he's male so: duh. Obvs.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

Ahhhh, so your character "got something out of the assault" and, as such, that's why it's ok?

BTW, it's Stockholm Syndrome. I'm not sure many other people would use that as a justification for sexual assault and kidnapping, but you do you.

There is actually some debate over Stockholm Syndrome being a real thing, it isn't in the DSM for instance.
Apparently in the namesake case it had more to do with the captives deciding that the cops were incompetent clowns who didn't care if they lived than actually liking their captors. Kind of a lesser of two evils situation.
YMMV

 

[cw5523729]

There was no sexual assault...
The female character was kidnapped... There was no sexual contact during her imprisonment...
At a later time after being released, the victim did begin a relationship with one of her kidnappers...

NO SEXUAL ASSAULT....

Cagivagurl

Ah, so if she sleeps with her kidnapper after being released, it's ok? Got it. I retract everything I said.

 

[MythicMind]

And rules changed accordingly to disallow non-con in all forms?

I would say no based on the following:

1) These are stories that people need to seek out in order to read. No one accidentally or involuntarily reads a non-con story here.

2) The entire point of erotica is to live out fantasies that we cannot experience in real life.

3) Every genre will have its haters, which means that cannot be the standard. The standard should either be near-universal disapproval (and I'm sure you can imagine one or two genres that would qualify) or else be demonstrated to increase risk of real harm. Non-con does not meet either standard.

Just my opinion.

 

[cw5523729]

There is actually some debate over Stockholm Syndrome being a real thing, it isn't in the DSM for instance.
Apparently in the namesake case it had more to do with the captives deciding that the cops were incompetent clowns who didn't care if they lived than actually liking their captors. Kind of a lesser of two evils situation.
YMMV

Uh oh, hopefully @Cagivagurl doesn't see this post.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

Ah, so if she sleeps with her kidnapper after being released, it's ok? Got it. I retract everything I said.

Thousands of basement dwellers have suddenly realized they can kidnap her, then let her go after she falls in love with them... then it's happily ever after!

 

[cw5523729]

Back when I was young, I played PacMan and ever since then, I've had a life long hatred of ghosts. I put sage all over my house and invested in a ghost trapper I bought on Etsy to catch all of the bastards.

Oh, and I'm addicted to Reese's Pieces now but I'm not sure if that's related. I blame ET for that.

 

[Cagivagurl]

Your Mc was definitely tittilated and aroused by her kidnapper.

Are we using the "well, yeah, but that's different" argument now?

No, I don't ask for anything I've written to be treated differently to anybody else...
There was no sexual connection during her kidnapping...
The victim felt an attraction to the kidnapper who treated her kindly...

As I said earlier in the thread, if you believe that story crossed a line, then report it. Or ask me to delete it and I will...

Cagivagurl

 

[cw5523729]

Thousands of basement dwellers have suddenly realized they can kidnap her, then let her go after she falls in love with them... then it's happily ever after!

Why does it have to be a basement dweller? Kidnappers can live in first and second floor apartments too, you know. That's stereotyping.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

Back when I was young, I played PacMan and ever since then, I've had a life long hatred of ghosts. I put sage all over my house and invested in a ghost trapper I bought on Etsy to catch all of the bastards.

Oh, and I'm addicted to Reese's Pieces now but I'm not sure if that's related. I blame ET for that.

I don't know... Clyde seemed nice.

 

[cw5523729]

I don't know... Clyde seemed nice.

That's exactly what I'd expect a ghost apologist to say

 

[Kelliezgirl]

Why does it have to be a basement dweller? Kidnappers can live in first and second floor apartments too, you know. That's stereotyping.

No self respecting kidnapper lives in a second floor apartment. You never want to carry a drugged woman wrapped in a rug up a flight of stairs.

Or so I've been told.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

That's exactly what I'd expect a ghost apologist to say

You can't blame me, it's Ghostholm Syndrome!

 

[cw5523729]

No self respecting kidnapper lives in a second floor apartment. You never want to carry a drugged woman wrapped in a rug up a flight of stairs.

Or so I've been told.

Duh. Everyone knows they take them out into a shack in the woods. That's kidnapper 101.

Oh, uh, or so I've been told.

#totallynotakidnapper

 

[Lifestyle66]

No self respecting kidnapper lives in a second floor apartment. You never want to carry a drugged woman wrapped in a rug up a flight of stairs.

Or so I've been told.

And unless they plan to ask her to walk up the basement stairs afterwards, I'd think it's obvious the average kidnapper chooses to live on a first floor apartment or one-story house.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

My point is...
If you write a story where the abuse is shown in a sexually gratuitous fashion, making it titillating... where the violence is used as arousing, exciting...
Then yes that is the difference...

You have no control over who gets aroused or titilated by what you write. This is what you refuse to understand.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

And unless they plan to ask her to walk up the basement stairs afterwards, I'd think it's obvious the average kidnapper chooses to live on a first floor apartment or one-story house.

Well apparently they are in love with you when you let them go, so it's tots ok to let them walk out under their own power.

 

[Off_base]

No, I don't ask for anything I've written to be treated differently to anybody else...
There was no sexual connection during her kidnapping...
The victim felt an attraction to the kidnapper who treated her kindly...

As I said earlier in the thread, if you believe that story crossed a line, then report it. Or ask me to delete it and I will...

Cagivagurl

I'm sorry to put this so bluntly,
But,
Does this mean that if a rapist treats a victim with kindness, the victim might later fall for them, making everything not so icky?

 

[M_K_Babalon]

This showed up in my email this morning as a suggested thread for r/doordash_drivers

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@Kelliezgirl

I thought about door dashing, but I've heard enough horror stories about the customers as well. I feel like it'd be worse than when I drove a cab. But I need to do something.

 

[cw5523729]

Well apparently they are in love with you when you let them go, so it's tots ok to let them walk out under their own power.

Would they walk out though? Wouldn't they be too smitten to leave their kidnapper?

Or are they required to leave so it isn't assault?

"I'm sorry, but you must leave us now. If you don't, then this kidnapping is titillating and wrong. See you on Saturday."