The I’m not giving up ‘but’ thread

[EmilyMiller]

while the actual crux of the problem remains unaddressed.

Thing is, none of us CAN address the problem…

Why, man, he doth bestride the narrow world
Like a Colossus, and we petty men
Walk under his huge legs and peep about
To find ourselves dishonorable graves

 

[onehitwanda]

Why, man, he doth bestride the narrow world
Like a Colossus, and we petty men
Walk under his huge legs and peep about
To find ourselves dishonorable graves

I hope he's wearing clean underwear is all I'm going to say on the matter.

 

[AwkwardMD]

If favouritism/whitelisting/bribery exists then explain why 2 out of 5 of my recent stories pass in 48 hours while the rest remain in purgatory

It's a bug, not a feature

Purgatory, Publish, Purgatory, Purgatory, Publish being the Pattern

I used to receive rejections when I first started, but don’t think I’ve received 1 for circa 90+ submissions is that enough to curry favour or not?

Without a full accounting and without knowing Laurel's criteria, yes. I would think you qualify. That doesn't make you exempt from a bug.

Or is it just a nonsense concept started by **** flingers?

Well, the specific concept of whitelists was introduced to this conversation by me, so... it depends on who you ask.

All of my upcoming submissions follow a chronology so that’s why I’m backing away as I cannot afford the hit and miss of the above publishing run rate.
I cannot trust the process and therefore the service Lit is presently offering.

Akin to arguing over who sprays the hose whilst your house burns down please do continue to squabble amongst yourselves while the actual crux of the problem remains unaddressed.

The administrative silence on recent issues is deafening. I wish that was different.

 

[Off_base]

On a maybe related note, or not. None of the numerous comments I've posted on stories I've read, have been approved since Monday. I'm assuming it's all part of a collection of the things already discussed, but it's new for this week.

Update, two of my story comments from Monday posted this morning, several others still haven't.

 

[cw5523729]

please do continue to squabble amongst yourselves while the actual crux of the problem remains unaddressed.

Not to be blunt, but I think I speak for everyone when I say that we all assumed your thread was simply a rant rather than an attempt to get the problem fixed. Since, well, none of the other billion threads and people that posted that exact same gripe got their stuff posted as a result of bitching about it. But maybe you thought yours would go differently?

 

[Dark_Logan_]

Exactly @EmilyMiller I can’t personally fix a broken bridge if I want to drive over it. Therefore if I have to wait… then so be it

I’d just expect a few updates on when that bridge is likely to be fixed, or an acknowledgment that it’s known to be broken.

I don’t think that would be too much to expect

 

[cw5523729]

I don’t think that would be too much to expect

Too much to expect? No.

Does that mean it'll happen? Also no.

 

[Dark_Logan_]

@cw5523729 yes this is all about me… thanks for being the first to notice

You are also very brave to speak on the behalf of everyone in an online forum

 

[AwkwardMD]

@cw5523729 yes this is all about me… thanks for being the first to notice

You are also very brave to speak on the behalf of everyone in an online forum

You're losing the high ground quickly. Nobody, at any point, suggested you aren't justified in being upset. We're all just quibbling over how we got here and what it means

EDIT: actually, I maybe suggested early on that your frustration is unwarranted, and I stand by that. 60 days in pending happened to me, years ago, and all this "I've been waiting for 10 days rage rage rage" or whatever seems... premature.

Nobody else is saying that (likely because nobody else waited patiently for 60 days)

 

[EmilyMiller]

Exactly @EmilyMiller I can’t personally fix a broken bridge if I want to drive over it. Therefore if I have to wait… then so be it

I’d just expect a few updates on when that bridge is likely to be fixed, or an acknowledgment that it’s known to be broken.

I don’t think that would be too much to expect

<Zoe>I don't disagree on any particular point</Zoe>

 

[Kelliezgirl]

In the meantime one of the most popular writers on here submitted a novel just yesterday and will be published in the next few days. Good for them, really, but at some point does it look like favoritism on the part of LitE?

How are you defining "popular"?

 

[StillStunned]

I hope he's wearing clean underwear is all I'm going to say on the matter.

Any underwear, really. Well, except perhaps a thong.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

Then we've got a hypothesis. It's a testable prediction. IF it is true that a whitelist exists on the site, THEN we should be able to do X and get result Y. So for example, IF it is true that a whitelist exists, we should be able to have both Emily and me submit identical stories and Emily should be published first. I am so new, I have no track record. 3 stories and a poem is not enough to decide if I am a generally rule abiding person.

All of that is to say, I think you used the word theory correctly. I just think we need a better word for that first type I mentioned because just giving it a capital T when we talk about it is not nearly enough to distinguish the two.

As someone mentioned before, in this case, whitelisting and favoritism look exactly the same.

You speak of X and Y, but as you can see, no one knows what that X is. If there were clear criteria for getting into a whitelist, if there were ANY transparency on this website for a change, then you'd be right. But there isn't. We are just throwing random speculation here, all of us.

I've never broken a single rule on this website, never had a story taken down for any reason. Never had any AI-related rejection. And I have published stories that predate AI. Should I be on the whitelist? Who knows. It's impossible to tell when we don't know the criteria.

Once again, @Laurel and @Manu 's silence (and I'm tagging them on purpose, even though they won't reply) is stirring conflict here.
It's ridiculous to accuse any author here of buying their way into Laurel's good graces or anything like that. When Em told us that her chapters were processed superquickly, I congratulated her, and I really meant it. I am truly happy for her. Writing stories takes so much time and effort, and we are so eager to see them published.

So really, good for her and for some others whose stories go through so fast. It's not their fault that they are on a whitelist, as silly as that sounds, assuming one exists.
My point is, be happy for them when people get published quickly, and empathize with them when they don't. We are all on the same side.

Once again, there's only one guilty party here, one that won't reply to tags, PMs, and withholds information about literally everything.

 

[cw5523729]

How are you defining "popular"?

More popular than the unpopular people

 

[Kelliezgirl]

More popular than the unpopular people

Ahhh.... that makes perfect sense.

 

[cw5523729]

Once again, @Laurel and @Manu 's silence (and I'm tagging them on purpose, even though they won't reply) is stirring conflict here.

Yeah, that part is strange. It seems like one of them could easily post:

"Hey, we get a shit-tonne of submissions. It takes time and sometimes shit happens and we miss some. Sorry."

 

[TheWritingGroup]

I'm an SRE. My job exists because people are unable to learn from other people's pain.

Site Reliability Engineer? I seem to recall you saying you're an engineer.

That would be a cool job.

--Annie

 

[AwkwardMD]

Yeah, that part is strange. It seems like one of them could easily post:

"Hey, we get a shit-tonne of submissions. It takes time and sometimes shit happens and we miss some. Sorry."

Or "Hey guys we've been running all this on an access database we ported in from excel in 2007, and we're finally putting it in a SQL database. There might be some hiccups! Please be patient!"

 

[cw5523729]

Ahhh.... that makes perfect sense.

Please note: this doesn't apply to the one person who falls exactly in between the popular and unpopular, assuming there are an odd # of authors. That guy (or girl) is extra special.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

Yeah, that part is strange. It seems like one of them could easily post:

"Hey, we get a shit-tonne of submissions. It takes time and sometimes shit happens and we miss some. Sorry."

Larry the Gerbil, who powers the submission functions via an electrical generator attached to his hamster wheel has been a little under the weather lately...

 

[Kelliezgirl]

Please note: this doesn't apply to the one person who falls exactly in between the popular and unpopular, assuming there are an odd # of authors. That guy (or girl) is extra special.

At least that's what their Mom says... in the backseat...

 

[cw5523729]

Larry the Gerbil, who powers the submission functions via an electrical generator attached to his hamster wheel has been a little under the weather lately...

Oh, you mean him?



Look, they even tried giving poor Larry caffeine to keep him going. I hope the ASPCA doesn't find out.

 

[IWroteThis]

We aren't the customers. Or at least, we are a tiny minority of the customers. The readers are the ones the site can't afford to upset too badly.

True, we are not. However, we are the suppliers.

Running a business requires two things. Something to sell and someone to buy it. Sure, losing your customers is the quickest route to going out of business, but losing your suppliers is second.

It's the same misconception as when people think the low rating removal sweeps are about helping the writers rather than raising the perceived value of the site's content.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

Oh, you mean him?

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Look, they even tried giving poor Larry caffeine to keep him going. I hope the ASPCA doesn't find out.

Those are DECAFS!!!! We've discovered the problem!

 

[cw5523729]

Those are DECAFS!!!! We've discovered the problem!

Plot twist!!!