Fuck The Farmers.

No. I didn't vote for Trump or for Biden. They're both war criiminals. .

No shit. Every damn president has been accused of this. Look, I can tell you that I don’t like the likes of you. If you didn’t vote Harris your false equivalence ass helped enable what’s going on now.
 
No shit. Every damn president has been accused of this. Look, I can tell you that I don’t like the likes of you. If you didn’t vote Harris your false equivalence ass helped enable what’s going on now.
I was never anywhere close to voting for Harris. Green party votes don't belong to you.

Yes, I enabled what's going on, and there's plenty more where that came from. I didn't vote for Trump, but I'm happy to watch him destroy your political party, and I'm delighted that he's doing it.

I welcome your contempt. Your political allies are going to be remembered as direct accessories to genocide. To quote a great Democrat from before your party became the disgusting, repellent stillbirth that it is now, I embrace your hatred. I consider it a gift.
 
You’re a hot mess. All over the place with your dumb opinions. I liked you better when you were silent.
I think I seem all over the place because I actually know something about politics, but none of the posters I've encountered so far here this morning has a clue. You're all caught up in low-grade in-group politicking. That's why informed content looks free-floating to you. It's also why you lose all the time.
 
I was never anywhere close to voting for Harris. Green party votes don't belong to you.

Yes, I enabled what's going on, and there's plenty more where that came from. I didn't vote for Trump, but I'm happy to watch him destroy your political party, and I'm delighted that he's doing it.

I welcome your contempt. Your political allies are going to be remembered as direct accessories to genocide. To quote a great Democrat from before your party became the disgusting, repellent stillbirth that it is now, I embrace your hatred. I consider it a gift.

Ohhhhhh. You’re a Muslim in Dearborn Michigan who hated Biden for Gaza but felt that trump would do better. Again… you gotta beef with every American president then but you’re a very special kind of stupid if you think anything trump would make things better.
 
I think I seem all over the place because I actually know something about politics, but none of the posters I've encountered so far here this morning has a clue. You're all caught up in low-grade in-group politicking. That's why informed content looks free-floating to you. It's also why you lose all the time.

Fucker you ain’t said shit.
Did you not see me say already how unfocused you are?! Goddamn 🙄
 
Ohhhhhh. You’re a Muslim in Dearborn Michigan who hated Biden for Gaza but felt that trump would do better. Again… you gotta beef with every American president then but you’re a very special kind of stupid if you think anything trump would make things better.
Trump's destruction of your political party is going to improve the United States significantly, although he has adopted enough democratic party policies that his presidency will be a net negative. At least that's my read on it.

This whole thread is about how liberal Americans hate their own farmers. You're doomed to step on rakes forever with strategies like this, no matter what your opposition is. You've made your own farmers your enemy. Obnviously you're going to lose. There's no point even feeling any kind of way about it. Your political party has been infiltrated by people who seek to destroy it. That's why you're constantly pursuing self-destructive strategies that make everyone around you hate you. You're being set up by people within your own party. The reason they're doing this to you is that they want the real ideals the party used to represent--equality and equity, better wealth distribution, post-racial society--they're training the American people to treat these ideas with contempt. And you're playing into it with this lesser-evil stuff.

I don't know what all this islamophobic stuff about Muslims in Michgan is meant to accomplish. Obviously I'm not a muslim in Michigan. You have a very peculiar way of communicating. The fact no one normal knows what pro-war liberals are talking about from one moment to the next is yet another reason you and your political allies are permanently fucked.
 
Fucker you ain’t said shit.
Did you not see me say already how unfocused you are?! Goddamn 🙄
I'm focused on your political party's pointless wars and other crimes against humanity and the consequences of these acts. I don't think you'll be able to find a sentence I've posted that's not essentially about that. You on the other hand are bringing muslims and michigan and every American president (there's that anti-Americanism again, you can't hide it) and throwing a bunch of shit against the wall to see what sticks.

Your political party's failed wars and genocidal war crimes have been, in fact, far worse than your predecessors'. If anything, they've been more poorly executed, which means you haven't been able to evade responsibility for the crimes against decency and humanity that your party has committed.
 
Trump's destruction of your political party is going to improve the United States significantly, although he has adopted enough democratic party policies that his presidency will be a net negative. At least that's my read on it.

This whole thread is about how liberal Americans hate their own farmers. You're doomed to step on rakes forever with strategies like this, no matter what your opposition is. You've made your own farmers your enemy. Obnviously you're going to lose. There's no point even feeling any kind of way about it. Your political party has been infiltrated by people who seek to destroy it. That's why you're constantly pursuing self-destructive strategies that make everyone around you hate you. You're being set up by people within your own party. The reason they're doing this to you is that they want the real ideals the party used to represent--equality and equity, better wealth distribution, post-racial society--they're training the American people to treat these ideas with contempt. And you're playing into it with this lesser-evil stuff.

I don't know what all this islamophobic stuff about Muslims in Michgan is meant to accomplish. Obviously I'm not a muslim in Michigan. You have a very peculiar way of communicating. The fact no one normal knows what pro-war liberals are talking about from one moment to the next is yet another reason you and your political allies are permanently fucked.

Left leaning members are describing their disgust with farmers for how they vote.
RW’s are expressing their disgust for farmers.

I can’t help you if you can’t distinguish the difference.
 
I can’t help you if you can’t distinguish the difference.
I don't think people are going to bother to parse why it is exactly that you and your ilk are telling American farmers to go fuck themselves. They're going to respond instinctively to that kind of messaging, and that's why that's the kind of messaging Democratic handlers encourage people like you to propagate. The Democratic party's leadership hates its own voters I'd say roughly as much as Republicans do. After all, your party is run by rich war-pigs. Aside from your lesser-evil vote, it's not like you have anything to offer that they want. Except maybe your warm body on a battlefield if it comes to that. So whenever they can, they'll feed you talking points that will surreptitiously make the people around you hate you more.

You know why they called it the "Pied Piper" email? Why they came up with that image to talk about their own constituency? What did the Pied Piper lead around, what sort of creature?

Think about it. Or don't.
 
I don't think people are going to bother to parse why it is exactly that you and your ilk are telling American farmers to go fuck themselves. They're going to respond instinctively to that kind of messaging, and that's why that's the kind of messaging Democratic handlers encourage people like you to propagate. The Democratic party's leadership hates its own voters I'd say roughly as much as Republicans do. After all, your party is run by rich war-pigs. Aside from your lesser-evil vote, it's not like you have anything to offer that they want. Except maybe your warm body on a battlefield if it comes to that. So whenever they can, they'll feed you talking points that will surreptitiously make the people around you hate you more.

You know why they called it the "Pied Piper" email? Why they came up with that image to talk about their own constituency? What did the Pied Piper lead around, what sort of creature?

Think about it. Or don't.

I won’t. I don’t encourage the dnc to bend over and cater to racist farmers in Iowa either. 3rd party dimbfuks pop here from time to time on the high horse but they are fleeting as you will be and as your ideas are as well. Rant on with your principles that don’t change shit but sure do help undermine American democracy.
 
I won’t. I don’t encourage the dnc to bend over and cater to racist farmers in Iowa either. 3rd party dimbfuks pop here from time to time on the high horse but they are fleeting as you will be and as your ideas are as well. Rant on with your principles that don’t change shit but sure do help undermine American democracy.
I do think i'll probably not hang around here long. If there was an interesting conversation to be had here, it likely would have happened by now.

If you keep doing the same thing, you'll keep getting the same results. That's why you can go ahead and deliberately refuse to think about what the Democratic party has been doing to you, and you can refuse to think about the fact that you've been cornered into accusing people of having "principles" like it's an insult. That's your party that's maneuvered you into this doomed ideological positioning, not me.

What sort of "democracy" is it exactly that you think I'm undermining? The 2008 election cost a billion dollars, and every election since then has cost more. These are auctions, not elections, and using the word "democracy" when referring to them is an insult to the concept.

Your political party exists to do one thing: push wars on the American people. That's why you have to use the word "democracy" as a bludgeon. That's why you're offended by people with principles. Because your party is using you to accomplish one thing and one thing only, and once it's done extracting everything it can get from you to get its wars out of you, it's going to discard you. That's in the process of happening already.
 
I do think i'll probably not hang around here long. If there was an interesting conversation to be had here, it likely would have happened by now.

If you keep doing the same thing, you'll keep getting the same results. That's why you can go ahead and deliberately refuse to think about what the Democratic party has been doing to you, and you can refuse to think about the fact that you've been cornered into accusing people of having "principles" like it's an insult. That's your party that's maneuvered you into this doomed ideological positioning, not me.

What sort of "democracy" is it exactly that you think I'm undermining? The 2008 election cost a billion dollars, and every election since then has cost more. These are auctions, not elections, and using the word "democracy" when referring to them is an insult to the concept.

Your political party exists to do one thing: push wars on the American people. That's why you have to use the word "democracy" as a bludgeon. That's why you're offended by people with principles. Because your party is using you to accomplish one thing and one thing only, and once it's done extracting everything it can get from you to get its wars out of you, it's going to discard you. That's in the process of happening already.

Green Party voters are dumb and stupid as long as America has a two party system. You’ve had plenty of chances to explain your position and you haven’t. Instead, you found the time to be critical of one and giving no real pushback on the other. That’s typical of the other members claiming Green Party independence. Even if you could describe your position for voting green you have nada none no wins or change in politics to tout. What’s your name again? I’ve already forgotten you.
 
I do think i'll probably not hang around here long. If there was an interesting conversation to be had here, it likely would have happened by now.

If you keep doing the same thing, you'll keep getting the same results. That's why you can go ahead and deliberately refuse to think about what the Democratic party has been doing to you, and you can refuse to think about the fact that you've been cornered into accusing people of having "principles" like it's an insult. That's your party that's maneuvered you into this doomed ideological positioning, not me.

What sort of "democracy" is it exactly that you think I'm undermining? The 2008 election cost a billion dollars, and every election since then has cost more. These are auctions, not elections, and using the word "democracy" when referring to them is an insult to the concept.

Your political party exists to do one thing: push wars on the American people. That's why you have to use the word "democracy" as a bludgeon. That's why you're offended by people with principles. Because your party is using you to accomplish one thing and one thing only, and once it's done extracting everything it can get from you to get its wars out of you, it's going to discard you. That's in the process of happening already.


Here’s my official stance. It’s more substantive than anything I’ve ever heard from your elk and I’ve repeatedly said to the previous idiots such as yourself:

I’m frustrated with libertarians, green partiers, and independents. IMO, money is the obstacle for a 3rd party and that manifests itself in money being a legalized form of speech, corporations considered as people, and no foreseeable plan for campaign finance reform. This suffocates appealing to your constituents. One of the two parties advocates for this though, yes, both reap corporate donations.
Rank choice voting is, imo, the most immediate and viable way for those with alternative voices to gain influence. I’ve seen no republican keen to this type of voting or a change in our monetized voting system. So, instead of trying to build from the bottom up and be crushed, as a democrat, I suggest those with an independent streak use the already established D party. Be a parasite. The process may be slow but take a cue from Christian conservatives and the federalist society and have a long term plan as they did for the Supreme Court. None of the things greenies or independents want to accomplish have a starting point or welcoming ear in the Republican Party. Leech off of the Democratic Party or continue off in the distance being a fallen tree in the forest. Here, on this board and in the public body, it is quite apparent being contrarian for the sake of selfishness is better than actually getting anything done.
 
Voting green!🙄
You’re more of a pawn to the system than any democrat or gullible shit magat farmer for that matter.
 
I don't think people are going to bother to parse why it is exactly that you and your ilk are telling American farmers to go fuck themselves. They're going to respond instinctively to that kind of messaging, and that's why that's the kind of messaging Democratic handlers encourage people like you to propagate. The Democratic party's leadership hates its own voters I'd say roughly as much as Republicans do. After all, your party is run by rich war-pigs. Aside from your lesser-evil vote, it's not like you have anything to offer that they want. Except maybe your warm body on a battlefield if it comes to that. So whenever they can, they'll feed you talking points that will surreptitiously make the people around you hate you more.

You know why they called it the "Pied Piper" email? Why they came up with that image to talk about their own constituency? What did the Pied Piper lead around, what sort of creature?

Think about it. Or don't.
It appears Trump and Xi have agreed on a 4 year deal on soybean purchases. Farmers should look into transitioning into other products. Expand their product base for future stability.
 
It appears Trump and Xi have agreed on a 4 year deal on soybean purchases. Farmers should look into transitioning into other products. Expand their product base for future stability.

Or… Or… And this might sound crazy! They could stop voting republican. Then the foods they labor hard to make could go to people in other countries through USAID or to Americans in need through SNAP and they would get the added bonus of being paid by the US government and not be dependent on say China or Argentina and any wackadoodle treaty made by the orange doofus. I know - crazy!
 
Or… Or… And this might sound crazy! They could stop voting republican. Then the foods they labor hard to make could go to people in other countries through USAID or to Americans in need through SNAP and they would get the added bonus of being paid by the US government and not be dependent on say China or Argentina and any wackadoodle treaty made by the orange doofus. I know - crazy!
It called free market trading and capitalism. Handing out freebeeze is not. USAID and Snap are two of the must corrupt programs in existence.
 
It called free market trading and capitalism. Handing out freebeeze is not. USAID and Snap are two of the must corrupt programs in existence.

I think I made my point. American farmers are ignorant/naive/stupid to the circle of life of their goods.
Speaking of the circle of life, how’s the wife? How old are your biracial daughters now? May you live long enough to see some beautiful grand babies.
 
I think I made my point. American farmers are ignorant/naive/stupid to the circle of life of their goods.
Speaking of the circle of life, how’s the wife? How old are your biracial daughters now? May you live long enough to see some beautiful grand babies.
Soar high with the other galactically stupid.
 
More like trump is taking credit for restoring something he tore down and is bringing it back or trying to. How much damage was done to the American farmer the last 10 months? Cost?

Far less than continuing the terrible "fuck America" deals that Democrats love and want back.
 
It appears Trump and Xi have agreed on a 4 year deal on soybean purchases. Farmers should look into transitioning into other products. Expand their product base for future stability.
Our current President has removed markets for nearly every single farm product being sold and is currently buying beef from Argentina.

Farmers aren't the issue here.
 
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