The AH Coffee Shop and Reading Room 09

[Candy_Kane54]

That is beautiful! Where is that? It kind of reminds me of Letchworth.

It's Taughannok Falls on the west side of Cayuga Lake.

 

[Duleigh]

It's Taughannok Falls on the west side of Cayuga Lake.

My dad used to take us camping there when we were kids! Then he realized that it was cheaper to clear our own spot and go camping in my grandfathers forest near Springville NY about 40 miles south of Buffalo. (That forest constantly pops up in my stories and novels)

 

[Duleigh]

Ugh! What a day... some "Ar-teest" came to me and offered to create a comic book or web comic using my sci-fi novel Alan Scarlett and the Scarlett Virus as the script. He made a quick outline of what his script would look like and we discussed the need to stay true to the characters and the 1950 atmosphere of the story. I said, "Sure... I want 35% sales and advertising."

He said, "You misunderstand, you pay me to illustrate your book."

I replied, "Wait, you come to me, asking me if it was ok for you to illustrate a published, copyrighted novel so you turn around and publish it and you want me to pay for that honor? Dude, I've probably sold more copies of that book than you've sold illustrations total. Now I want 45% sales and advertising, and top billing on the cover."

"But wait..."

That ended the conversation.

 

[Rustyoznail]

Really need an eye roll emoji...

 

[Duleigh]

Like this?

 

[NotWise]

Ugh! What a day... some "Ar-teest" came to me and offered to create a comic book or web comic using my sci-fi novel Alan Scarlett and the Scarlett Virus as the script. He made a quick outline of what his script would look like and we discussed the need to stay true to the characters and the 1950 atmosphere of the story. I said, "Sure... I want 35% sales and advertising."

He said, "You misunderstand, you pay me to illustrate your book."

I replied, "Wait, you come to me, asking me if it was ok for you to illustrate a published, copyrighted novel so you turn around and publish it and you want me to pay for that honor? Dude, I've probably sold more copies of that book than you've sold illustrations total. Now I want 45% sales and advertising, and top billing on the cover."

"But wait..."

That ended the conversation.

There's friction between authors and illustrators. My daughter had a long-standing interest in illustrating children's books, and found that the general advice was to never work for a self-published author. Only work for the publisher. The problem as the artists saw it was that authors generally don't realize that it will takes more work to illustrate a story than it takes to write a story.

If you want to put out an illustrated story, a graphic novel, or anything similar, you can expect to pay the artist for the work. They'd be foolish to do all that work for a percentage of what could turn out to be nothing.

 

[Duleigh]

If you want to put out an illustrated story, a graphic novel, or anything similar, you can expect to pay the artist for the work.

The thing is that I never wanted to put out an illustrated story, he did, and he chose my book to illustrate. If I had gone to him I could see that point, but he chose an established work to break into the comic writing industry. This isn't Japan, the Manga industry is nothing like over there.

 

[iwatchus]

expect to pay the artist for the work. They'd be foolish to do all that work for a percentage of what could turn out to be nothing.

But isn't that exactly the same proposition for any self published author? They do a large amount of work they may or may not get anything from.

If the artist is the one proposing the project based on existing IP, the artist should either take all the risk or share the risk with the author, which is what Duleigh proposed.

I agree if the author is the driver for the project, they should assume the bulk if not all of the risk (and th potential reward)

 

[NotWise]

But isn't that exactly the same proposition for any self published author? They do a large amount of work they may or may not get anything

Doing that work and taking the risk is the author's choice. As near as I can tell, very few self-published authors make much off that choice, but it's their choice.

A writer might find an artist who's willing to buy into their work, do several times as much work as the author did, and share the risk, but that isn't the general case--especially if they don't have ownership of the final product or any say over marketing and promotion.

I don't know how the guy presented his proposal to Duleigh, but it turned out that he was proposing to sell a service, not to buy into the work. That was probably the sane thing for him to do.

 

[Duleigh]

Not sure why I didn't see this before today (I was probably wearing VA glasses) I was fiddling around in My Home/My Activities and at the bottom of strangely empty pages it showed

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Looks like a DB Cleanup has been in progress

 

[Duleigh]

but it turned out that he was proposing to sell a service

Yes, but he saved that nugget of info for the end of his pitch. Through the start of it he made it sound very collaborative, so I named my price, and he got his nose bent out of shape. He came to me looking to use my work in his comic book. Maybe if he started with "Would you like me to illustrate your book for the low low price of..." instead of "We can work together and develop a webcomic..." How he came to me?
He haunts Literotica looking for work.

 

[Rustyoznail]

Like this?

Should be part of the standard drop down list.

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

Author didn't approach the Artsy Fartsy to create illustrations to add to a story.

Artsy Fartsy approached Author wanting to use their work in new media, not of the Author's origination.

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

The problem as the artists saw it was that authors generally don't realize that it will takes more work to illustrate a story than it takes to write a story.

Author creates the work, the characters, the world, the storyline.


Illustrators transforms those words to drawings.

 

[sirhugs]

time for coffee. The pot is on, and the kettle for the ta crowd. Plus carrots for the bunny crowd.