The government shuts down. Another spectacular MAGA failure.

[SkyBubble]

You're doing again exactly what you're denying.

 

[JohnEngelman]

This is just bizarre and completely not true. Deficits are always the result of excessive spending. There is no other cause.

When the government spends more than it brings in, there are only three ways it can make that up:

1. Tax the crap out of people until the economy sinks.
2. Borrow (too often from bad actors like China), which simply results in deferring the deficit as well as dryign up credit
3. Just print money. Make it up out of nothing, backed by nothing. Increase the money supply. That's inflation.

Or they can do a combination of all three. All three are bad for the economy.

Both parties have spent us into oblivion, though on slightly different things, and that's why we're $35 trillion in debt. As the late Howard Phillips (my former boss) used to put it:

When the Democrats are in charge, it's as if you're in a car going off a cliff at 100 miles per hour. At least the Republicans drive the speed limit. But you're still going off the cliff. We need to turn the car around.

Money is a commodity. If one day there were 10% more pencils in the world than the day before, each pencil would be worth less. If there were suddenly more cars or computers or pizzas, each one would be worth less. It's the same with these things called dollars. When you just blindly create more of these things called dollars, each dollar is worth less and therefore buys less.

It's not a tax problem; it's a spending problem. Always has been.

When you tax something, you get less of it. When you subsidize something, you get more of it. Taht's why lower taxes grow the economy, as Coolidge, JFK, Reagan, Bush, and Trump all experienced.

And the more money you redistribute, the less you have to redistribute. Even as far back as the Pilgrims, when the product of one person's labor was given to another person who did little or no labor, those people stopped producing as much.

The solution is to stop the government from spending so much.

 

[dmallord]

China is trying to dominate the world and subvert and undermine us to take over our spot as the world's leading superpower. They're essentially at war with us, though thankfully there's been no shooting so far. The left is fine with China doing that.


The left doesn't give an actual crap about American farmers. And if there's no market for their crops, then the market suggests that we have more farmers than we need. We need to end farm subsidies.

Trump is to tariffs what an arsonist is to matches — he wields them for show, then feigns surprise when the blaze spreads beyond his control.

You say China is trying to dominate the world, yet Trump’s erratic tariff crusade has done more to strengthen its position than weaken it. One day, he boasts that we’re “doing very well with China,” and the next, he declares an economic war. He can’t tell whether he’s negotiating, retaliating, or just posturing — and that confusion has cost American farmers their markets.

Let’s be honest: the left supported and bailed out farmers long before Trump turned their fields into collateral damage. His trade war drove China to other suppliers, leaving U.S. crops to rot in silos. That’s not the art of the deal — that’s the anatomy of failure.

Subsidy reform is worth discussing, but it requires a measured transition, not a reckless swing of the axe. Trump manufactured the farm crisis and then used taxpayer dollars to patch it over for political convenience. That isn’t an economic strategy; it’s political arson disguised as leadership.

The sooner Trump is held accountable, the better off Americans will be. That accountability begins with Congress reigning him in. Now, what are the chances of that miracle happening?

 

[dmallord]

Again, MONEY IS FUNGIBLE. It's not as if they keep separate Federal accounts. Once the money is transferred, strings or not, there's really not a way to control it.

Wrong again. Like a fungus, you continue to grow even when the light is shown on your errors. There are controls. You don't want to know that because it doesn't support your trumpian belief.

 

[dmallord]

You're doing again exactly what you're denying.

Still don't know how to use that reply button? Who are you addressing?

 

[dmallord]

https://paragoninstitute.org/medica...p-paying-for-medicaid-for-illegal-immigrants/

Wow. No wonder your brain hurts. It believes so much disinformation.

 

[stxjimmy]

You know nothing about sarcasm.

You know nothing about Scandinavia or medicine, your posts are right wing bluster, go away.

 

[YDB95]

Trump is to tariffs what an arsonist is to matches — he wields them for show, then feigns surprise when the blaze spreads beyond his control.

I don't think he's feigning surprise.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Data and experience prove you wrong, but maybe if you just keep stating it like it's a fact, it will become one. That's what your cult believes.

Go ahead and feel free to cite that data and experience.

 

[Chadrone]

There is not a single dollar going to healthcare for illegals, .

Then why are the Democrats SO upset about the funding for illegals getting pulled???

You dopes never learn to source your memes before looking foolish.

We are the memers, the left can't meme, they don't have the creativity for it.

 

[Chadrone]

Wow. No wonder your brain hurts. It believes so much disinformation.

Yes anyone who's not buying 100% into the blataintly collapsing and failing "progressive" leftist narrative believes in "so much disinformation" yet the people who claim that all the time are somehow totally fucking wrong about everything they've said for the last 10 years. Hmmmm maybe the FAILURES that can't stop FAILING AT EVERYTHING should maybe consider THEY are the misinformed ones???

Oh no, they are too smug and arrogant to EVER consider their own shit stinky besides you guys are too busy trying to convince everyone it smells like roses to anyone who's not a NAZI!!!!! you forgot to check for yourselves??? That's probably the more common scenario.

 

[LeahWill]

Yes anyone who's not buying 100% into the blataintly collapsing and failing "progressive" leftist narrative believes in "so much disinformation" yet the people who claim that all the time are somehow totally fucking wrong about everything they've said for the last 10 years. Hmmmm maybe the FAILURES that can't stop FAILING AT EVERYTHING should maybe consider THEY are the misinformed ones???

Oh no, they are too smug and arrogant to EVER consider their own shit stinky besides you guys are too busy trying to convince everyone it smells like roses to anyone who's not a NAZI!!!!! you forgot to check for yourselves??? That's probably the more common scenario.

Should have read -

'Yes, anyone who's not buying 100% into the blatantly collapsing...'

 

[DeluxAuto]

Fucking clown show.

 

[dmallord]

Then why are the Democrats SO upset about the funding for illegals getting pulled???

They aren't. The funding for the millions that are being pulled is not for them. You should be better informed, but your hate/bias blinds you to that information.

We are the memers, the left can't meme, they don't have the creativity for it.

Right-side memes are not creative. From what I see of them, they are no more than middle finger gestures in visual form. Care to share one you've created?

 

[Rotadom]

Then why are the Democrats SO upset about the funding for illegals getting pulled???

That's never been what they are upset about, ignorant .

We are the memers, the left can't meme, they don't have the creativity for it.

Weird.

 

[mstrman]

It's a requirement for doctors to treat those in need before demanding proof of citizenship, .

I never said that doctors shouldn't treat patients. However, it is also not a federal government requirement to provide them with insurance.

 

[Rotadom]

I never said that doctors shouldn't treat patients. However, it is also not a federal government requirement to provide them with insurance.

No one is trying to give illegals health insurance. It's literally not part of it.

Aren't you tired of being lied to by racist s?

 

[dmallord]

Should have read -

'Yes, anyone who's not buying 100% into the blatantly collapsing...'

Ahem. We all fat-finger words or occasionally use phonetic spellings. As a matter of courtesy, we tend to overlook punctuation, spelling, and most grammatical errors in this forum, since the educational levels of posters can sometimes be lacking, but their intent to rant isn't. We try to focus on the content, or lack thereof, to criticize them. In this case, the content is 'blataintly' lacking as well.

 

[RoryN]

Is open now?

 

[SkyBubble]

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That meme was posted before. it's wrong. Spending is the problem. And we're five for five on tax cuts increasing revenue over the longer haul (a decade or so) because they increase incentives to make money and thereby grow the economy.

Listen to President Kennedy's speech to the Economic Club of New York in 1962. It's a brilliant exposition of how that works.

When you tax something, you get less of it.

A rising tide lifts all boats.

 

[SkyBubble]

No one is trying to give illegals health insurance.

False. In 11 statees and DC, they already get it, and even though it's officially state money, a portion of it comes from the Feds, and the Democrats want to maintain and expand that.

 

[SkyBubble]

Subsidy reform is worth discussing

We need to end subsidies. It's not het government's job to tax us to subsidize private businesses, nor to pick winners and losers.

 

[SkyBubble]

Go ahead and feel free to cite that data and experience.

I posted links.

 

[DeluxAuto]

I posted links.

Do it again. Please. Right here. Links that back up exactly what your said.

 

[JohnEngelman]

That meme was poste before. it's wrong. Spending is the problem.

Fortunately, most Americans disagree with you.

AI Overview

Opposition to specific cuts
Although Americans support general spending cuts, they oppose reductions to specific programs:

• Health programs: Majorities oppose significant cuts to Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security. For example, 84% oppose cuts to Social Security, 79% to Medicare, and 76% to Medicaid.
• Health agencies: A May 2025 KFF poll found that most of the public opposes major cuts to health agencies like the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and National Institutes of Health (NIH).

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AI Overview


Multiple polls conducted in 2025 indicate that a majority of Americans support raising taxes on the wealthy and corporations, but opinion differs by political party and the type of tax proposed
. A recent Gallup poll also found that taxing the rich is the most popular way to address the growing federal debt.

Recent 2025 polling data

• Support for higher taxes: In a survey conducted by the Pew Research Center in early 2025, a majority of Americans (63%) favored raising taxes on large corporations, and 58% supported raising rates on household income over $400,000

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