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[PersonalFavors]

Meeting in Alaska is irony. Alaska was not only purchased the czar of the day made the offer to the US.
As for Ukraine, they declared their own independence in the absence of the USSR or Russian State. Boris Yelson did approve of the independence. Pretty sure Putin never did. Trump is not going to fight him for it. Simply trying to end the fighting. I do not blame the Ukrainian Jews and Russians to want to remain independent. Retain their resources. If need be, let them fight and we can sanction the hell out of them and those they do business with until Putin does become reasonable.
As long as he uses "cease fire" as a bargaining chip he is not done fighting. Putin will accept any land surrendered, but that will only limit fighting. As soon as the lines are drawn they exceed them and claim Ukraine has. Same as hamas in Gaza. They have no business being there.
The quickest end to the conflict is to stop sending Ukraine money and weapons. Or join the fight. No one wants to fight for Ukraine. The historic value is pretty much wiped out. And the Russian method of fighting is to wipe out all the educated people first. Dispel the rest. Afghanistan will never be the same. Was a flourishing country before the Russians killed the educated and blew up the trees. Its a desert now. Once was beautiful. Self sustaining. Eventually the US sent enough weapons to have Russia leave. But to what gain?
I hate to see the remaining border countries helpless. But I don't see him stopping anything. We need to find a way to sanction such that the Russian population will wonder why they suffer. Not all Russians are expansionist.

 

[Biglibido99]

murkoski bleats she feels cheated

Despite claiming the bill wasn't fit, wasn't ready, wasn't good, she voted for it anyway after being offered carveouts... she hoped Congress would make the changes she felt the bill required to be fit for service. Now, after it was voted through without changes, and finding out what she thought she'd bargained for at the expense of the rest of America wasn't what Alaska was actually getting, she feels cheated:





this woman really, really needs to step away

Really dumb bitch

 

[dmallord]

Meeting in Alaska is irony. Alaska was not only purchased the czar of the day made the offer to the US.
As for Ukraine, they declared their own independence in the absence of the USSR or Russian State. Boris Yelson did approve of the independence. Pretty sure Putin never did. Trump is not going to fight him for it. Simply trying to end the fighting. I do not blame the Ukrainian Jews and Russians to want to remain independent. Retain their resources. If need be, let them fight and we can sanction the hell out of them and those they do business with until Putin does become reasonable.
As long as he uses "cease fire" as a bargaining chip he is not done fighting. Putin will accept any land surrendered, but that will only limit fighting. As soon as the lines are drawn they exceed them and claim Ukraine has. Same as hamas in Gaza. They have no business being there.
The quickest end to the conflict is to stop sending Ukraine money and weapons. Or join the fight. No one wants to fight for Ukraine. The historic value is pretty much wiped out. And the Russian method of fighting is to wipe out all the educated people first. Dispel the rest. Afghanistan will never be the same. Was a flourishing country before the Russians killed the educated and blew up the trees. Its a desert now. Once was beautiful. Self sustaining. Eventually the US sent enough weapons to have Russia leave. But to what gain?
I hate to see the remaining border countries helpless. But I don't see him stopping anything. We need to find a way to sanction such that the Russian population will wonder why they suffer. Not all Russians are expansionist.

A bit more irony is that Russia sold Alaska because it was strapped for money after fighting the Crimean War in the mid-eighteenth century. It's interesting that Putin is now strapped for funds because of seizing the same territory again and expanding that conquest into an unsustainable war. 'Deja vu all over again.'

Perhaps we should buy more of Russia after the dust settles.

 

[Lazaran]

We need to find a way to sanction such that the Russian population will wonder why they suffer. Not all Russians are expansionist.

Ukraine gave DonOld “TACO” Trump the opportunity to impose financial sanctions on Russia (of course “TACO” didn’t follow through).



Now Ukraine is sanctioning Russia themselves.



Slava Ukraini!!!

 

[JohnEngelman]

Let's untangle this proposal and check the pros and cons. Below is an overview. I'd appreciate your help in other aspects. Thank you in advance.

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Positive Tax Changes (Supporters' Perspective)​

1. Extension of 2017 Tax Cuts
   The bill extends the provisions of the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, which are set to expire at the end of 2025. This extension is intended to maintain lower tax rates for individuals and corporations.
2. Increased SALT Deduction Cap
   The state and local tax (SALT) deduction cap is raised from $10,000 to $40,000, potentially benefiting taxpayers in high-tax states.
3. Defense Spending Boost
   An additional $150 billion is allocated for defense spending, which supporters argue strengthens national security.

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When will Republicans learn that cutting taxes while raising military spending raises the national debt? They should have learned that during the Reagan administration.

 

[PersonalFavors]

A bit more irony is that Russia sold Alaska because it was strapped for money after fighting the Crimean War in the mid-eighteenth century. It's interesting that Putin is now strapped for funds because of seizing the same territory again and expanding that conquest into an unsustainable war. 'Deja vu all over again.'

Perhaps we should buy more of Russia after the dust settles.

Oh God no. Ukraine will be affordable once the dust settles. Don't tempt the man. Greenland is enough, unless Canada is interested in freedom.

 

[PersonalFavors]

dmallord said:


Let's untangle this proposal and check the pros and cons. Below is an overview. I'd appreciate your help in other aspects. Thank you in advance.

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Positive Tax Changes (Supporters' Perspective)​

1. Extension of 2017 Tax Cuts
   The bill extends the provisions of the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, which are set to expire at the end of 2025. This extension is intended to maintain lower tax rates for individuals and corporations.
2. Increased SALT Deduction Cap
   The state and local tax (SALT) deduction cap is raised from $10,000 to $40,000, potentially benefiting taxpayers in high-tax states.
3. Defense Spending Boost
   An additional $150 billion is allocated for defense spending, which supporters argue strengthens national security.

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When will Republicans learn that cutting taxes while raising military spending raises the national debt? They should have learned that during the Reagan administration.

I see the clock still ticking. However, this site has not added the income from tariffs. Which is considerable at this point, even before the formal negotiated or past the negotiation tariffs kick in.
I think there were additional changes in the bill that were positive. I also feel that there were many detractors that got very negative items tacked onto the bill in order to promise their vote.
I also am very disappointed they stopped here. There is much not done that needs to be. DOGE skipped some key FED's too. DHS for one. DHS needs to be reigned in since Obama let Nepolitano grow it into the unmitigated monster it remains today. Bush created it to increase communication between departments and where possible aggregate licensing to reduce costs. Obama turned it into a money laundering operation. DOGE never took a look.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Good article in the WSJ today explaining what the Trump tax cuts mean to middle class taxpayers. It illustrates realistic paths to zero federal income taxes starting in 2026 using examples of a married couple earning $100,000 with two children; a single waitress with one child; and a senior couple with several sources of income.

While many Americans have seen headlines about the OBBB, most probably haven’t calculated what it means to their own personal situations. There are some really sweet provisions in the bill that millions of middle class Americans will find pleasantly surprising when they prepare their 2026 tax returns in early 2027.

https://www.wsj.com/personal-financ...a7195?st=fnTAbF&reflink=article_copyURL_share

 

[MajorRewrite]

The BBB Tax & Spend Bill includes huge (bigly yuuuuuge) payments/bribes to Crooked Donnie’s loyal MAGA farmers and ranchers starting next year.

Crooked Donnie is going to give them a few billion this year to tide them over.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

OBBB Example 1:

A married couple makes $100,000, including some overtime pay, and they have two children under age 13. They have pretax payroll deductions for retirement savings, healthcare and child care.

 

[MajorRewrite]

When will Republicans learn that cutting taxes while raising military spending raises the national debt? They should have learned that during the Reagan administration.

Yeah, Crooked Donnie and his MAGA sheep don’t use the “D words” unless a Democrat is in the White House.

Mentioning deficits or the national debt may get you indicted by the DoJ.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

OBBB Example 2

A single waitress with a 14-year-old makes $58,500, including $12,000 in tips.

 

[PersonalFavors]

OBBB Example 2

A single waitress with a 14-year-old makes $58,500, including $12,000 in tips.

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In a way it could backfire like when Hillary was senator. She provided the illusion of more income by reducing witholdings. When tax time came the tax was the same but there was no refund. The people that believed in her felt duped.
And they had spent all the “extra” money.
Trump is actually reducing the tax expense. It is still up to the user to save that difference.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

In a way it could backfire like when Hillary was senator. She provided the illusion of more income by reducing witholdings. When tax time came the tax was the same but there was no refund. The people that believed in her felt duped.
And they had spent all the “extra” money.
Trump is actually reducing the tax expense. It is still up to the user to save that difference.

Yes. Taxpayers should always consider how withholding will impact them when they file their returns.

 

[ll74]

Yes. Taxpayers should always consider how withholding will impact them when they file their returns.

Homan didn't consider that

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

OBBB Example 3: A married senior couple, each 66 years old, has nearly $100,000 in income from a pension, Social Security, part-time work and investments.

 

[heathrowinneo]

Good article in the WSJ today explaining what the Trump tax cuts mean to middle class taxpayers. It illustrates realistic paths to zero federal income taxes starting in 2026 using examples of a married couple earning $100,000 with two children; a single waitress with one child; and a senior couple with several sources of income.

While many Americans have seen headlines about the OBBB, most probably haven’t calculated what it means to their own personal situations. There are some really sweet provisions in the bill that millions of middle class Americans will find pleasantly surprising when they prepare their 2026 tax returns in early 2027.

https://www.wsj.com/personal-financ...a7195?st=fnTAbF&reflink=article_copyURL_share

While those scenarios list what is made and can be deducted, they do not address the cost of tariffs, borne either by the importer or the consumer. Average effective tariff rate in August is about 18%.

While the bbb provides relief on one hand, tariffs hurt the consumer on the other. And deficits are still a huge problem.

 

[Meekly_Anna]

While those scenarios list what is made and can be deducted, they do not address the cost of tariffs, borne either by the importer or the consumer. Average effective tariff rate in August is about 18%.

While the bbb provides relief on one hand, tariffs hurt the consumer on the other. And deficits are still a huge problem.

That's how it is when you do propaganda. You have to gloss over a few key details.
It won't be long before he says that you're not seeing the big picture and that everything is actually completely different and much better. As the experts say.

 

[heathrowinneo]

That's how it is when you do propaganda. You have to gloss over a few key details.
It won't be long before he says that you're not seeing the big picture and that everything is actually completely different and much better. As the experts say.

Agree. The economy is a complex system that is misunderstood when looking at one or two variables and misses other key components. I chose consumption since that is what most average Americans do with their income, consume. While one tax may go down, the other goes up. Tariffs are a tax on consumption.

 

[DeluxAuto]

100k federal workers are walking out tomorrow.

 

[PersonalFavors]

100k federal workers are walking out tomorrow.

That would be awesome if they did. Are these "federal workers" Government Employees or Contractors? Either one will walk at their own peril. Essential employees can face all kinds of reprimands. Others will simply forfeit their jobs.

 

[PersonalFavors]

While those scenarios list what is made and can be deducted, they do not address the cost of tariffs, borne either by the importer or the consumer. Average effective tariff rate in August is about 18%.

While the bbb provides relief on one hand, tariffs hurt the consumer on the other. And deficits are still a huge problem.

Where is this "tariff rate"? Prices have been falling off bidens extreme inflation debacle. With prices going down how are you calculating an 18% increase? On what? We must have options as I don't feel any new increases.

 

[heathrowinneo]

Where is this "tariff rate"? Prices have been falling off bidens extreme inflation debacle. With prices going down how are you calculating an 18% increase? On what? We must have options as I don't feel any new increases.

https://budgetlab.yale.edu/research/state-us-tariffs-september-4-2025

https://www.theglobalstatistics.com/current-tariffs-in-the-united-states/

There are other sources as well.

 

[DeluxAuto]

That would be awesome if they did. Are these "federal workers" Government Employees or Contractors? Either one will walk at their own peril. Essential employees can face all kinds of reprimands. Others will simply forfeit their jobs.

You're an incoherent idiot.

 

[PersonalFavors]

https://budgetlab.yale.edu/research/state-us-tariffs-september-4-2025

https://www.theglobalstatistics.com/current-tariffs-in-the-united-states/

There are other sources as well.

So you have nothing but some hate papers.