Workplace Loyalty is Dead

[HisArpy]

I'm also sexier in drag.

For old cowboys, being dragged up isn't what you're thinkin'.

 

[AlexBailey]

I'm also sexier in drag.

I’d bet you’re as cute as Harpy.

 

[AlexBailey]

Yes, international forum users. You’re seeing the American healthcare system described right here by fiscal conservatives:

Get rich or don’t get sick.

 

[HisArpy]

I’d bet you’re as cute as Harpy.

Hay now... Let's not go there. Everbody knows my feathers is perfection personified.

 

[glamorilla]

Yes, international forum users. You’re seeing the American healthcare system described right here by fiscal conservatives:

Get rich or don’t get sick.

for the national forum users who currently have workplace insurance it might be a nice idea to research what you're getting for what you pay. Don't just look at the information your job provides you. Go directly to the providers to see if they have any plans that may be better or more economical for you. in the case of dental benefits learn the difference between actual insurance and discount services that are "insurance like" with a low cap. you might be employed by honest people...but you might find yourself surprised to see youre paying more for something you could get less on your own.

for the international forum users: stay the fuck out.

 

[rushman1uk]

I had a business and would try and keep my employees happy (just under 100). But whatever you did, there was always a small minority that wanted more. I lost a major contract and kept the employees for the time being whilst I was trying for other contracts. Sadly they didn't materialise but the company that got my major contract were struggling (lack of skills & machinery) and approached me about selling my business! They offered more than it was worth, so i naturally sold with the assurances that no staff were laid off for at least 12 months. I heard from some that they realise how good they had it working for me, compared to the current employer.
I'm glad I'm out, I now work part time in a different profession, more to get me out the house and keep me sane lol. I go in, do my hours and leave without the worries of running the place!

 

[DraggonStone]

And AT&T's CEO Just Made It Official.....

It's an interesting read, and a fascinating insight into how AT&T CEO John Stankey sees his employees. Basically, slaves who need to work their asses of for nothing but a paycheck.' The old quid pro quo where you worked for the company and went above and beyond when needed, and in return the company was loyal to you has been put to bed for all to see. It's not every day that a CEO's 2,500-word response to an employee engagement survey goes viral but this one did. AT&D did an engagement survey and Stankey apparently didn't like the results and lashed out at his frustrated employees. The article itself is good, the memo by Stankey is revealing....he's basically making it very plain that all the longheld norms around workplace loyalty are gone.....

Stankey says his workers deserve a transparent career path, a functional office, and the proper tools to do their jobs - but a funcional office and the tools are all givens that aren't even worth a mention. As for a transparent career patth, I've been working 12 years and I've never seen that. Every promotion or change I've got in 12 years has been because I applied for another job and changed employers. LOL.

Personally, I don't see anything new here. It just articulates it and makes it plain that as an employee, you gotta say fuck the company, what's in it for me, and do whatever you need to do to secure the job skills, training, experience and whatever else you need to go find that next job and move sideways for more money, or upwards, or out and into something new, depending on your own goals. Which is what I do. As an employee, forget loyalty, forget doing what's best for the company - do what's best for you personally and if that conincides with the employers goals, thats fine. But always put numero uno first. Skipping vacation time? Forget it? Extra hours? Don't be silly. Take work home? You gotta be kidding me.

I have to say, in 12 years I've seen enough really good people terminated due to "cost reductions" and all the other bullshit that now I tell newbies to start looking for another job as soon as they have 2 years under their belt, and plan to change jobs at least once every 4 years. As soon as you stay too long, you start to get into a rut and and if you're aid off, it becomes harder and harder to find a new job the longer you sit there. I've averaged one job every 3 years and right now I am looking around for the next one after almost 3 years in the same employer and role. Time to move......THAT is what Stankey is basically saying should be the norm.

Works for me, but it's really not what a lot of people want, is it, and I see it as being detrimental to society overalll. How nay people can live with that kind of instability?

Stankey says a lot of things that make sense, and he's putting the company first and foremost, which after all, is his job, but there's a tradeoff between the company and employee's, and Stanket throws a lot of whats meaningful to many employees out the window. To me, all that means is, any employee has to put their own interests first all the time. And no one should be committed to remaining with any employer longer than 3-4 years max. Thats my take anyhow. What do you guys think.

https://www.businessinsider.com/att...il-employee-feedback-survey-rto-policy-2025-8

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/car...S&cvid=bc5f6b99df7644518422aa742b317d5d&ei=36

The article seems to about professional employees and ignores the working poor. I don't consider myself a part of any clique or community but I recently started a thread to educate people about the millions of people who fit that category but no one seemed to be interested. Most people who post here believe that they already know everything.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

I had a business and would try and keep my employees happy (just under 100). But whatever you did, there was always a small minority that wanted more. I lost a major contract and kept the employees for the time being whilst I was trying for other contracts. Sadly they didn't materialise but the company that got my major contract were struggling (lack of skills & machinery) and approached me about selling my! They offered more than it was worth, so i naturally sold with the assurances that no staff were laid off for at least 12 months. I heard from some that they realise how good they had it working for me, compared to the current employer.
I'm glad I'm out, I now work part time in a different profession, more to get me out the house and keep me sane lol. I go in, do my hours and leave without the worries of running the place!

I miss my old business kinda like a dose of the clap.

 

[ll74]

When stock prices are more important than your employees, then employees don't matter

 

[Rightguide]

She’s here in the US.

You are out of touch with reality. They treated her. Now she owes the hospital more than a year of her current salary.

Yes it’s true that a hospital cannot turn away a patient in a life threatening situation - they didn’t. What they did do was provide the minimum care required to stabilize her condition, then bill her at the uninsured rate which happens to be more than they would charge an insurance company who gets a pre negotiated price.

When someone can’t pay their bills the hospital passes the cost to other patients.



My wife works in homeless services. She has several elderly widows as clients whose husbands died after long and withering illnesses that exceeded their insurance coverage. They lost their homes and are now on the street or in shelters.

US fuckin’ A

Then I'm not out of touch with "reality."

 

[ll74]

Then I'm not out of touch with "reality."

Your entire reality is based on your hatred of the left. If something doesn't fit that bias, you're likely not considering it

 

[Rightguide]

Your entire reality is based on your hatred of the left. If something doesn't fit that bias, you're likely not considering it

Please, next time, pull your pants down and relieve yourself in private.

 

[ll74]

Please, next time, pull your pants down and relieve yourself in private.

Did you think of that one yourself or did your Mom make it up for ya?

 

[Baztrachian]

I lost my sense of loyalty to a job early on.

The reality is that you are just a human resource to these people. Something to be used and discarded at will and at whim.

 

[ChloeTzang]

I lost my sense of loyalty to a job early on.

The reality is that you are just a human resource to these people. Something to be used and discarded at will and at whim.

And anybody who loses sight of that is out of tpuch with reality. You get guys like someone above who run smaller business and care for their employees, but for the big companies you're just a peg in a slot. They'll pay ip service to it of they need to, but really, when the want to cut costs or downsize, out you go, and it doesn't matter in the slighest how long you've worked for them or hw many unpaid extra hours you put in or any shitlike that. You're gone. Personally, I job hop. I stay a minimum 1 year, preferably 2, and at 2 years I start looking for the next one, and I milk them for all the training and benefits I can get. What I've done the last couple of hops is write in to the job offer a couple of courses I want to do and their committment to pay for them LOL. I don't plan to stay, so I make sure I take ALL my vacation time, and I happily max out sick days and any other days off I can get - time off in liey of overtime is a good one - and I make sure I bill for my overtime as well. And my benefit plan covers my husband so we max the benefits as much as possible as well.

I have absolutely NO sense of loyalty - that extends as far as my next paycheck. LOL. I have no illusions about the company I work for. I do enjoy my work tho.

As for medical insurance and benefits in the US, it sucks and it's gettuing worse. Say what you will about assassinations, but I'd still buy Luigi a coffee. He did a good deed that day.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

I have a chance to do another business starting in a couple of years. Meanwhile, I have a decent job. I'm still kicking ass and not taking names, but I don't want a promotion. I have this assignment right where I want it - pay, stipend, bonus(es), and a decent 401 thingie match. Insurance is great, and cheap. This will see me from Here to There.


And if something incredibly st000pid happens there, I'd have no qualms about walking on the spot.

 

[HisArpy]

As for medical insurance and benefits in the US, it sucks and it's gettuing worse. Say what you will about assassinations, but I'd still buy Luigi a coffee. He did a good deed that day.

No he didn't. He committed not only a wrong but gave evil yet another key to the lock against violence by society.

Worse, the response isn't going to be lowering costs. Instead it's going to result in an increase in costs and insurers develop even more in-house security and pass those costs onto consumers.

Then they will raise rates just to punish us.

 

[Baztrachian]

As for medical insurance and benefits in the US, it sucks and it's gettuing worse. Say what you will about assassinations, but I'd still buy Luigi a coffee. He did a good deed that day.

Chloe, the assassination didn't help anyone.

The root problem with medical insurance is medical insurance itself. The system enables and encourages ever increasing health care costs. It also tacitly encourages fraud in the form of insurance funds being charged by providers for services patients never received or overcharged for what they did receive.

And there isn't a good solution for this issue aside from eliminating all insurance programs and bringing back pay-as-you-go.

It is a similar paradigm with education costs. The introduction of Federal student loans directly facilitated higher costs and the solution to ending the higher costs is the elimination of the loan program that subsidizes the higher costs.

Anytime you throw money at a problem you'll always find that the money is never going to be enough.

Killing the people administrating the problem doesn't solve the problem.

Eliminating the problem solves the problem.

 

[icanhelp1]

I’d bet you’re as cute as Harpy.

Geez! I don't recall Harpy claiming he was cute at all.

 

[icanhelp1]

I lost my sense of loyalty to a job early on.

The reality is that you are just a human resource to these people. Something to be used and discarded at will and at whim.

It seems the larger a company gets, the more people it manages and the farther management distances itself from its employees. Not all mind you, but many.

In my younger days profit sharing was a big deal. The employee was vested in the company's success. IMHO

 

[icanhelp1]

 

[glamorilla]

And anybody who loses sight of that is out of tpuch with reality. You get guys like someone above who run smaller business and care for their employees, but for the big companies you're just a peg in a slot. They'll pay ip service to it of they need to, but really, when the want to cut costs or downsize, out you go, and it doesn't matter in the slighest how long you've worked for them or hw many unpaid extra hours you put in or any shitlike that. You're gone. Personally, I job hop. I stay a minimum 1 year, preferably 2, and at 2 years I start looking for the next one, and I milk them for all the training and benefits I can get. What I've done the last couple of hops is write in to the job offer a couple of courses I want to do and their committment to pay for them LOL. I don't plan to stay, so I make sure I take ALL my vacation time, and I happily max out sick days and any other days off I can get - time off in liey of overtime is a good one - and I make sure I bill for my overtime as well. And my benefit plan covers my husband so we max the benefits as much as possible as well.

I have absolutely NO sense of loyalty - that extends as far as my next paycheck. LOL. I have no illusions about the company I work for. I do enjoy my work tho.

As for medical insurance and benefits in the US, it sucks and it's gettuing worse. Say what you will about assassinations, but I'd still buy Luigi a coffee. He did a good deed that day.

unless its a perk afforded to me by that specific job i've never had insurance. It's just always seemed so scam like to me. That cash was best spent clubbing. Fortunately I seem to have avoided major medical issues. What medical issues I have faced I found paying out of pocket was far more efficient and economical for me. Way back in the nineties a company I worked for did some shady stuff with everyone's insurance and i've seen variations of that done enough times over the years to feel nothing but relief having avoided all of those messes. obamacare revulsed me.

 

[ChloeTzang]

unless its a perk afforded to me by that specific job i've never had insurance. It's just always seemed so scam like to me. That cash was best spent clubbing. Fortunately I seem to have avoided major medical issues. What medical issues I have faced I found paying out of pocket was far more efficient and economical for me. Way back in the nineties a company I worked for did some shady stuff with everyone's insurance and i've seen variations of that done enough times over the years to feel nothing but relief having avoided all of those messes. obamacare revulsed me.

Which works as long as you don't have anything that imposes major medical costs. Some of the drugs for example are waaaaay expensive and when you get to be a senior and on two dozen different medications and....yikes! Not that I have any magic solutions either. It's a can of rowms whichever way you look at it.

 

[HisArpy]

Geez! I don't recall Harpy claiming he was cute at all.

HAY NOW!!!

<-- is waaaaaay beyond "cute."

 

[HisArpy]

It seems the larger a company gets, the more people it manages and the farther management distances itself from its employees. Not all mind you, but many.

In my younger days profit sharing was a big deal. The employee was vested in the company's success. IMHO

A couple of woke companies tried that in the past couple of years.

It didn't turn out well.