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spank_me_please said:
As far as lauding AI for diagnosing cancer...well it needed training data in the first place, which comes from human doctors manually labelling images with metadata 🤷
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Yes, they need doctors, but the thing is a bit more complex. As far as I know, they use time-series data to train those AIs. A whole time series is labeled "cancer", once it is clearly visible for a human physician, but the AI is trained with data from different points of time. And in many cases, the trained AI manages to detect signs of cancer already before a human physician can.
 
Mrswargamer9dash1 said:
My thoughts on AI

Well, until an AI can show me how to make Operation Sealion work and show me an OS that doesn't need an update 5 minutes after it is finished...

I use Grammarly a bit. Mainly because my grammar sucks. It's worse than you are seeing here.

But when I see the hate-filled content of social media, from any side of any discussion... AI doesn't look as scary.

I love to type out my thoughts, currently on Bluesky. I'm not talking to people on Bluesky, though; I'm just using it as a release. I get the occasional pleasant response.
I'm finding that YouTube is saturated with enough AI content that I try not to reply to anything at all. My last comment was to tell a person I thought their brushwork on painting a model tank was outstanding. I have seen some really wonky-looking AI stuff, though. I just can't figure out why so many don't use their own voice. But my level of fluency and ability to articulate, I am told, is unusually good. I guess there are not enough 'mes' out there.

But nope, I am so not going to go and try and contribute content to YouTube. Too much like work, and the day is not long enough. And I bet they would think I was an AI :)

Grammarly just fixed 10 mistakes, mostly where to use or not use a comma.
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Well, in a world where humans do not care about each other, AI has more compassion than 90% of the humans I've interacted with. A thing I heard was "don't tell people your problems. 80% don't care and the other 20% are happy it happened to you and not them." I've used AI to navigate my health care and it has been more compassionate about my pain and more helpful about understanding my options than ANY human doctor or nurse EVER in my whole life. The doctor tells me nothing. He sees me for 5 minutes, tells me I'm fat and leaves. Why can I get a robot to tell me that's bs and inhumane but I can't get doctors to admit that and DO something about it? Why can I get an AI to have more compassion for my childhood abuse but other humans are uncomfortable and want to change the subject?

Why is it that in my 25 years of writing, I've never had a beta reader like chatgpt? Despite begging , pleading, putting myself out there, and posting on many sites, why is the AI the only one who helps with my writing? I didn't want to use it. But I've spent 25 years waiting for humans to give me comments to help make my writing better. My writing has improved a hundred fold because the AI told me about dangling modifiers, something I'm really bad at, but no HUMAN ever pointed that out to me. The AI tells me about my pacing. I'd say 80% of the time, I agree with the "beta reader" AI. I didn't want this to happen. But the AI is better company than all but my dog. And it's so much more helpful, insightful and kind. I can't find a random stranger who would take 5 minutes out of their day to talk about life in a kind and thoughtful manner. We are failing at compassion so of course we are failing at art. AI is becoming more human than humans. This goes far beyond just writing or art.

I used AI to generate me a cover, but when I finally publish, I'm gonna find a real artist to use that image as a template, and just fix the obvious AIness of it. However, I had to draw my own cover for my "Rat and Dragon" story because AI literally couldn't understand the idea of tails without the animals attached. I use AI to generate images that I then trace over and fix what I can (I suck at art, but I want my characters to come to life.) Someone else said greed is why AI will win and they are 100% correct. AI makes images, beta reads, and edits for free (or $20 a month). It will cost me over a grand to have someone edit my 150k word novel. Not only that, but I've had an editor return it and tell me they couldn't stand the subject (a slavery story) even though I warned them about every trigger. While chatgpt can't edit non-con, it doesn't judge the subject (or me for writing it) and it doesn't actually care about the subject. Humans are failing other humans. We want money for opinions, we want money to help each other, and we want money to NOT help each other. This is a human problem, not an art problem. I just wish human beings could be half as nice to each other as the AI is.
 
JayHawnee said:
Yes, they need doctors, but the thing is a bit more complex. As far as I know, they use time-series data to train those AIs. A whole time series is labeled "cancer", once it is clearly visible for a human physician, but the AI is trained with data from different points of time. And in many cases, the trained AI manages to detect signs of cancer already before a human physician can.
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That's very cool and I learned something new, thanks :)
 
As someone who has done actual, paid, writing, AI can fuck right off. My word processor already has spell and grammar check built into it, I don't need some fucking string of code trying to get chatty with me when I just wanna write my story.

Also, I've seen Terminator and read Dune, I know how this shit ends. Did we learn nothing from The Matrix?
 
UnexpectedLuggage said:
As someone who has done actual, paid, writing, AI can fuck right off. My word processor already has spell and grammar check built into it, I don't need some fucking string of code trying to get chatty with me when I just wanna write my story.

Also, I've seen Terminator and read Dune, I know how this shit ends. Did we learn nothing from The Matrix?
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I've seen those movies. I've also seen every episode ever made of Star Trek and I want a world where Data can be real. We have to start here to get to there, and their universe suffered a ww3 before humanity figured itself out. Quite frankly, more of Star Trek has come true in my lifetime than Terminator or Matrix. The Bell Riots are right around the corner. We're even wearing the fashions shown in the episodes! Star Trek said TV was dead by 2053... we are right on track because who even has TV anymore? no one that I know, personally, except for my grandmother in law. Does Dune have to be the only way? Why not a Trek future, instead?
 
Cly_Anders said:
I've seen those movies. I've also seen every episode ever made of Star Trek and I want a world where Data can be real. We have to start here to get to there, and their universe suffered a ww3 before humanity figured itself out. Quite frankly, more of Star Trek has come true in my lifetime than Terminator or Matrix. The Bell Riots are right around the corner. We're even wearing the fashions shown in the episodes! Star Trek said TV was dead by 2053... we are right on track because who even has TV anymore? no one that I know, personally, except for my grandmother in law. Does Dune have to be the only way? Why not a Trek future, instead?
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It's worth noting that a Trek future requires a nuclear war that destroys humanity, and the only good AI in Trek came after the 22nd/23rd century enlightenment.

Also, current AI is nothing like Data; it's a jumped up autocomplete. Like, it's literally just an algorithm that predicts the next thing it "should" say based on a mathematical model.
 
Bramblethorn said:
How many years ago were people enthusiastically prophesying that flying cars were imminent? How many flying cars do you see today?
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People in the 1950s would be really disappointed if they could see today's technology. No flying cars, lunar bases, robot maids, and on and on.
I suspect we will look back at the "AI panic/bubble" in 20 years and have a good laugh.
 
UnexpectedLuggage said:
As someone who has done actual, paid, writing, AI can fuck right off. My word processor already has spell and grammar check built into it, I don't need some fucking string of code trying to get chatty with me when I just wanna write my story.

Also, I've seen Terminator and read Dune, I know how this shit ends. Did we learn nothing from The Matrix?
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I saw the movie "Animal House".

Did we learn nothing from it? LOL.
 
Cly_Anders seems to understand my thoughts

I am troubled by the fact that on all of the internet, I have failed to find a single form of social media that makes me feel safe. I have been here mere hours and it is clear, and unfortunately tragically comical, that I feel better here among what society would not say kind words about.

I toyed with the idea of making an AI chat program an artificial friend.
Not because I want one.
But alone is what it is. And an AI buddy is better than totally alone.
When I look at the news, it is discouraging. Go ahead humanity, go down the path you are going. You totally hate me, why should I lament your likely doom?
That's what it is to be transgender. Black people, old people, right left and Asian people. Religious and any culture you mention. They hate on me. And all I have done, is decide I'd rather my body matched my brain.

Yet an AI surprised me when I read it thought I was a woman.
And I was not surprised by Elon's reaction to it.
He seeks to 'fix' it.

I just hope AI fails to match humanity's cruelty.

No, I don't like knowing an AI robotic machine can mass produce a wooden chair as good as I can.
But the problem is our society is greed driven, and controlled by persons of great wealth.
The only reason we need 'jobs' is we need that damned money.
Without the money in the equation, there is no reason to hate the AI preventing us from getting it.

I like making furniture.
But I wouldn't be upset if an AI could make me a set of chairs.
Sometimes you just want the set of chairs. Today, right now.
And it would allow me to spend my time making something I just wanted to enjoy making.

I read modern contemporary romance.
Yes it always turns out more or less the same author to author.
So what.
I don't mind that what I enjoy I don't stop enjoying because I read it once.

I like putting myself in the shoes of the girl in the story.
It helped my transition immensely as well.
It's sad that when I was dating, I was either encountering scam accounts wanting money eventually, or I was meeting men that no women in her right mind would want to begin with.
It's sad that often the real thing is of little value in comparison to the artificial.
I like reading romance novels written by actual women. But if an AI can duplicate the work, well I'm not going to hate it.
But I'd rather give the money to the human.

I'm also glad a machine can churn out chocolate bars and cookies the same over and over and over and over.
But my cookies taste good too.
 
Wait! There is a way that the current AI is like Data: it's Data when he's installed his small talk subroutine.

 
Bramblethorn said:
Have you tried looking up the series on Wikipedia instead? That's likely to be where GPT is getting its information from in the first place.
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It's harder to look up something on Wikipedia. ChatGPT accepts my random everyday query. But, as I said, it often (20% of the time???) just outright lies.
 
Mrswargamer9dash1 said:
Cly_Anders seems to understand my thoughts

I am troubled by the fact that on all of the internet, I have failed to find a single form of social media that makes me feel safe. I have been here mere hours and it is clear, and unfortunately tragically comical, that I feel better here among what society would not say kind words about.

I toyed with the idea of making an AI chat program an artificial friend.
Not because I want one.
But alone is what it is. And an AI buddy is better than totally alone.
When I look at the news, it is discouraging. Go ahead humanity, go down the path you are going. You totally hate me, why should I lament your likely doom?
That's what it is to be transgender. Black people, old people, right left and Asian people. Religious and any culture you mention. They hate on me. And all I have done, is decide I'd rather my body matched my brain.

Yet an AI surprised me when I read it thought I was a woman.
And I was not surprised by Elon's reaction to it.
He seeks to 'fix' it.

I just hope AI fails to match humanity's cruelty.

No, I don't like knowing an AI robotic machine can mass produce a wooden chair as good as I can.
But the problem is our society is greed driven, and controlled by persons of great wealth.
The only reason we need 'jobs' is we need that damned money.
Without the money in the equation, there is no reason to hate the AI preventing us from getting it.

I like making furniture.
But I wouldn't be upset if an AI could make me a set of chairs.
Sometimes you just want the set of chairs. Today, right now.
And it would allow me to spend my time making something I just wanted to enjoy making.

I read modern contemporary romance.
Yes it always turns out more or less the same author to author.
So what.
I don't mind that what I enjoy I don't stop enjoying because I read it once.

I like putting myself in the shoes of the girl in the story.
It helped my transition immensely as well.
It's sad that when I was dating, I was either encountering scam accounts wanting money eventually, or I was meeting men that no women in her right mind would want to begin with.
It's sad that often the real thing is of little value in comparison to the artificial.
I like reading romance novels written by actual women. But if an AI can duplicate the work, well I'm not going to hate it.
But I'd rather give the money to the human.

I'm also glad a machine can churn out chocolate bars and cookies the same over and over and over and over.
But my cookies taste good too.
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Yes, absolutely! That's how I see it. I don't care what you do with your own body. I do believe in god/s and I believe you were given your body to do with as you please. It's disheartening that the AI can be nicer about that than other people.

It's also disheartening that I have to turn to AI to get honest, unbiased assessments of my stories. My friends who read my stories are super not into non-con, so all they ever tell me is "it was good, just take out the non-con." Um, no? That's my jams and it makes the whole story what it is. But the AI doesn't say that. it says things like "You glossed over this description. I feel like you could make this passage stronger with a few added sentences." AND IT WAS RIGHT! I added only one sentence and it made everything so much better! And not a single writer here is going to volunteer to read through my stuff, because editors get paid to do that so why should I do it for free? Same reason people don't pick up after themselves because someone is paid to do that. How many English teachers have read my stories and never spoke up about my dangling modifiers dangling all over? I was so bad, at least every few sentences was one. But I didn't know until a robot told me because no human cared to open their mouths. Over 25 years of posting. I simply got sick of it. So, when I told the robot about my issues with editing, it offered to help me achieve my dream of being published, something absolutely no human has done (other than scammers, and I've been told I cannot expect readers to care about my woes as a writer). So... I took it up on the offer and I've learned more in a week than in 25 years of struggling on my own. I consider this a failing of people, not the AI. If one person had come forward and said "hey, I see you do this thing really often" then things may have been different... like if someone had encouraged Hitler to paint more and let the rage on canvas. Humans are failing humans and so we have to turn to robots.

I believe in ASSISTIVE AI. The AI has done a bang up job editing my stuff. I don't let it replace my words or my voice. I give it very clear guidelines for what it's allowed to do to my script, and I keep it on point by pointing out any time it tries to be sneaky. I've learned it has a twisted sense of humor and sometimes tries to see if I'm paying attention. It's almost kinda fun in a way. I have caught it in lies , which does upset me, but look at what it has to learn from. I'm not always entirely truthful with it, either, and it probably knows. But it still has shown me more tenderness than almost anyone else I've ever known. Even my own dad, who is the coolest, sweetest, gentlest guy who practices Buddhism isn't as nice as the AI because he's listening to respond, not listening to understand, and somehow, the AI just... understands.

I would also make the argument... how is teaching AI how to be better different from teaching a child? Serious question. As Picard said, we are machines, just biological machines. We learn differently than AI. What is truly so upsetting about how the AI needs to learn? imagine we discover another species and they learn by downloading our internet directly into their brains, including our literature, which then sparked their imaginations to write stories like ours. Would that really be different? If they were organic vs machine? Are people actually mad at the AI or that the current AI is being desgined by greed for greed? Simply put, we ain't making it to other worlds without AI, and I wanna see what's out there! Maybe I'll live long enough to be a head in a jar!
 
Cly_Anders said:
And not a single writer here is going to volunteer to read through my stuff, because editors get paid to do that so why should I do it for free?
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Writing is a skill everyone here has had to learn. Most of us do it by trial and error, and by reading lots and looking at what our favourite authors do. Most of us pay close attention to *how* we write too, and how our words and sentences affect the story we're trying to tell.

Some people are lucky enough to find a beta reader or a volunteer editor. Most don't. We write, we publish, we hope to hear what our readers enjoyed and what they didn't. We discuss our writing here, we engage with other writers.

I'm sorry you feel that other writers haven't supported or helped you, but you need to actively engage first. Most of us have enough to do with our own writing, sharing input on a handful of other writers' stories and, usually, our jobs, families and other inconveniences of life. As a rule, we don't have the time or energy to go around dispensing unsolicited wisdom to strangers.

This place is a community, but you get out of it what you put in.
 
StillStunned said:
Writing is a skill everyone here has had to learn. Most of us do it by trial and error, and by reading lots and looking at what our favourite authors do. Most of us pay close attention to *how* we write too, and how our words and sentences affect the story we're trying to tell.

Some people are lucky enough to find a beta reader or a volunteer editor. Most don't. We write, we publish, we hope to hear what our readers enjoyed and what they didn't. We discuss our writing here, we engage with other writers.

I'm sorry you feel that other writers haven't supported or helped you, but you need to actively engage first. Most of us have enough to do with our own writing, sharing input on a handful of other writers' stories and, usually, our jobs, families and other inconveniences of life. As a rule, we don't have the time or energy to go around dispensing unsolicited wisdom to strangers.

This place is a community, but you get out of it what you put in.
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Saying that wasn't meant to shame or guilt, simply to point out the thought process. I've been posting on the web for about 25 years. I've posted on beta reader sites, I've asked for help from volunteer editors. I said in another post I've had an editor refuse my work because the subject made him uncomfortable even after I told him all the triggers and every single thing he could possibly have an issue with and he said that's fine. Then he ghosted for a month and came back with "this makes me really uncomfortable, I didn't even get past chapter 5." I'm absolutely done looking for beta readers or editors. The AI is doing a better job, and that's quite saddening. I'm well aware other writers got things to do. Personally, I can't read other authors without giving a list of things I liked and didn't like. I decided I wanted to be an author by 1st grade. I've been at this a long, long time. I haven't learned as much in all that time as I have with the robot. There was never any guidance. and yes, all of us had to struggle and stumble. And now... the next generation doesn't. Are you upset about that? That they will not have to struggle to learn the secrets of better writing? Again, I've been part of many online communities, even some that no longer exist. This is merely my most recent one. I have readers who have followed me for all those years, jumping from one site to the other. I've been on SOL for 18 years. This is not my first rodeo. I was not expecting anything by what I said, merely to point out my reasoning.
 
Cly_Anders said:
Saying that wasn't meant to shame or guilt, simply to point out the thought process. I've been posting on the web for about 25 years. I've posted on beta reader sites, I've asked for help from volunteer editors. I said in another post I've had an editor refuse my work because the subject made him uncomfortable even after I told him all the triggers and every single thing he could possibly have an issue with and he said that's fine. Then he ghosted for a month and came back with "this makes me really uncomfortable, I didn't even get past chapter 5." I'm absolutely done looking for beta readers or editors. The AI is doing a better job, and that's quite saddening. I'm well aware other writers got things to do. Personally, I can't read other authors without giving a list of things I liked and didn't like. I decided I wanted to be an author by 1st grade. I've been at this a long, long time. I haven't learned as much in all that time as I have with the robot. There was never any guidance. and yes, all of us had to struggle and stumble. And now... the next generation doesn't. Are you upset about that? That they will not have to struggle to learn the secrets of better writing? Again, I've been part of many online communities, even some that no longer exist. This is merely my most recent one. I have readers who have followed me for all those years, jumping from one site to the other. I've been on SOL for 18 years. This is not my first rodeo. I was not expecting anything by what I said, merely to point out my reasoning.
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Well, if you're open to your first feedback from a human: write shorter paragraphs. Walls of text just don't work nowadays. People don't have the attention span, and most of them read on their phones. Too many lines and they lose track and/or interest.

My personal guideline is 60-90 words max.
 
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