Another Huge Appeals Court Win For The Trump Administration

[ll74]

Well, this is where we differ.

Ok

I do not consider military age Islamic men to be refugees when they arrive on our shores alone. They are an invasion force.

I never suggested anything about whether they were or were not refugees.

I do not consider the legions of hoodlums emptied out of Central and South American prisons to be sent our way to be refugees.

Neat

In circumstances where Biden extended deadlines for refugees and without Congressional authority to do so I am pleased with Trump that he is enforcing those deadlines that Congress put into law.

And no, Biden did not end any departments. Democrats never shrink government.

If you give someone a timeframe of asylum or protection or status and then you go back on your word, it doesn't matter who they are.

We literally had hundreds of Afghans who protected our soldiers that were given TPS and we fucked them.

Venezuelans who opposed the current government that we also oppose.....fucked.

This administration doesn't give a shit about promises or integrity.

Fuck em all...deport em all.
..they're all the fucking same

Oh wait...
Except those white men from South Africa
...,they have the right skin tone.

 

[Baztrachian]

If you give someone a timeframe of asylum or protection or status and then you go back on your word, it doesn't matter who they are.

Biden made promises that are outside of the law. Trump is enforcing the actual law. That's how this works.

 

[ll74]

Biden made promises that are outside of the law.

No he didn't.

Trump is enforcing the actual law. That's how this works.

That's not at all how it works.

Biden's TPS designations wee within the law.

 

[Baztrachian]

No he didn't.


That's not at all how it works.

Biden's TPS designations wee within the law.

Nope. Biden extended the dates before their expirations which even the overtly leftist American Immigration Council called "unusual" (quite a concession on their part.)

https://www.americanimmigrationcoun...-people-from-losing-legal-status-under-trump/

The announcements, which are set to be formally published on Friday, January 17 – the last weekday before Biden leaves office – are slightly unusual.

So far the courts are agreeing with Trump on this one.

 

[ll74]

Nope. Biden extended the dates before their expirations which even the overtly leftist American Immigration Council called "unusual" (quite a concession on their part.)

There is nothing illegal about that.

So far the courts are agreeing with Trump on this one.

What Trump is doing isn't illegal. I never suggested it was

 

[Baztrachian]

There is nothing illegal about that.

Nothing strictly legal about it, either. Thus the courts are abiding the decision being ended by Trump.

What Trump is doing isn't illegal. I never suggested it was

Cool.

 

[ll74]

Nothing strictly legal about it, either. Thus the courts are abiding the decision being ended by Trump.

Extending TPS is within the Presidential powers. Absolutely legal.

Cool.

Yes, you're not arguing the same thing I am. That much is obvious

 

[Baztrachian]

Extending TPS is within the Presidential powers. Absolutely legal.

Reversing the extension is also within the Presidential powers. Absolutely legal.

 

[ll74]

Reversing the extension is also within the Presidential powers. Absolutely legal.

Yes. And legality isn't what I was arguing.

 

[Baztrachian]

Yes. And legality isn't what I was arguing.

You can argue all you want but so far as what actually matters Trump was right in rejecting Biden's extension. Biden is not the President anymore and any and all of his Executive Orders can be reversed by President Trump.

 

[ll74]

You can argue all you want but so far as what actually matters Trump was right in rejecting Biden's extension. Biden is not the President anymore and any and all of his Executive Orders can be reversed by President Trump.

No he wasn't. He ruined our credibility by withdrawing protection that was promised to suffering people.

 

[Baztrachian]

No he wasn't. He ruined our credibility by withdrawing protection that was promised to suffering people.

Here's the problem: Biden extended the law for groups of people when the law is aimed at individuals.

The individuals can reapply. The groups cannot.

It is not unlike the DMV issuing licenses to everyone from Venezuela. Yes, people from Venezuela can have a license but granting them to a group is problematic.

 

[ll74]

Here's the problem: Biden extended the law for groups of people when the law is aimed at individuals.

Thats not a.problem

The individuals can reapply. The groups cannot.

correct. So when groups are extended, individuals can take advantage of that protection offered

It is not unlike the DMV issuing licenses to everyone from Venezuela. Yes, people from Venezuela can have a license but granting them to a group is problematic.

The protection was extended to people who relied on it. 47 went back on that promise and demonstrated our country cannot be trusted.to.fulfill our promises.

TPS is typically granted to groups. Such as white from South Africa offered by 47

 

[Baztrachian]

TPS is typically granted to groups.

And the actual law says...

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/temporary-protected-status

The Secretary of Homeland Security may designate a foreign country for TPS due to conditions in the country that temporarily prevent the country's nationals from returning safely, or in certain circumstances, where the country is unable to handle the return of its nationals adequately. USCIS may grant TPS to eligible nationals of certain countries (or parts of countries), who are already in the United States. Eligible individuals without nationality who last resided in the designated country may also be granted TPS.

 

[ll74]

And the actual law says...

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/temporary-protected-status

OK, Biden designated countries for TPS. So I'm truly not sure what you're arguing here.

 

[Baztrachian]

OK, Biden designated countries for TPS. So I'm truly not sure what you're arguing here.

Biden's extension was inappropriate for two reasons:

1. He did this to try to embarrass Donald Trump.
2. His extension was granted to groups and not to specific qualified individuals from those groups.

 

[ll74]

Biden's extension was inappropriate for two reasons:

1. He did this to try to embarrass Donald Trump.
2. His extension was granted to groups and not to specific qualified individuals from those groups.

I'm not arguing whether you agree with Biden's TPS.

The extensions applied to countries who already had TPS status. Your number two is incorrect

Either way, you can continue to argue over your position with others It is irrelevant to my argument.

 

[Rightguide]

They aren't. Your abandonment of consistency and dependability is on the current President

So, because Biden was a corrupt traitor to his country, you expect Trump to continue Biden's unlawful policies to maintain consistency?

 

[ll74]

So, because Biden was a corrupt traitor to his country, you expect Trump to continue Biden's unlawful policies to maintain consistency?

The TPS was lawful.

And yes, promises made to suffering people should be kept for the credibility and reliability of our country.

 

[Rightguide]

The TPS was lawful.

But temporary, not permanent.

And yes, promises made to suffering people should be kept for the credibility and reliability of our country.

The court found the policies to be illegal. It's insane to maintain that they should be continued.

 

[ll74]

But temporary, not permanent.

Yes, given for a period of time.. 47 went back on that timeframe promise.

The court found the policies to be illegal. It's insane to maintain that they should be continued.

No they didn't.

 

[Rightguide]

Yes, given for a period of time.. 47 went back on that timeframe promise.


No they didn't.

Another problem with Biden’s approach was that he extended to an entire category of individuals a benefit the statute clearly limited to individuals on a case-by-case basis. In his rush, he attempted to transform what was meant as a narrowly applied discretion into a blanket privilege for hundreds of thousands. The result looked less like a lawful exercise of authority and more like an attempt to rewrite the electorate by mass conferral of benefits.

 

[ll74]

Another problem with Biden’s approach was that he extended to an entire category of individuals a benefit the statute clearly limited to individuals on a case-by-case basis. In his rush, he attempted to transform what was meant as a narrowly applied discretion into a blanket privilege for hundreds of thousands. The result looked less like a lawful exercise of authority and more like an attempt to rewrite the electorate by mass conferral of benefits.

It was a promise of protections.

47 went back on that promise.

You and B can enjoy agreement over other aspects as you need. Biden's extensions were legal and extended the promise of protections to people needing it. 47 unilaterally pulled the rug out from under those protected, including Afghans who protected our troops for decades.

 

[Rightguide]

It was a promise of protections.

47 went back on that promise.

You and B can enjoy agreement over other aspects as you need. Biden's extensions were legal and extended the promise of protections to people needing it. 47 unilaterally pulled the rug out from under those protected, including Afghans who protected our troops for decades.

No, they weren't, or the leftwing Appeals court wouldn't have thrown it out.

 

[ll74]

No, they weren't, or the leftwing Appeals court wouldn't have thrown it out.

The ruling wasn't about the legalities of Biden's policies, it was about the legalities of Trump's.

I don't care either way - 47 removing protections harms our country on the world stage.