Rape scene in a story

[iwatchus]

Example:

I recognize that excerpt. This was a very powerful story. But also a wonderful one.

 

[MiaBabe23]

I think my exact words were 'The scene is central to the plot,' and I should have added that it builds her character in the direction of a survivor and a warrior, not the victim.

Thank you for your input.

That's not the impression I got from the messages, and also the existence of the non-consent category implies otherwise. But I'll have to consider how I'll present the scene in the story.

I presume the category you’re thinking of is Consensual Nonconsent

If you check the Content Guidelines, you’ll see they state:

“To that end, we DO NOT publish works of any type featuring the following content:

• … …
• Ravishment/non-consent fantasies in which the “victim” receives no thrill or enjoyment from the acts, or is seriously and/or permanently physically harmed/abused/maimed/killed. “

Again, I don’t know why some sneak through or are treated differently; but I think the rules are clear

 

[MiaBabe23]

Example:

I think the only point of you posting that was to post something non-consensual, which I believe you’re saying the scene is?
So - reported it

Edit - read the thing, presumably the cop isn’t the rapist?
You’re describing the aftermath?
So that’s very different, isn’t it, from describing the actual rape
So I still don’t see what point you’re making

 

[Dreamerman77]

Her date was late, not massively, but fifteen minutes....

Okay, you imply that the assault has happened without describing it. That's not quite what I had in mind, and this won't fit into the narrative, where POV is First Person (Retrospective Narrator). She's telling her own story somewhere in the future.

In my latest story, I made the MC tell in a dialogue about the rape she had faced, and readers took it well, and it is in the LS category. That's why I thought I could stretch the event further. But like I said... I need to plan the scene carefully again.

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

"and this won't fit into the narrative,"

CHANGE THE FUCKING NARRATIVE!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[EmilyMiller]

Example:

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Her date was late, not massively, but fifteen minutes. It irked Anđela, who was always punctual. Her annoyance was the last thing that she remembered.

Anđela woke aching all over and immediately vomited. Her eyes were blurry and a bright light hurt them. She felt cold and was shaking, realizing that she was soaked through. Managing to sit up, her head spinning, she tried to take in her surroundings. Around her were trees and the bright light was the sun. Silhouetted against it a figure loomed, and Anđela flinched.

But his voice was kind, "you OK, Miss? Too much of a good night, maybe?"

Squinting, she made out a cap, and a badge, and an extended hand. As Anđela reached up to take it, she suddenly retched again. Then there was an unbearable burning between her legs, which made her scream. Despite the onlooker, she grabbed her genitals, and massaged them until the pain passed.

The cop spoke again, "Miss, just stay still. I'm gonna get help." He spoke into his radio. "Control, possible 10-24Q, female victim... yeah, most likely. Require a bus as well. No, no suspect present."

With horror, realization began to creep over Anđela. She held her hand in front of her face and saw the blood stains she already knew would be there.

Full disclosure:

I also have sexual assault scenes in my Angels & Demons stories, which are described more graphically (but not titilatingly). But my supernatural protagonists heal from physical wounds almost instantly and are far less psychologically impacted by SA. This is obviously authorial wish-fulfilment, as well as plot devices.

 

[MiaBabe23]

Full disclosure:

I also have sexual assault scenes in my Angels & Demons stories, which are described more graphically (but not titilatingly). But my supernatural protagonists heal from physical wounds almost instantly and are far less psychologically impacted by SA. This is obviously authorial wish-fulfilment, as well as plot devices.

So they breach the site rules
The rules don’t say, unless you make them supernatural to sneak around the rules…

https://www.literotica.com/resources/content-guidelines

 

[EmilyMiller]

I think the only point of you posting that was to post something non-consensual, which I believe you’re saying the scene is?
So - reported it

Edit - read the thing, presumably the cop isn’t the rapist?
You’re describing the aftermath?
So that’s very different, isn’t it, from describing the actual rape
So I still don’t see what point you’re making

I was agreeing with you about not describing events in detail. I’m really unclear how you could have interpreted it any other way. But thanks for knee-jerking into reporting a blameless piece of text which is on the side of the angels (literally). I hope you’re happy with your work.

 

[EmilyMiller]

So they breach the site rules
The rules don’t say, unless you make them supernatural to sneak around the rules…

https://www.literotica.com/resources/content-guidelines

This is getting silly. You don’t understand the site rules. I do. I’ve been writing here for three years. If you think I’m sneaking sexy non-con into my stories, that’s actually kinda laughable. If I get in any trouble here, it’s for too often calling out rape porn for what it is.

Your guns are pointing the wrong way.

 

[Dreamerman77]

Thank you all for your input. I'll jump off from this wagon and let Laurel decide if my story fits the guidelines by pointing out the scene in the story once I submit it. Sorry for dragging you along in this @EmilyMiller

 

[EmilyMiller]

Thank you all for your input. I'll jump off from this wagon and let Laurel decide if my story fits the guidelines by pointing out the scene in the story once I submit it. Sorry for dragging you along in this @EmilyMiller

Not your fault that soemone got confused.

 

[MiaBabe23]

I was agreeing with you about not describing events in detail. I’m really unclear how you could have interpreted it any other way. But thanks for knee-jerking into reporting a blameless piece of text which is on the side of the angels (literally). I hope you’re happy with your work.

Yep. I explained as above, in the reply you quote
If there’s nothing wrong with it, the report will be ignored
Since you’re so confrontational, I’m going to place you back on ignore

 

[MiaBabe23]

Thank you all for your input. I'll jump off from this wagon and let Laurel decide if my story fits the guidelines by pointing out the scene in the story once I submit it. Sorry for dragging you along in this @EmilyMiller

Why apologize to her and nobody else? She waded in and gave you responses you wanted to hear, I think

 

[EmilyMiller]

Yep. I explained as above, in the reply you quote
If there’s nothing wrong with it, the report will be ignored
Since you’re so confrontational, I’m going to place you back on ignore

Works for me.

 

[Dreamerman77]

Why apologize to her and nobody else? She waded in and gave you responses you wanted to hear, I think

Sorry for ignoring you. Like I mentioned, I'll let Laurel decide if my story fits the guidelines once I submit the story. Your input and opinion were noted, and I'll be planning the scene more carefully.

 

[Djmac1031]

she (and it is always she) must enjoy being sexually assaulted eventuallly’

Not always...I wrote one where I very purposefully flipped that script.

https://www.literotica.com/s/for-better-or-worse-4

 

[Djmac1031]

Didn't find an answer to this specific question, so here it is. I'm working on another historical piece where a captured thrall is being sexually abused by her owner; he rapes her.

I'm not writing it as a sex scene, the description is clinical and brutal. She's not enjoying it, but she's defiant. Winning "the battle" by not doing anything and laughs at him in the end.

The question; is it enough to satisfy Lit rules? Or am I forced to put in the "enjoyment"?

The scene is central to the plot, since she gets her revenge later. By the way... It doesn't sound like it, but it grows to be a love story in the end.

Okay I'm gonna try to chime in on the original comment here.

As described, it does not sound like you want to write a story that glorifies rape.

Unfortunately, as has been pointed out by others, the rules here actually pretty much insist that any rape victims must enjoy their rape.

We can, and have, argued this rule to death on the site. But ultimately what it allows for is people to write their rape fantasies for themselves and others to get off to.

As others have suggested, the only real way to know whether your story breaks "the rules" is simply too write it, submit it, speak to Laurel about your concerns, and see what happens.

I'm generally not a fan on Non Con. It depends on the story and the context.

I've written two stories that have elements on Non Con but put my own spin on it.

In Riders On The Storm, a serial rapist / killer has the tables turned on him when his latest victim turns out to be a supernatural She-Demon who' forces him to sodomize his partner while she sodomizes him.

As per Lit rules, my "victim" finds himself enjoying it.

For Better Or Worse is the only story I published in Non Con. In it, I flip the script: a frustrated wife ties up her husband and forces him to give her oral sex.

As per Lit rules, he winds up enjoying it.

I'm sure some will consider me hypocritical for simultaneously condemning stories about rape victims enjoying their rape and yet having written my own scenarios.

I don't really care. Because I can also condemn rape fantasies while defending a person's right to write them.

Write your story. Then let the chips fall where they will.

 

[Britva415]

you imply that the assault has happened without describing it. That's not quite what I had in mind, and this won't fit into the narrative, where POV is First Person (Retrospective Narrator). She's telling her own story somewhere in the future

"Won't fit the narrative?" Why not?

SA survivors who "tell their story" in real life almost always do so without the gory details. Just because it's first-person POV does not mean your narrator has to describe it - not to another character and not to the reader either. "Implication," double-speak, fade-to-black, leaving things unstated are precisely the ways people frequently handle this.

What are we missing? Why can't this be left offscreen while still making clear what happened and what its ramifications are?

 

[Britva415]

I would suggest you DM Laurel

Might try that, but previous times I've contacted her, I haven't received an answer.

Use the Notes field in your story submission form. You might not get a direct hand-written rersponse, but there will be a publishing decision one way or the other, and that will be your answer.

 

[Dreamerman77]

Use the Notes field in your story submission form. You might not get a direct hand-written rersponse, but there will be a publishing decision one way or the other, and that will be your answer.

My plan exactly.

 

[ChuckWolf]

If you're making a story with a brutally unsexy and violent rape scene, posting it on an erotic story site is sending a mixed and wrong message.

 

[Dreamerman77]

If you're making a story with a brutally unsexy and violent rape scene, posting it on an erotic story site is sending a mixed and wrong message.

I've already decided to write it differently, I'll omit the description, but keep the scene. Find a way around it.

This is all about where the line is drawn in an erotic story website. What sends a mixed signal? In my opinion having a non-consent category where a rape is masked under "wow, I enjoy this" description sends more mixed signals than actually describing a rape and its consequences and recovering from it.

Mixed signals are also in stories that deal with regret after enjoyable sex. In stories that deal with violence not related to sex (someone will get off by descriptions of murder). What about humiliation? Lots of different things can send mixed signals depending how the reader interprets them in his/hers mind

It all comes down to concept in which the scene is presented; of the story is aming to describe the rape as something that the victim enjoys is in my opinion more hurtful than actually talking about a crime and how it changes a person.

Again, thank you all for your input in this thread. Has given me a lot to think about.

 

[EmilyMiller]

If you're making a story with a brutally unsexy and violent rape scene, posting it on an erotic story site is sending a mixed and wrong message.

But writing a ‘sexy’ rape scene is sending the right message?

 

[EmilyMiller]

If you're making a story with a brutally unsexy and violent rape scene, posting it on an erotic story site is sending a mixed and wrong message.

Why is there no vomit emoji available

 

[ChuckWolf]

But writing a ‘sexy’ rape scene is sending the right message?

Oh boy.