This week in REAL antisemitism

[schism666]

Were it up to me there wouldn't be one brick on top of another in the entirety of Gaza and I'd also be sending that ugly-as-fuck Greta Thunberg home with every last one of the Gaza scum.

keyboard warrior mode: ENGAGED

being upset that a child has accomplished more of her goals in life than you ever will stings.

 

[Hel_Books]

Oh really?

You've called both me (and Zohran Mamdani) an "antisemite" on a number of occasions.

Yet when others use the term, you lecture them that "only a Jew" can call someone antisemitic.

And now......you're not a Jew but an "atheist"?

How curious.

The Literotica The Joke Is On You I'm Totally Not A Jew Club membership increases!

• Lazaran
• BrightShinyGirl
• JustPlainJeff
• HelBrook

I think the line BrightShinyGirl takes is that "jew" is an ethnicity, so a jew can also be an atheist. It's an interesting position, though it makes it confusing when you talk about people who've converted to judaism. Are they jews, even if none of their ancestors are jewish?

On the other hand, your insistence that people who disagree with you must be jewish (or at least a little bit jewish) is rather comical. Remember, a lot of those protesting the actions of the Netanyahu government, whether at university in the USA or in the streets of Tel Aviv, are jewish!

People can agree with you and be jewish. People can disagree with you and be jewish. People can agree with you and not be jewish. People can disagree with you and not be jewish. Best to try to cope with their arguments rather than try to guess at their backgrounds.

 

[schism666]

Jews are an ethnic group that happens to have its own religion: Judaism.

Many Jews are atheist or just not particularly observant.

it's weird that i have never heard that jews aren't particularly religious. or observant.

do you disagree with the definition of "jew?"

Jews (Hebrew: יְהוּדִים‎, ISO 259-2: Yehudim, Israeli pronunciation: [jehuˈdim]), or the Jewish people, are an ethnoreligious group[15] and nation,[16] originating from the Israelites of ancient Israel and Judah.[17] They also traditionally adhere to Judaism.[18][19] Jewish ethnicity, religion, and community are highly interrelated,[20][21] as Judaism is their ethnic religion,[22][23] though many ethnic Jews do not practice it.[24][25][26] Despite this, religious Jews regard converts to Judaism as members of the Jewish nation, pursuant to the long-standing conversion process.[24][2

This means that a person's religious affiliation is often inseparable from their ethnic heritage, and vice versa. These groups often share cultural practices, traditions, and a sense of belonging rooted in both their ethnicity and their religious beliefs.

it's like every other retarded cult.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Jews are an ethnic group that happens to have its own religion: Judaism.

Many Jews are openly atheist or just not particularly observant.

I explained this in my Judaism AMA thread. Jews are an ethnic group that happens to have its own religion. Lots of us are atheists or non-observant.

I just realized I repeated myself.

Maybe it’s time for me to create a new meme so I don’t need to type the same argument over and over again.

 

[Lazaran]

Oh really?

You've called both me (and Zohran Mamdani) an "antisemite" on a number of occasions.

Yet when others use the term, you lecture them that "only a Jew" can call someone antisemitic.

And now......you're not a Jew but an "atheist"?

How curious.

The Literotica The Joke Is On You I'm Totally Not A Jew Club membership increases!

• Lazaran
• BrightShinyGirl
• JustPlainJeff
• HelBrook

Rob has gone full BoBo with the ascriptiion and rabid posting.

RoBo???

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

it's weird that i have never heard that jews aren't particularly religious. or observant.

do you disagree with the definition of "jew?"

Jews (Hebrew: יְהוּדִים‎, ISO 259-2: Yehudim, Israeli pronunciation: [jehuˈdim]), or the Jewish people, are an ethnoreligious group[15] and nation,[16] originating from the Israelites of ancient Israel and Judah.[17] They also traditionally adhere to Judaism.[18][19] Jewish ethnicity, religion, and community are highly interrelated,[20][21] as Judaism is their ethnic religion,[22][23] though many ethnic Jews do not practice it.[24][25][26] Despite this, religious Jews regard converts to Judaism as members of the Jewish nation, pursuant to the long-standing conversion process.[24][2

This means that a person's religious affiliation is often inseparable from their ethnic heritage, and vice versa. These groups often share cultural practices, traditions, and a sense of belonging rooted in both their ethnicity and their religious beliefs.

it's like every other retarded cult.

Judaism is different from the other “retarded cults” in that we don’t expect outsiders to obey our rules. Non-Jews can do whatever they want as long as they leave us alone.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

it's weird that i have never heard that jews aren't particularly religious. or observant.

do you disagree with the definition of "jew?"

Jews (Hebrew: יְהוּדִים‎, ISO 259-2: Yehudim, Israeli pronunciation: [jehuˈdim]), or the Jewish people, are an ethnoreligious group[15] and nation,[16] originating from the Israelites of ancient Israel and Judah.[17] They also traditionally adhere to Judaism.[18][19] Jewish ethnicity, religion, and community are highly interrelated,[20][21] as Judaism is their ethnic religion,[22][23] though many ethnic Jews do not practice it.[24][25][26] Despite this, religious Jews regard converts to Judaism as members of the Jewish nation, pursuant to the long-standing conversion process.[24][2

This means that a person's religious affiliation is often inseparable from their ethnic heritage, and vice versa. These groups often share cultural practices, traditions, and a sense of belonging rooted in both their ethnicity and their religious beliefs.

I do agree with that definition of Jew. Note that it points out that Jews are indigenous to the land that is the modern state of Israel. The “West Bank” is the ancient twin kingdom of the Jews: Israel in the north with its capital at the city of Samaria. Judah in the south with its capital at the city of Jerusalem.

 

[Lazaran]

Judaism is different from the other “retarded cults” in that we don’t expect outsiders to obey our rules. Non-Jews can do whatever they want as long as they leave us alone.

Bottom line for this non-Jew atheist (me):

"Christians" / Christianity and Islamists / Islam present as a threat to my freedom - and freedom in general. Judaism does NOT present as a threat to my freedom - or freedom in general.

Simple as that ^.





We. Told. Them. So.

 

[Hel_Books]

Judaism is different from the other “retarded cults” in that we don’t expect outsiders to obey our rules. Non-Jews can do whatever they want as long as they leave us alone.

Quoting a little from Christopher Hitchens:

“I would be quite content to go to their children’s bar-mitzvahs, to marvel at their Gothic cathedrals, to ‘respect’ their belief that the Koran was dictated, though exclusively in Arabic, to an illiterate prophet, or to interest myself in Wicca and Hindu and Jain consolations. And as it happens, I will continue to do this without insisting on the polite reciprocal condition—which is that they in turn leave me alone. But this, religion is ultimately incapable of doing. As I write these words, and as you read them, people of faith are in their different ways planning your and my destruction. . . . Religion poisons everything.”

 

[schism666]

Bottom line for this non-Jew atheist (me):

"Christians" / Christianity and Islamists / Islam present as a threat to my freedom - and freedom in general. Judaism does NOT present as a threat to my freedom - or freedom in general.

Simple as that ^.





We. Told. Them. So.

"he's a racist rapist piece of shit but he's nice to meeeee."

 

[Baztrachian]

being upset that a child has accomplished more of her goals in life than you ever will stings.

That disturbing little troll is twenty-two years old and the fact that you perceive her as a child reveals much of your own perception about her. And I do not blame you for your perception because she cultivates this perception in people.

In short; she ain't right.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Quoting a little from Christopher Hitchens:

“I would be quite content to go to their children’s bar-mitzvahs, to marvel at their Gothic cathedrals, to ‘respect’ their belief that the Koran was dictated, though exclusively in Arabic, to an illiterate prophet, or to interest myself in Wicca and Hindu and Jain consolations. And as it happens, I will continue to do this without insisting on the polite reciprocal condition—which is that they in turn leave me alone. But this, religion is ultimately incapable of doing. As I write these words, and as you read them, people of faith are in their different ways planning your and my destruction. . . . Religion poisons everything.”

Hitchens is a culturally-Christian atheist. He makes the common atheist error of assuming all religions operate like Christianity. It’s not a bad assumption when you apply it to Islam, but falls on its face when it comes to Judaism.

 

[Baztrachian]

Hitchens is a culturally-Christian atheist. He makes the common atheist error of assuming all religions operate like Christianity. It’s not a bad assumption when you apply it to Islam, but falls on its face when it comes to Judaism.

Atheists tend to project their bogeyman/paranoid views of religion onto Christians and Jews while being inexplicably and excessively tolerant of so many religions who execute atheists at their every opportunity.

Just for the record here I will admit that I separate atheists into a couple of groups:

IDGAF Atheists who don't care what other people believe so long as no one tries to force them to believe it, too. I generally get along with these folks.

Evangelical Atheists for whom it is not enough that they don't believe in God they have to convert you to their belief in order to justify their own and they do so with a burning fervor. These fuckers I have little patience for.

 

[Lazaran]

"he's a racist rapist piece of shit but he's nice to meeeee."

Nah, just my objective observations.

 

[Hel_Books]

I do agree with that definition of Jew. Note that it points out that Jews are indigenous to the land that is the modern state of Israel. The “West Bank” is the ancient twin kingdoms of the Jews: Israel in the north with its capital at the city of Samaria. Judah in the south with its capital at the city of Jerusalem.

But how does that square with the idea of religious conversion? I've known people who had no jews in their ancestry but now adhere to that religion. Do they fit the definition of "jewish"?

 

[Lazaran]

Atheists tend to project their bogeyman/paranoid views of religion onto Christians and Jews while being inexplicably and excessively tolerant of so many religions who execute atheists at their every opportunity.

Couldn’t help but lump "Christians" in with Jews…

Just for the record here I will admit that I separate atheists into a couple of groups:

IDGAF Atheists who don't care what other people believe so long as no one tries to force them to believe it, too. I generally get along with these folks.

Evangelical Atheists for whom it is not enough that they don't believe in God they have to convert you to their belief in order to justify their own and they do so with a burning fervor. These fuckers I have little patience for.

"Evangelical Atheists" are universally "IDGAF Atheists" who are forced to react to CONSTANT attacks on their freedom by "Christians" and Muslims.

Meanwhile:

I’m a hardcore atheist, and I have zero problems with Judaism as it relates to my freedom.

Hope that ^ helps.





We. Told. Them. So.

 

[Hel_Books]

Hel_Books said:
Quoting a little from Christopher Hitchens:

“I would be quite content to go to their children’s bar-mitzvahs, to marvel at their Gothic cathedrals, to ‘respect’ their belief that the Koran was dictated, though exclusively in Arabic, to an illiterate prophet, or to interest myself in Wicca and Hindu and Jain consolations. And as it happens, I will continue to do this without insisting on the polite reciprocal condition—which is that they in turn leave me alone. But this, religion is ultimately incapable of doing. As I write these words, and as you read them, people of faith are in their different ways planning your and my destruction. . . . Religion poisons everything.”

Hitchens is a culturally-Christian atheist. He makes the common atheist error of assuming all religions operate like Christianity. It’s not a bad assumption when you apply it to Islam, but falls on its face when it comes to Judaism.

On the contrary, in his book, Hitchens discusses encounters with believers of many different flavours and how they all "operate" in the same way. They are simply incapable of living their lives and letting others alone. You might point to particular individuals and say, "What about them? They are content to cultivate their gardens, as Voltaire would say." But, sadly, religion as a whole "operates" the way it does.

 

[Baztrachian]

"Evangelical Atheists" are universally "IDGAF Atheists" who are forced to react to CONSTANT attacks on their freedom by...Muslims.

Oh? Do tell, can you please cite an example of atheists standing up to Muslim oppression? I'd be happy to correct my views here if you can come up with such a citation.

 

[Baztrachian]

They are simply incapable of living their lives and letting others alone.

You mean they're leftists?

 

[Pad_Foot]

Clarification??
If someone converts to the Jewish religion, true Jews don’t consider them Jewish ?

 

[icanhelp1]

Judaism is different from the other “retarded cults” in that we don’t expect outsiders to obey our rules. Non-Jews can do whatever they want as long as they leave us alone.

Rubbery is an anti-Zionist not an anti-Semitist. IMHO. Although I don't believe Rubbery knows the difference.

 

[Bray123]

Atheists tend to project their bogeyman/paranoid views of religion onto Christians and Jews while being inexplicably and excessively tolerant of so many religions who execute atheists at their every opportunity.

Just for the record here I will admit that I separate atheists into a couple of groups:

IDGAF Atheists who don't care what other people believe so long as no one tries to force them to believe it, too. I generally get along with these folks.

Evangelical Atheists for whom it is not enough that they don't believe in God they have to convert you to their belief in order to justify their own and they do so with a burning fervor. These fuckers I have little patience for.

I've neve been stopped in the street and been told not to believe in a superstition.

I've been ranted at many times by wild-eyed people telling me to accept their particular old wives tale.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

On the contrary, in his book, Hitchens discusses encounters with believers of many different flavours and how they all "operate" in the same way. They are simply incapable of living their lives and letting others alone. You might point to particular individuals and say, "What about them? They are content to cultivate their gardens, as Voltaire would say." But, sadly, religion as a whole "operates" the way it does.

What encounters did Hitchens have with Jews? Ultra-orthodox Jews hector other Jews about being more observant, but they leave the goyim alone.

 

[Hel_Books]

Clarification??
If someone converts to the Jewish religion, true Jews don’t consider them Jewish ?

That's the way it is with religion. Some Christians consider Mormons to be "not real Christians." Plenty of Islamic sects consider other sects to be heretical or even "not real Moslems." Even some Jewish sects consider other sects to be "not real Jews." Look at the controversy about conversion in Israel.

"Before the ruling, the Law of Return had not recognized non-Orthodox conversions performed in Israel. Those who converted to Judaism in Israel under non-Orthodox auspices could not be recognized as Jews for purposes such as marriage and divorce."

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Clarification??
If someone converts to the Jewish religion, true Jews don’t consider them Jewish ?

Some of the ultra-orthodox reject coverts, but most Jews accept them.