Judaism AMA

[JohnEngelman]

The Israelis are doing the genocide -- you do not know better than Amnesty International.

I used to belong to Amnesty International. I quit when Amnesty International began criticizing Israel.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

I’m not convinced you’ve made a legitimate link between the awfulness of what happens/ happened in those states and the awfulness of what’s happening in Israel.
On rights -
What rights there are, are enshrined as unequal.
Jewish Israelis in Gaza have a superior position in the law compared to Palestinians; one is ruled by civil law, the other by military.
So it’s unsurprising that Palestinians suffer routine discrimination, displacement, disruption, even before the current attacks.
Defending such inequality consciously designates the group discriminated against as second class.


Respectfully, I think you and Engelman have fallen into the trap of responding to any legitimate criticism of Netanyahu, the Israeli state etc - whether you agree or not, whether it’s accurate or not - with comments about what Hamas and others have done to Jewish people.
Doesn’t that create a cycle of minimizing awful things done to one group if it’s carried out by the other group?
Would you make a five year old orphan starving to death in Gaza face accountability for what Jewish Israelis have suffered?
Do you not think that leads to more hate?

Israel forced the Israeli Jews living in Gaza to leave 20 years ago to give the land to the Arabs in exchange for peace. They even relocated Jewish graves out of Gaza. Instead of building a civil society, the Gazans built a terror state which resulted in the atrocities of October 7th. The Israeli army is currently in Gaza to free the hostages and topple Hamas.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Only 44 % of Israelis have any European roots. Look at their soldiers!
Even the ashkenazi choose, however, a percentage of North African DNA.
Polish Jews are not Polish dna, they have Jewish dna. They are from the 13 tribes.
Right now non-Jews own the banks and the media.
Watch out your antisemitism is showing.

Let's see what Google AI (which was developed in Israel if you believe @Hel_Books, which many don't) has to say about Noor's dubious "only 44%" claim

While there isn't a single definitive answer, studies suggest that a significant portion of Israelis have European ancestry, with estimates ranging from around 40% to 75%. This variation depends on whether you're referring to all Israelis or specifically Jewish Israelis and which populations are included under the umbrella of "European ancestry".

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

• Ashkenazi Jews:
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  A large portion of Israelis, particularly those with European ancestry, are Ashkenazi Jews, who traditionally lived in Europe. Studies suggest that their ancestry is a mix of Middle Eastern and European, with estimates ranging from 40% to 60% European, according to a study on Ashkenazi Jewish DNA.
  
  
• Other Jewish groups:
  .
  Sephardic and Mizrahi Jews, who have roots in the Iberian Peninsula and Arab countries respectively, also make up a significant portion of the Israeli Jewish population. While their ancestry is predominantly Middle Eastern, they may also have European admixture.
  
  
• Non-Jewish Israelis:
  .(ROBNOTE: LIKELYTO SOON BE EXTERMINATED BY THE GENOCIDAL ISRAELI GOVERNMENT AS PART OF GENOCIDAL ISRAEL'S ETHNIC CLEANSING POLICY)
  Non-Jewish Israelis, such as Arab Israelis, would have their own unique genetic makeup, generally reflecting their respective ethnic and cultural backgrounds.

Even the ashkenazi choose, however, a percentage of North African DNA.

People can "choose" their DNA? Who knew?

Polish Jews are not Polish dna, they have Jewish dna. They are from the 13 tribes.

Look how effortlessly Noor shifts between country of origin and religion to muddy them DNA issue!
A European Jew can have a substantial percentage of European DNA and a sliver of DNA from the mythical "13 tribes" but that makes them "Jewish" to Noor. This helps her to rationalize the re-colonization of Trans-Jordan from British Rule to basically what amounts to Polish/Russian/Ukranian Rule.

Right now non-Jews own the banks and the media.
Watch out your antisemitism is showing.

One suspects that Noor has lots and lots of data to back up her assertion that "non-Jews own the banks and the media". Her "proof' likely comes from the Israeli Public Affair (aka Propaganda) ministry, so take that with a grain of salt.

Right now non-Jews own the banks and the media.
Watch out your antisemitism is showing.

And as always, Noor, a huge afficionado of starving non-Jews via Israeli policy) attempts to shut down debate unilaterally by declaring that anyone who disagrees with her vile worldview is, of course, "antisemitic".

 

[JohnEngelman]

Israel forced the Israeli Jews living in Gaza to leave 20 years ago to give the land to the Arabs in exchange for peace. They even relocated Jewish graves out of Gaza. Instead of building a civil society, the Gazans built a terror state which resulted in the atrocities of October 7th. The Israeli army is currently in Gaza to free the hostages and topple Hamas.

Yay for BrightShinyGirl and Israel.

 

[MiaBabe23]

Israel forced the Israeli Jews living in Gaza to leave 20 years ago to give the land to the Arabs in exchange for peace. They even relocated Jewish graves out of Gaza. Instead of building a civil society, the Gazans built a terror state which resulted in the atrocities of October 7th. The Israeli army is currently in Gaza to free the hostages and topple Hamas.

I know it’s incredibly emotive, and I’m sure far more so for those who are Jewish/ Israeli/ Palestinian/ have family or know people who are there
But you are increasingly alone in insisting that the horrors committed by Hamas make it acceptable to inflict whatever suffering on thousands of innocent Palestinians that Netenyahu chooses - you’re then no longer talking about self-defense or security. You’re talking about vengeance
Jewish people and groups, and increasing numbers of Jewish Israeli people and groups, have condemned the horrors in the same way as others
Why do you not feel able to do the same?
Is there anything at all that Netenyahu has done or might do that you consider to be going too far?
If the answer is no, I think you’ve entered the same Messianization of Netenyahu as some Trump followers have done with Trump

 

[Shaglus_Ziegler]

Brainwashing does not exist.

ok engelmann...

 

[Shaglus_Ziegler]

I have a problem with the Palestinians because they cause problems for the Israelis.

ya move a bunch of europeans into their country and you're gonna have problems. man you're a low life. what a clown.

 

[Shaglus_Ziegler]

Yay for BrightShinyGirl and Israel.

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hey it's the rothschild family crest. you guys are the biggest losers... wow.

 

[Shaglus_Ziegler]

After posting this, "911 was cia/Mossad. Just like October 7," You have nerve claiming that anyone is delusional.

BrightShinyGirl has a brilliant mind. Your mind is twisted by hatred for the most accomplished 0.2% of the human population.

ya it was a bunch of dirt poor palestinians on hang gliders. ok dingleman. what a joke. the most accomplished .2% of the population. this story goes back to sumeria bro! ya somehow .2% of the population run 90% of banks and media. give me a break bro. there's a reason they've been kicked out of over 200 countries over the years. child sacrifice, pedophilia, usury and general rudeness... i have plenty friends who are "jewish" or who follow that fairy tale religion, just like christianity, and islam, fairy tales, astrotheology. christianity is a sun cult, son for them, and islam and judaism are moon cults. do some real research you clown. lol.

 

[JohnEngelman]

hey it's the rothschild family crest. you guys are the biggest losers... wow.

Jews win at everything. That is why people like you resent them.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

I know it’s incredibly emotive, and I’m sure far more so for those who are Jewish/ Israeli/ Palestinian/ have family or know people who are there
But you are increasingly alone in insisting that the horrors committed by Hamas make it acceptable to inflict whatever suffering on thousands of innocent Palestinians that Netenyahu chooses - you’re then no longer talking about self-defense or security. You’re talking about vengeance
Jewish people and groups, and increasing numbers of Jewish Israeli people and groups, have condemned the horrors in the same way as others
Why do you not feel able to do the same?
Is there anything at all that Netenyahu has done or might do that you consider to be going too far?
If the answer is no, I think you’ve entered the same Messianization of Netenyahu as some Trump followers have done with Trump

Hamas started a war which they are losing, so they've been flooding the world with false claims of Israel committing atrocities.

I don't care about Netanyahu. I want the hostages returned and Hamas defanged.

 

[JohnEngelman]

ya it was a bunch of dirt poor palestinians on hang gliders. ok dingleman. what a joke. the most accomplished .2% of the population. this story goes back to sumeria bro! ya somehow .2% of the population run 90% of banks and media. give me a break bro. there's a reason they've been kicked out of over 200 countries over the years. child sacrifice, pedophilia, usury and general rudeness... i have plenty friends who are "jewish" or who follow that fairy tale religion, just like christianity, and islam, fairy tales, astrotheology. christianity is a sun cult, son for them, and islam and judaism are moon cults. do some real research you clown. lol.

The intelligence of American Jews, by Richard Lynn​

Introduction​

It has often been asserted that Jews have a higher average level of intelligence than non-Jewish whites of European origin. Herrnstein and Murray (1994, p. 275) have written that “Whenever the subject of group differences comes up one of the questions sure to be asked is ‘Are Jews really smarter than everyone else?’ ” and their answer to this question is an affirmative. Eysenck (1995, p. 159) asserted that “As far as Jews are concerned, there is no question that they score very highly on IQ tests”. Levin (1997, p. 132) has written that “in every society in which they have participated, Jews have eventually been recognised (and disliked for) their exceptional talent”. Seligman (1992, p. 133) writes of “the extraordinarily high Jewish g levels”...

A review by MacDonald (1994, p. 190) concludes that “taken together, the data suggest a mean IQ in the 117 range for Ashkenazi Jewish children, with a verbal IQ in the range of 125 and a performance IQ in the average range”. Storfer (1990, p. 314) writes that “Jewish people, considered as a group, tend to excel in some cognitive domains—for example, verbal and numerical ability—but not in others, as witness their unexceptional performance on certain types of spatial or perceptual problems”. Storfer concludes that American Jews have an average IQ of about 112 on the Stanford-Binet, largely a test of verbal ability.

Herrnstein and Murray (1994, p. 275) reach a similar conclusion “A fair estimate seems to be that Jews in America and Britain have an overall IQ mean somewhere between a half and a full standard deviation above the mean, with the source of the difference concentrated in the verbal component” (1994, p. 275). In the sample they analysed, Jews had an average IQ of 112.6 in relation to American whites on four verbal subtests (word knowledge, paragraph comprehension, arithmetic and mathematics) of the AFQT (Armed Forces Qualification Test). Their estimate of a Jewish advantage of between a half and a full standard deviation is equivalent to an IQ range of 7.5–15 IQ points.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886903000795

The Jews are the most superior demographic on earth. They deserve the best. I love to watch them move up, move in, take over. As intelligence becomes increasingly important to our economy we will need more Jews.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

ya it was a bunch of dirt poor palestinians on hang gliders. ok dingleman. what a joke. the most accomplished .2% of the population. this story goes back to sumeria bro! ya somehow .2% of the population run 90% of banks and media. give me a break bro. there's a reason they've been kicked out of over 200 countries over the years. child sacrifice, pedophilia, usury and general rudeness... i have plenty friends who are "jewish" or who follow that fairy tale religion, just like christianity, and islam, fairy tales, astrotheology. christianity is a sun cult, son for them, and islam and judaism are moon cults. do some real research you clown. lol.

Gentiles often assume Judaism is a religion because Christianity and Islam stole so many of our religious traditions. But we're not like them. We're primarily an ethnicity. Atheist Jews are still Jews.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Gentiles often assume Judaism is a religion because Christianity and Islam stole so many of our religious traditions. But we're not like them. We're primarily an ethnicity. Atheist Jews are still Jews.

Gentiles can convert to Judaism.

 

[MiaBabe23]

Hamas started a war which they are losing, so they've been flooding the world with false claims of Israel committing atrocities.

I don't care about Netanyahu. I want the hostages returned and Hamas defanged.

Do you genuinely tell yourself that no innocent civilian, no child, no aid worker, has been targeted and killed? Including by official starvation tactics which were admitted to by Netenyahu?
Everyone wants the hostages freed and Hamas to cease to cause harm
But Netenyahu has decided on elimination not just of Hamas, but of Palestinians
Placing your hands over your eyes sadly doesn’t change the reality of what’s happening

 

[MiaBabe23]

I just have to say again, looking back at previous comments, what a shame it is that there are people of each ‘main’ view using insults and dog whistle or blatant racism on this thread, and that debate has become defensive and hostile
Why?
Probably everyone on the thread cares about peace. Why is it not possible to have a genuine discussion without hostility?

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Do you genuinely tell yourself that no innocent civilian, no child, no aid worker, has been targeted and killed? Including by official starvation tactics which were admitted to by Netenyahu?
Everyone wants the hostages freed and Hamas to cease to cause harm
But Netenyahu has decided on elimination not just of Hamas, but of Palestinians
Placing your hands over your eyes sadly doesn’t change the reality of what’s happening

Hamas was funding its military operations by stealing the humanitarian aid that was being sent to Gaza. True, it would have been kinder if Netanyahu had put an alternate humanitarian pipeline in place in the spring before blocking UN aid, but it would have been even better if the UN had cleaned house and stopped allying with terrorists. The UN and Amnesty International have badly damaged their reputations by they role they've played in the Gaza conflict. even the Red Cross and Doctors Without Borders have been compromised. The Red Cross has refused to visit the starving hostages and Doctors Without Border refused to treat Gaza Humanitarian Foundation workers who were wounded by Hamas.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Hamas was funding its military operations by stealing the humanitarian aid that was being sent to Gaza.

You do not have one scintilla of evidence to back up your bold-type lie. None. Zilch. Bupkis.

True, it would have been kinder if Netanyahu had put an alternate humanitarian pipeline in place in the spring before blocking UN aid, but it would have been even better if the UN had cleaned house and stopped allying with terrorists.

WhiteSlimyGirl is referring to the "twelve confessions" (out of 20,00 aid workers) that were used by the genocidal Israeli propaganda office to "prove" that Hamas had "infiltrated" UN relief agencies.

Virtually every news outlet in the world ran with this expose, because genocidal Israel produced copies of these so-called "confessions".

The relief agencies immediately terminated these 12 "double agents".

ONE, count 'em ONE British news agency actually risked the life of one of their reporters to sneak into Gaza to locate and do some actual journalism, interviewing these purported "Hamas supporters". Nine of the twelve were still alive (three had perished in genocidal Israel bombings). Every single one of these "Hamas supporters" independently indicated they signed their "confession" to stop "enhanced interrogation techniques" by the genocidal IDF. They simply wanted the torture to stop.

If you believe that confessions coerced via torture are valid, than you are incredibly naive or perhaps partisan to the point where you over look things that run counter to the genocidal Israeli narrative....things like torture, shooting aid workers and the deliberate starvation of innocent children.

The UN and Amnesty International have badly damaged their reputations by they role they've played in the Gaza conflict. even the Red Cross and Doctors Without Borders have been compromised. The Red Cross has refused to visit the starving hostages and Doctors Without Border refused to treat Gaza Humanitarian Foundation workers who were wounded by Hamas.

Attempting to blame relief agencies for the genocidal policies of the Israeli regime is a new low, even for you.
You represent the absolute worst of both the Jewish faith and humanity in general.

 

[JohnEngelman]

You do not have one scintilla of evidence to back up your bold-type lie. None. Zilch. Bupkis.

WhiteSlimyGirl is referring to the "twelve confessions" (out of 20,00 aid workers) that were used by the genocidal Israeli propaganda office to "prove" that Hamas had "infiltrated" UN relief agencies.

Virtually every news outlet in the world ran with this expose, because genocidal Israel produced copies of these so-called "confessions".

The relief agencies immediately terminated these 12 "double agents".

ONE, count 'em ONE British news agency actually risked the life of one of their reporters to sneak into Gaza to locate and do some actual journalism, interviewing these purported "Hamas supporters". Nine of the twelve were still alive (three had perished in genocidal Israel bombings). Every single one of these "Hamas supporters" independently indicated they signed their "confession" to stop "enhanced interrogation techniques" by the genocidal IDF. They simply wanted the torture to stop.

If you believe that confessions coerced via torture are valid, than you are incredibly naive or perhaps partisan to the point where you over look things that run counter to the genocidal Israeli narrative....things like torture, shooting aid workers and the deliberate starvation of innocent children.

Attempting to blame relief agencies for the genocidal policies of the Israeli regime is a new low, even for you.
You represent the absolute worst of both the Jewish faith and humanity in general.

Name calling is the lowest form of discourse.

Treat BrightShinyGirl with respect.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Gentiles can convert to Judaism.

Gentiles can convert to Judaism but only through years of diligent study and being grilled by a council of rabbis. It’s not as simple or easy as converting to Christianity or Islam, both of whom practice forced conversions under duress.

 

[MiaBabe23]

Hamas was funding its military operations by stealing the humanitarian aid that was being sent to Gaza.

Yes, something Hamas and Netanyahu have in common is their complete disregard of the welfare of Palestinian citizens
Both are acting unacceptably, aren’t they?

True, it would have been kinder if Netanyahu had put an alternate humanitarian pipeline in place in the spring before blocking UN aid,

Yes; his conscious decision to do the opposite is deeply disturbing, isn’t it

The UN and Amnesty International have badly damaged their reputations by they role they've played in the Gaza conflict.

Evidence?
They’ve mostly been stopped by a combination of Netenyahu and Hamas

even the Red Cross and Doctors Without Borders have been compromised. The Red Cross has refused to visit the starving hostages and Doctors Without Border refused to treat Gaza Humanitarian Foundation workers who were wounded by Hamas.

No. That’s factually inaccurate.
They’ve been denied access by Hamas

Your news sources seem to be bordering on conspiracy theory-laden
It can happen; I recommend AP and Reuters, and similar, to get an understanding of what’s actually happening

 

[Noor]

So you want revenge?
That’s egregiously awful and I’m gonna put you on ignore now

I know it’s incredibly emotive, and I’m sure far more so for those who are Jewish/ Israeli/ Palestinian/ have family or know people who are there
But you are increasingly alone in insisting that the horrors committed by Hamas make it acceptable to inflict whatever suffering on thousands of innocent Palestinians that Netenyahu chooses - you’re then no longer talking about self-defense or security. You’re talking about vengeance
Jewish people and groups, and increasing numbers of Jewish Israeli people and groups, have condemned the horrors in the same way as others
Why do you not feel able to do the same?
Is there anything at all that Netenyahu has done or might do that you consider to be going too far?
If the answer is no, I think you’ve entered the same Messianization of Netenyahu as some Trump followers have done with Trump

Jews are often alone in seeing the truth.

 

[Noor]

Do you genuinely tell yourself that no innocent civilian, no child, no aid worker, has been targeted and killed? Including by official starvation tactics which were admitted to by Netenyahu?
Everyone wants the hostages freed and Hamas to cease to cause harm
But Netenyahu has decided on elimination not just of Hamas, but of Palestinians
Placing your hands over your eyes sadly doesn’t change the reality of what’s happening

Did you miss what happened to children on Oct 7th?

 

[Shaglus_Ziegler]

Jews win at everything. That is why people like you resent them.

Win? Cheat , steal, lie? That’s not winning! It’s cowardice.

 

[Shaglus_Ziegler]

Did you miss what happened to children on Oct 7th?

All debunked. Propaganda! How many Palestinian children dead by now?