For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[ChloeTzang]

U.S. President Donald Trump said on the call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and European leaders after the summit held in Alaska that Vladimir Putin's stance hasn't changed he still wants Kyiv to cede control of the entire Donbas region in Ukraine's east, Bloomberg reported. "Trump said on the call that while it’s up to Ukraine to decide on what to do with its territory, Putin's stance hasn't changed – he still wants Kyiv to cede control of the entire Donbas region in Ukraine's east," the agency said that referring to people familiar with the matter who spoke on condition on anonymity.

Trump called his meeting productive, and signaled he would tell Zelenskiy to make a deal.

In other words, Trump is simply reiterating Putin's demands once again. Demands which Ukraine has already rejected. Poroshenko, one of two potential Ukrainian Presidential candidates other than Zelensky, has already said that a peace agreement is possible only after an unconditional ceasefire, and that concessions will have to be made by Putin. Zaluzhny, the likely winner in the next Ukrainian presidential elections, is more hardline than either Zelensky or Poroshenko.

In other words, Trump comes out of this looking like even more of a pro-Putin quisling than he has already demonstrarted himself. Roll on the total collapse of the Russian Federation, and Trumo can stick his illusionary trade deals with Russia up his ass. Wrapped in barbed wire and napalm.

 

[ChloeTzang]

 

[Baztrachian]

Trump has been made to look like a FOOL by Putin. Period.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Trump has been made to look like a FOOL by Putin. Period.

The real problem is, Trump doesn't see it like that at all. He's helping Putin and backstabbing Ukraine to consistently and blatantly for it to be anything other than intentional. He's constantly pushing Ukraine to make unnecesary concessions that will help Putin when he next attacks, while doing nothing to help Ukraine defend itself or defend it's civilians against Russian terror attacks. His actions speak far louder than his words, and his words speak very loudly indeed.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Update from Ukraine | Meeting result: Putin Humiliated USA in Alaska thanks to Idiot Trump​

Imagine Roosevelt rescuing Adolf Hitler from his bunker in Berlin and flying him to USA for a "meeting“. That’s what basically happened here.

Only outcome is humiliation, embarrassment and cringe for the USA due to Trump. All the follow on meetings and the dinner that was supposed to happen were cancelled.

Fox News also actually reported it as it was. Jacqui Heinrich for Fox actually seems a bit stunned by what happened, "...it's not good." "Putin steamrolled Trump"

Kremlin LEAKS Footage to HUMILIATE Trump​

Trump a 'complete sucker' as Putin plays him for all he's worth ​

Two days ago Trump said that after this meeting that if there were no ceasefire that there would be severe consequences for Russia. Putin talked him out of a ceasefire. Putin talked him out of sanctions. So predictable.

NATO are not serious about helping Ukraine | Stefanie Babst​

Alaska summit was complicity between two cartel chiefs carving out their interests. Trump has switched sides and is aiding Russia. - former NATO Deputy Assistant Secretary General Stefanie Babst.

“We really need to stop the talking circus and get into the doing mood.”

NATO has “not been that serious” about helping Ukraine, and moving forward, they need to help Ukraine without looking to Donald Trump and his actions, says former NATO Deputy Assistant Secretary General Stefanie Babst.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Sir Bill Browder joins Times Radio’s Maddie Hale
for an in depth analysis of Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin’s “humiliating” meeting where the US President left Alaska without a ceasefire, commitment to slap Russia with further sanctions or a peace deal being made.

- The Alaska summit was a travesty.
- Putin cares about sanctons, confiscation of reserves, etc.
- Main takeway - no ceasefire.
- Putin needs this war to distract Russians from his failures as a leader. This was in Ukraone is about Putin's survival and to stay in power
- Trump can offer nothing that will guarantee Putin that he can stay in power. There is no chance that Putin will pull back unless he has to due to absolute necessity.
- As for the "ceasefire" utimatum", Trump has done this six times now. He has no intention of following through and no credibility in Putin's eyes.
- Trump is returning home to a population, both Republican and Democrat, that increasingly wants to get tough on Putin and Russia.
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Quite a lot more that's interesting in this interview

Putin is in this war for his survival. If he doesn't win, he dies.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Kremlin Purges PARALYZE Russia’s Army​

The Kremlin is consumed by purges, with the FSB sabotaging generals and turning fear into policy. Russia’s army is paralyzed, morale has broken, and factories burn as Ukraine strikes deeper into Russian territory. From refineries to chemical plants to the Kerch bridge, Moscow is losing the fight abroad while tearing itself apart at home.

This is the unraveling of Putin’s regime - a power struggle where fear replaces strategy, and collapse is no longer a question of if, but when

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

WSJ this weekend:

How Will the War in Ukraine End? Two Scenarios

The Trump-Putin summit in Alaska is over, and peace in Ukraine isn’t yet nigh. But the two most likely endings to the Russian invasion are coming into view.

Ukraine could lose land but survive as a secure and sovereign, if shrunken, nation state. Alternatively, it could lose both land and sovereignty, falling back into Moscow’s sphere of influence.

Which will come to pass—and when—is no clearer after Alaska, which disappointed hopes for a diplomatic breakthrough.
https://www.wsj.com/world/how-will-...c0d99?st=KC7PEi&reflink=article_copyURL_share

 

[ll74]

WSJ this weekend:

How Will the War in Ukraine End? Two Scenarios

The Trump-Putin summit in Alaska is over, and peace in Ukraine isn’t yet nigh. But the two most likely endings to the Russian invasion are coming into view.

Ukraine could lose land but survive as a secure and sovereign, if shrunken, nation state. Alternatively, it could lose both land and sovereignty, falling back into Moscow’s sphere of influence.

Which will come to pass—and when—is no clearer after Alaska, which disappointed hopes for a diplomatic breakthrough.
https://www.wsj.com/world/how-will-...c0d99?st=KC7PEi&reflink=article_copyURL_share

The answer was clear after the meeting - ourr President supports Putin.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

The answer was clear after the meeting - ourr President supports Putin.

Nonsense

 

[ll74]

Nonsense

The entire event was in praise of Putin.
A war mongering murderous autocratic dictator.

They did nothing except stroke egos.

And then told Zelensky to fall in line.

Might as well just invite him over for drinks.
The event wasn't "peace through strength"
It was forced capitulation through mutual masturbation.

You're blind

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

The entire event was in praise of Putin.
A war mongering murderous autocratic dictator.

They did nothing except stroke egos.

And then told Zelensky to fall in line.

Might as well just invite him over for drinks.
The event wasn't "peace through strength"
It was forced capitulation through mutual masturbation.

You're blind

The meeting ended with no agreement. Nothing has changed. The three and a half year war continues to drag on with no end in sight. The outcome scenarios I shared from this weekend’s WSJ are on point.

 

[ll74]

The meeting ended with no agreement.

Yes, it was meant to stroke Putin's ego. Never meant for an agreement

Nothing has changed.

Lol

The three and a half year war continues to drag on with no end in sight. The outcome scenarios I shared from this weekend’s WSJ are on point.

Yes, Putin will continue to invade.

 

[coati]

Trump Always Chickens Out

Rubio is now on TV making excuses for this basic truth about the Orange Pig.

 

[ll74]

Nonsense

The biggest thing here is that Putin's entire argument is with NATO. And yet he did not attack a NATO country.

And yet he still decided NATO needs to capitulate. He also believes his country is on the same level as NATO...which is laughable.

I Think at some point Putin needs to be challenged....more than what has been done.

And yes, he has nukes..,..he says that a lot.

Make him challenge NATO

 

[Rebel5soul]

Some interesting subjects have been brought up lately, precisely that of 'land swaps.' Exactly how would that work and why would Russia be interested? Ukraine holds no land that was Russian. (Yes, there's that bulge up Kursk. More for show than any strategic value.)

So what gives with this 'land swap?' Reliable reports have stated that Russia has ordered all non-essential and military dependents out of the Crimea and have recommended that Russian citizens also evacuate. Is Russia considering offering up Crimea as a swap?

The more I think about it the more it makes sense. 200 years ago Crimea was an important strategic parcel of land, perhaps even a 100 years ago. Now it is a hard to defend albatross around the neck of whoever occupies it. In an era of precision long range weapons it's a logistic nightmare. The Ukrainians have rendered it almost useless as a maritime hub and are holding the airfields vulnerable. And it's sure as shit worthless as a base for an armored offense. I think it's entirely possible that Putin would offer to trade the Crimean Peninsula for the mineral rich region he already occupies.

 

[ll74]

Some interesting subjects have been brought up lately, precisely that of 'land swaps.' Exactly how would that work and why would Russia be interested? Ukraine holds no land that was Russian. (Yes, there's that bulge up Kursk. More for show than any strategic value.)

The land was USSR, which is what Putin wants

So what gives with this 'land swap?' Reliable reports have stated that Russia has ordered all non-essential and military dependents out of the Crimea and have recommended that Russian citizens also evacuate. Is Russia considering offering up Crimea as a swap?

No

The more I think about it the more it makes sense. 200 years ago Crimea was an important strategic parcel of land, perhaps even a 100 years ago. Now it is a hard to defend albatross around the neck of whoever occupies it. In an era of precision long range weapons it's a logistic nightmare. The Ukrainians have rendered it almost useless as a maritime hub and are holding the airfields vulnerable. And it's sure as shit worthless as a base for an armored offense. I think it's entirely possible that Putin would offer to trade the Crimean Peninsula for the mineral rich region he already occupies.

Russia wants
1. The USSR to be a thing again
2. Unfettered access to the black sea

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Yes, it was meant to stroke Putin's ego. Never meant for an agreement

Lol


Yes, Putin will continue to invade.

Correct. Putin will continue to invade and Ukraine will continue to fight until a negotiated settlement is reached at some point in the distant future. There is no scenario in which one side wins a decisive victory.

 

[HisArpy]

Some interesting subjects have been brought up lately, precisely that of 'land swaps.' Exactly how would that work and why would Russia be interested? Ukraine holds no land that was Russian. (Yes, there's that bulge up Kursk. More for show than any strategic value.)

So what gives with this 'land swap?' Reliable reports have stated that Russia has ordered all non-essential and military dependents out of the Crimea and have recommended that Russian citizens also evacuate. Is Russia considering offering up Crimea as a swap?

The more I think about it the more it makes sense. 200 years ago Crimea was an important strategic parcel of land, perhaps even a 100 years ago. Now it is a hard to defend albatross around the neck of whoever occupies it. In an era of precision long range weapons it's a logistic nightmare. The Ukrainians have rendered it almost useless as a maritime hub and are holding the airfields vulnerable. And it's sure as shit worthless as a base for an armored offense. I think it's entirely possible that Putin would offer to trade the Crimean Peninsula for the mineral rich region he already occupies.

Russia needs Crimea because of the military port there. Putin's not going to swap that for anything because it's why he invaded in the first place.

My concern with letting Russia have Crimea is that eventually someone will realize that it's locked by the Bosporus straight, which is controlled by Turkey. Once that happens, Turkey will be Russia's next target.

 

[ll74]

Correct. Putin will continue to invade and Ukraine will continue to fight until a negotiated settlement is reached at some point in the distant future. There is no scenario in which one side wins a decisive victory.

It hasn't been about a decisive victory since they failed at Kyiv.

Putin wants (like Kim Jung Un) to remain a relevant world leader.....even though he isn't beyond the bullshit that the right wants to give him.

Our President should be supporting peace, but instead is focused on giving Putin 30% of the land he hasn't advanced on.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Some interesting subjects have been brought up lately, precisely that of 'land swaps.' Exactly how would that work and why would Russia be interested? Ukraine holds no land that was Russian. (Yes, there's that bulge up Kursk. More for show than any strategic value.)

So what gives with this 'land swap?' Reliable reports have stated that Russia has ordered all non-essential and military dependents out of the Crimea and have recommended that Russian citizens also evacuate. Is Russia considering offering up Crimea as a swap?

The more I think about it the more it makes sense. 200 years ago Crimea was an important strategic parcel of land, perhaps even a 100 years ago. Now it is a hard to defend albatross around the neck of whoever occupies it. In an era of precision long range weapons it's a logistic nightmare. The Ukrainians have rendered it almost useless as a maritime hub and are holding the airfields vulnerable. And it's sure as shit worthless as a base for an armored offense. I think it's entirely possible that Putin would offer to trade the Crimean Peninsula for the mineral rich region he already occupies.

I haven’t read or heard anything about Crimea being on the table.

Here’s another quote from the WSJ article I linked to in an earlier post in this thread today:

Ukraine’s leadership has quietly come to accept that it doesn’t have the military strength to get its borders back in full. Last week, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky indicated his willingness to negotiate about territory in video calls with President Trump and European leaders—after a cease-fire that freezes the current front line.

 

[Rebel5soul]

Russia needs Crimea because of the military port there. Putin's not going to swap that for anything because it's why he invaded in the first place.

My concern with letting Russia have Crimea is that eventually someone will realize that it's locked by the Bosporus straight, which is controlled by Turkey. Once that happens, Turkey will be Russia's next target.

Like I said, the Ukrainians have rendered Sevastopol virtually useless. The Russians have already moved their important assets out of there.

 

[Pad_Foot]

The World is FUCKED with Putin’s Puppy back in line licking his ass and Putin’s

 

[Rebel5soul]

I haven’t read or heard anything about Crimea being on the table.

Here’s another quote from the WSJ article I linked to in an earlier post in this thread today:

Ukraine’s leadership has quietly come to accept that it doesn’t have the military strength to get its borders back in full. Last week, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky indicated his willingness to negotiate about territory in video calls with President Trump and European leaders—after a cease-fire that freezes the current front line.

There has been no public mention. I'm merely investigating possibilities based on Russia's evacuation orders.

 

[Rebel5soul]

Wouldn't be nice if the TDS posters would at least demonstrate they have two functioning brain cells to rub together?