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BabyBoomer50s said:
On a national basis, Democrats have done a far better job than Republicans at redistricting for partisan advantage, also known as gerrymandering. That’s why Texas is now invoking the nuclear option by redistricting mid-census cycle. Democrats are of course howling, and some states such as California and New York are threatening to retaliate. They would be wise to think twice about that.

WSJ opinion columnist Kimberley Strassel does a great job detailing the GOP’s structural advantage in a national redistricting war. In her words:

“In a nationwide redistricting race, Democrats don’t have much running room. They’ve already redistricted the dickens out of their states.”

She lays out the math and the political calculus. If the move by Texas spreads nationally, it’s a war Democrats are likely to lose. Strassel persuasively argues that Dems would be better off continuing their faux outrage at Texas to energize their base, but they’d be foolish to try retaliating. Let’s hope Dems ignore her.

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/democra...0b08f?st=5gSFoT&reflink=article_copyURL_share
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If you really believed that, you'd be cheerleading for the Dems to retaliate (and so would the WSJ).
 
BabyBoomer50s said:
On a national basis, Democrats have done a far better job than Republicans at redistricting for partisan advantage, also known as gerrymandering. That’s why Texas is now invoking the nuclear option by redistricting mid-census cycle.
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The usual bullshit from Totally Fact Free BabyBoom. 😆

Texas is more extremely gerrymandering its already gerrymandered map because Donnie told them to. He’s afraid of losing the House.
 
Rebel5soul said:
You're a broken record.

The congressional district boundaries have to be drawn/redrawn every ten years. When those districts are drawn/redrawn what will be the threshold that lives up to the definition of "Gerrymandering?"
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We're all going to find out this afternoon when the Texas House Democrats eventually return home....... and get arrested by DPS and Texas Rangers.
 
Rebel5soul said:
You're a broken record.

The congressional district boundaries have to be drawn/redrawn every ten years. When those districts are drawn/redrawn what will be the threshold that lives up to the definition of "Gerrymandering?"
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Gerrymandering should be illegal.

Having the party in power not have the overriding power is key.

I'm a broken record because my goals aren't relating to your bullshit
 
ll74 said:
Gerrymandering should be illegal.

Having the party in power not have the overriding power is key.

I'm a broken record because my goals aren't relating to your bullshit
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If you can't define what it is in unambiguous terms then you can't make it illegal...............period.
 
YDB95 said:
If you really believed that, you'd be cheerleading for the Dems to retaliate (and so would the WSJ).
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The column is paywalled so you probably didn’t read it. You can get around it with this link. http://archive.today/

Two things can be true at the same time. The Democrats have a structural disadvantage today. If they follow through with their threats, they will likely lose.

But many Republicans, even in Texas, have reservations about redrawing the lines. Not every GOP district is safe for every incumbent. Some GOP Congress members in competitive districts will have to run expensive campaigns they wouldn’t otherwise have to run if the lines don’t change.

The maps, math, and politics favor the GOP in the short run. But it’s not risk free for some GOP incumbents and the long term is anyone’s guess.
 
MajorRewrite said:
The usual bullshit from Totally Fact Free BabyBoom. 😆

Texas is more extremely gerrymandering its already gerrymandered map because Donnie told them to. He’s afraid of losing the House.
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Strassel’s numbers are easily verifiable if you don’t believe them. You probably didn’t even read the column.

Of course Texas is gerrymandered. So is NJ, NY, IL, MA, OR, CA and many other states. The parties in power gerrymander to achieve partisan advantage. It’s been going on for more than 200 years and the Democrats have done a much better job at it than the GOP in modern times. Did you think it started in TX? Lol. And of course Trump wants to keep the House in GOP hands.
 
BabyBoomer50s said:
On a national basis, Democrats have done a far better job than Republicans at redistricting for partisan advantage, also known as gerrymandering. That’s why Texas is now invoking the nuclear option by redistricting mid-census cycle. Democrats are of course howling, and some states such as California and New York are threatening to retaliate. They would be wise to think twice about that.

WSJ opinion columnist Kimberley Strassel does a great job detailing the GOP’s structural advantage in a national redistricting war. In her words:

“In a nationwide redistricting race, Democrats don’t have much running room. They’ve already redistricted the dickens out of their states.”

She lays out the math and the political calculus. If the move by Texas spreads nationally, it’s a war Democrats are likely to lose. Strassel persuasively argues that Dems would be better off continuing their faux outrage at Texas to energize their base, but they’d be foolish to try retaliating. Let’s hope Dems ignore her.

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/democra...0b08f?st=5gSFoT&reflink=article_copyURL_share
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LOL! So Texas should be allowed to do it but you’ll rage if NY and California do the same thing???

Maybe your party should adopt a platform that people would actually vote for.
 
BabyBoomer50s said:
WSJ opinion columnist Kimberley Strassel does a great job …
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It’s amusing that the opinion piece that BabyBoom links unwittingly makes the opposite argument he thinks it does.

First she acknowledges Texas’ “cynical gerrymander” and the fact it’s a partisan move:

If left at that, Republicans would probably have contained their cynical gerrymander ambitions to Texas, maybe even suffered voter blowback for the partisan move.
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Then she admits Democrats have opposed gerrymandering by setting up independent commissions. She even points out that attempts to offset the “cynical gerrymander” of Republican states will be difficult because of the commissions.

Add to this that many blue states have complicated their redistricting efforts by adopting “independent” commissions. Democrats recognized that mistake years ago and tried to remedy it with national legislation foisting such commissions on every state, but Congress didn’t pass it.
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In summary, the propaganda piece was written by an imbecile who proves the opposite of what she intended. 😆
 
SgtSpiderMan said:
LOL! So Texas should be allowed to do it but you’ll rage if NY and California do the same thing???

Maybe your party should adopt a platform that people would actually vote for.
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It’s not a question of Texas “being allowed” to do. They ARE allowed to do it and it looks like they probably will.

California is “allowed” to do it as well, but only if they can get 2/3 of the legislature to agree to putting a measure on the statewide November ballot asking voters to set aside the independent redistricting commission aside for this special case, and if they can get 2/3 of the voters to approve it. I would not recommend betting on that happening.
 
BabyBoomer50s said:
It’s not a question of Texas “being allowed” to do. They ARE allowed to do it and it looks like they probably will.

California is “allowed” to do it as well, but only if they can get 2/3 of the legislature to agree to putting a measure on the statewide November ballot asking voters to set aside the independent redistricting commission aside for this special case, and if they can get 2/3 of the voters to approve it. I would not recommend betting on that happening.
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Ok, so you suddenly have no issue with another state doing this and you’re cool with Texas doing it because Trump is so far in the hole.
Thanks for clarifying.
 
BabyBoomer50s said:
The column is paywalled so you probably didn’t read it. You can get around it with this link. http://archive.today/

Two things can be true at the same time. The Democrats have a structural disadvantage today. If they follow through with their threats, they will likely lose.

But many Republicans, even in Texas, have reservations about redrawing the lines. Not every GOP district is safe for every incumbent. Some GOP Congress members in competitive districts will have to run expensive campaigns they wouldn’t otherwise have to run if the lines don’t change.

The maps, math, and politics favor the GOP in the short run. But it’s not risk free for some GOP incumbents and the long term is anyone’s guess.
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My beloved home State of Texas will be staying Red FOREVER!
 
SgtSpiderMan said:
Ok, so you suddenly have no issue with another state doing this and you’re cool with Texas doing it because Trump is so far in the hole.
Thanks for clarifying.
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I’m explaining the reality of the situation. If you don’t like it, keep your head in the sand.
 
icanhelp1 said:
How many are legitimate?

Slimy connected politicians like Biden and HRC are often guilty but never prosecuted.
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Biden was bought and paid for by the CCP and others. He was never the real President, he was a tool of corrupt unelected bureaucrats and power-hungry family members.
 
Rightguide said:
Biden was bought and paid for by the CCP and others. He was never the real President, he was a tool of corrupt unelected bureaucrats and power-hungry family members.
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Comrade RightGuide is unintentionally a perfect parody of MAGA sheep lunatics. 😆
 
Please please please
Post proof that Dems ever did this between census .. censuses .. cencii ?
If not? Ok? New precedent being set
 
Pad_Foot said:
Please please please
Post proof that Dems ever did this between census .. censuses .. cencii ?
If not? Ok? New precedent being set
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Here's a list of notable cases involving Democratic racial gerrymandering over the last 30 years resulting from a simple search:

1. Shaw v. Reno (1993)​


  • State: North Carolina
  • Party in Control: Democrat-controlled legislature
  • Summary:
    The DOJ (under the first Bush administration) pressured North Carolina to create a second majority-Black district after the 1990 census. The Democratic legislature complied by drawing bizarre, snake-like lines to link distant Black populations.
  • Ruling:
    The Supreme Court ruled that race-based redistricting must be held to strict scrutiny, even if it's intended to help minorities. The district was declared unconstitutional.
  • Significance:
    Landmark case that established racial gerrymandering is unconstitutional even when it's meant to comply with the VRA. First case to hold that racial considerations alone are not a valid basis for districting.


🔷 2. Miller v. Johnson (1995)​


  • State: Georgia
  • Party in Control: Democrats
  • Summary:
    Georgia created a majority-Black congressional district (the 11th), stretching from Atlanta to Savannah, to satisfy DOJ demands. It was drawn almost entirely based on race, and was visually and demographically absurd.
  • Ruling:
    The Supreme Court struck it down, reinforcing Shaw v. Reno. The Court held that the district was an unconstitutional racial gerrymander, violating the Equal Protection Clause.
  • Impact:
    Major blow to the use of race as the predominant factor in redistricting, even for liberal legislatures trying to comply with VRA mandates.


🔷 3. Bush v. Vera (1996)​


  • State: Texas
  • Party in Control: Democrat-controlled legislature
  • Summary:
    Texas created three oddly shaped minority-majority districts after the 1990 census, in part to comply with VRA pressure. The Democratic legislature used race as the primary factor, drawing lines to create Black and Hispanic districts.
  • Ruling:
    The Supreme Court struck down all three districts as racial gerrymanders.
  • Takeaway:
    Another rebuke of Democrat-led attempts to use race as a proxy for political goals, even when backed by civil rights justifications.


🔷 4. Easley v. Cromartie (2001)​


  • State: North Carolina
  • Party in Control: Democrats
  • Summary:
    A continuation of litigation over North Carolina’s 12th District, one of the most notoriously gerrymandered districts ever. The Democratic legislature claimed it was drawn based on partisanship, not race.
  • Ruling:
    In a surprise 5–4 ruling, the Court upheld the district, saying that partisan motivations were acceptable, even if they correlated with race.
  • Impact:
    Opened the door for partisan gerrymandering to be shielded as long as race is not the “predominant factor.” This blurred the line between racial and partisan motives, giving Democrats more cover.


🔷 5. Page v. Virginia State Board of Elections (2015)​


  • State: Virginia
  • Party in Control: Democrats previously drew the districts
  • Summary:
    A Democratic-drawn House district (CD 3) had packed Black voters into one district to preserve surrounding white Democrat incumbents. This suppressed Black voting influence in adjacent districts.
  • Ruling:
    A federal court found that the district was an unconstitutional racial gerrymander.
  • Note:
    While Virginia was transitioning to Republican control, this district was originally drawn to protect white Democrats from challenges in racially mixed areas.


🔷 6. Bethune-Hill v. Virginia Board of Elections (2017 & 2019)​


  • State: Virginia
  • Party in Control: Democrat-led decisions influenced the original lines
  • Summary:
    Plaintiffs challenged 12 state legislative districts as racial gerrymanders. The case centered on the mandatory 55% Black voting-age population target used to draw certain districts.
  • Ruling:
    The Supreme Court ruled that race cannot be the predominant factor unless justified narrowly. Some districts were upheld, others struck down.
  • Context:
    The lines originally drawn in pre-clearance era under the VRA involved race-based targets — typically used by Democrats in the name of compliance.


🔷 7. Abbott v. Perez (2018)​


  • State: Texas
  • Party in Control: Originally Democrat (1990s), later Republican
  • Summary:
    A long-running case about racial gerrymandering in Texas — some of the disputed maps were drawn by Democrats before Republicans took over.
  • Ruling:
    The Court mostly sided with Texas, but it highlighted how race-based gerrymandering was normalized by Democrats prior to 2003.


🔷 8. Illinois & Maryland – Federal Court Cases (2010s)​


  • State: Illinois and Maryland
  • Party in Control: Democrats
  • Summary:
    In both states, Republicans and watchdogs sued over maps that packed minority voters, particularly in urban areas, to protect white Democratic incumbents in swing districts.
  • Outcome:
    Courts declined to intervene in several cases, but the racial packing was widely documented, especially in Maryland’s CD6 and Illinois CD4.


⚖️ LEGAL THEMES​


  • Packing: Concentrating a racial group into one district to reduce its influence elsewhere. Often used by Democrats to protect incumbents.
  • Cracking: Splitting a racial minority among several districts to weaken their voting power.
  • Predominant Factor: If race is the primary basis for drawing lines, strict scrutiny applies.
 
MajorRewrite said:
Every MAGA accusation is a confession. You actually admire the Petulant Man-Baby who throws tantrums regularly. 😄
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Your party has zero credibility. All that's left is a chorus of communists, haters, racists, and the shrill voices of the proudly ignorant.
 
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