Was my story rejected because it was too extreme?

[TheLobster]

You can send her DMs and add notes to the admin while submitting, but until she has the opportunity to see the whole picture, why should she take the chance?

One could also argue that even if the series as a whole doesn't violate the content rules, the individual chapters are and that precludes them from being published as a separate submissions.

If I were OP, I'd try to merge everything into a single story before submitting it. A note to admin probably wouldn't hurt, but the important thing IMO is to let the site's editor see the full picture.

It may not be the exact reading experience you were looking for, since the resulting publication may be longer than what you think is reasonable, but it's better than not being able to publish it on Lit at all.

 

[TheNovelist2000]

One could also argue that even if the series as a whole doesn't violate the content rules, the individual chapters are and that precludes them from being published as a separate submissions.

If I were OP, I'd try to merge everything into a single story before submitting it. A note to admin probably wouldn't hurt, but the important thing IMO is to let the site's editor see the full picture.

It may not be the exact reading experience you were looking for, since the resulting publication may be longer than what you think is reasonable, but it's better than not being able to publish it on Lit at all.

Chapter 1 to 6 were published in the same document. And I don’t mind waiting until I finish the whole story. (Maybe three more chapters.) Thanks.

 

[lovecraft68]

For everyone showing indignation that the OP doesn't understand the 'rule'

I now expect you to run to the Mind control category where no consent is ever given and report all those stories. If you won't, then maybe you should stop acting like you care about 'rules' here.

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

I don't support those types of stories here, or anywhere.

There is something to be said for allowing these types of thoughts a written outlet so they don't turn into physical real life actions. I worry about what some might do it they can't post certain things to get them out of their system.

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

MC may have a place in sci/fi, alternate world stories. It does not have a place in our earthworld, nor do 'drugged' victim stories.

 

[TheNovelist2000]

For everyone showing indignation that the OP doesn't understand the 'rule'

I now expect you to run to the Mind control category where no consent is ever given and report all those stories. If you won't, then maybe you should stop acting like you care about 'rules' here.

Thank you. Exactly!

 

[pink_silk_glove]

MC may have a place in sci/fi, alternate world stories. It does not have a place in our earthworld, nor do 'drugged' victim stories.

You're starting to sound like Stacnash.

 

[TheNovelist2000]

I don't support those types of stories here, or anywhere.

There is something to be said for allowing these types of thoughts a written outlet so they don't turn into physical real life actions. I worry about what some might do it they can't post certain things to get them out of their system.

Then what kind of stories do you expect on Literotica? Let’s go through the categories. Taboo/incest — do you really think we should be having sex with our own mothers, even if it’s consensual? Would you? Just because you’ve read incest stories on Literotica, does that mean you’d do it in real life? Let’s say you can’t get those fantasies out of your system — would you? What about the Anal category? Do you think people should talk about a girl’s asshole in real life the way it’s described there? Would you ever compliment a friend by saying they have a “succulent asshole”? And what about Exhibitionism? Should flashing be acceptable in real life? Even if you and your buddies consent to show yourselves to each other — would you do it in a mall? Or the non-human categories — aliens, ghosts, monsters. By that logic, should we also ban movies about murder, theft, or betrayal? Should there be no fiction about lying, cheating, or manipulation? Daenerys Targaryen ate a horse’s heart on TV, and none of us ran out to do the same. People shoot others in video games all the time — that doesn’t make them killers. John Wick killed three people with a pencil on screen, but no one tries that in real life. So why is it so hard to understand that reading mind control, ravishment, or extreme domination stories doesn’t mean someone will act that way in real life? Fiction is fiction. Fantasy is fantasy.

 

[lovecraft68]

MC may have a place in sci/fi, alternate world stories. It does not have a place in our earthworld, nor do 'drugged' victim stories.

Thank you so much for this comment. I want everyone to look at this "Don't do drugged victim stories here" So, again....what do you call Mind Control? But it has an entire category of drugged rape stories. Great way to prove my point.

Then, as I did with the Mind Control category, I extend to you the invitation to run to the Loving Wives forum and report some of the flat-out brutal torture stories and also women being drugged and raped stories that exist there and unlike NC, that category doesn't see it as a kink, they see it as what they really want to happen, the comments are more unhinged and rule breaking than the stories. If not? Maybe think about not making replies like this.

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

No matter how hard you might try to make it seem so, we don't disagree. There are a very large number of stories here that should not be, but reporting tens of thousands of them won't really accomplish much.

 

[BobbyBrandt]

Right. She has the right to publish only when she feels that the publication complies the guidelines. But sometimes she can make the mistake of overlooking some bits that would indeed convince her that the author is well within the guidelines. That’s what the massage box is for. I agree with the rejection if she was displeased with the rape scene (due to lack of the subject’s enjoyment. My mistake.) But I think if she finds Brucie’s character problematic, it can very well be the case that she missed the bits where Brucie enjoyed or was thrilled and explaining those bits to her would make a difference.

Context matters more than content.

I have a story here, that when it was posted by chapter (I submitted all the individual chapters at the same time), one chapter near the middle of the story got reported a couple of times by readers and taken down by the automated process. Laurel kept restoring it because she recognized the scene related to the greater context of the story. Since those individual chapters were removed and replaced with a single file submission of the story, there have been no more issues with readers.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

No matter how hard you might try to make it seem so, we don't disagree. There are a very large number of stories here that should not be, but reporting tens of thousands of them won't really accomplish much.

Cop out. Not surprised. Like at all.

 

[djrip]

For everyone showing indignation that the OP doesn't understand the 'rule'

I now expect you to run to the Mind control category where no consent is ever given and report all those stories. If you won't, then maybe you should stop acting like you care about 'rules' here.

There is no rule on this site requiring consent. The rule is there must be enjoyment.

 

[djrip]

MC may have a place in sci/fi, alternate world stories. It does not have a place in our earthworld, nor do 'drugged' victim stories.

That's, like, your opinion, man.

 

[djrip]

You can probably 'fix' the auxiliary rape scene by Mira physically enjoying it at least a little bit but still being pissed off at Jason for violating her consent. She'd probably have to be somewhat annoyed at her body's involuntary responses, but that aspect doesn't have to be a particularly big deal.

In other words, what would matter the most for their breakup would be the violation of trust and consent, and less the exact physical details of the non-consensual encounter (which can be made more 'favorable' then to Mira).

This is the way, if you do want to put the story here and have the noncon element. She must feel pleasure during the physical experience. She can still hate his guts for doing it to her without her consent.

 

[lovecraft68]

There is no rule on this site requiring consent. The rule is there must be enjoyment.

And people being controlled are enjoying it how? Because they're told to? Not to mention a lot of those stories are not done in a fun loving manner so to speak.

Next...

 

[NotWise]

And people being controlled are enjoying it how? Because they're told to? Not to mention a lot of those stories are not done in a fun loving manner so to speak.

Next...

There's a challenge that needs creative solutions.

 

[TarnishedPenny]

Yes, if I explicitly state that they are enjoying the process, their masochism doesn’t shine through.

You seem intent on painting yourself into a corner. We've all done that, I guess, but I would suggest not overthinking things.

First off, I strongly suspect, based only on the number of new stories posted each day, that some sort of computer screening is done, with rejections automatically sent out if there's a perceived problem. The way to get around that, if there is any kind of ambiguity - your 'guilty schoolgirl' could be one - is to put a note in the bottom box of the submission page noting the phrase and saying outright that it's just a figure of speech.

I do not see the overall darkness as being responsible for rejection. There are darker here, I suspect. It's not to my taste, but then I have my own quirks.

Critically, if the rejection note specified a perceived lack of enjoyment, then that's almost certainly the reason it was bounced. The rule is artificial, okay. It may be unrealistic. It may even be offensive to some. It's still the rule. Every item we send in has to comply with it and postponing the 'pleasure' to another chapter just ain't going to cut it. I empathize with your problem, but it's the rules of the game. Not to seem brittle or go all Karen on you, but if you cannot meet that requirement, then you're going to have to find another place to publish. They do exist. On the other hand, it's not going to be easy, but I think you can find a way to show some iota of enjoyment, enough to satisfy the rules. It'll be easier less effort in the long run to do that than to try and find a way to dodge the site instructions.

Seriously, good luck.

 

[Britva415]

The rape scene isn’t central to the story at all.

I can write something else instead of rape.

You could also have the rape happen offscreen. Just make it “true,” narratively speaking, instead of writing the scene. Don’t try to have a “prurient interest” in it by being explicit about it. Stories can be about post-rape characters without the “enjoyment” caveat as long as the abusive, traumatic rape with the “rapekink workaround” itself isn’t in the story.

Beyond that, my opinion is that “rape caused by alcohol” is both not plausible and a misdirection away from the guy’s guilt and criminality. A drunken rapist isn’t “not a rapist” when not drunk. Beer doesn’t cause an otherwise perfectly fine man to involuntarily rape.

 

[TheNovelist2000]

Context matters more than content.

I have a story here, that when it was posted by chapter (I submitted all the individual chapters at the same time), one chapter near the middle of the story got reported a couple of times by readers and taken down by the automated process. Laurel kept restoring it because she recognized the scene related to the greater context of the story. Since those individual chapters were removed and replaced with a single file submission of the story, there have been no more issues with readers.

Ok. I guess I will try to soften the rape, allowing Mira to enjoy and wrap it all up before submitting again.

 

[TheNovelist2000]

This is the way, if you do want to put the story here and have the noncon element. She must feel pleasure during the physical experience. She can still hate his guts for doing it to her without her consent.

Yes. I think so too. Enjoyable rape means the break-up is less clean, but I can live with that. The couple can try again, and Mira finds that she can’t look past the rape and end the relationship.

 

[TheNovelist2000]

Not to seem brittle or go all Karen on you, but if you cannot meet that requirement, then you're going to have to find another place to publish. They do exist. On the other hand, it's not going to be easy, but I think you can find a way to show some iota of enjoyment, enough to satisfy the rules.

I think some of you have misunderstood me. The whole purpose of this thread has been to fix the story so that it can be accepted. I only brought up other sites when it seemed like a large part of the story would need to be rewritten to comply with the guidelines. My reluctance to rewrite in those cases doesn’t mean I’m being subversive or disrespectful of the rules. I do respect them. This is Laurel’s platform, and her rules matter. But what’s the point of publishing a story if fixing it ends up turning it into something entirely different? That’s why I mentioned other sites. I’m not saying that’s the case this time. With the advice I’ve received in this thread, I believe the story can be salvaged without changing it too drastically. I just need to revise the scene to make the rape enjoyable for Mira.

 

[TheNovelist2000]

Beyond that, my opinion is that “rape caused by alcohol” is both not plausible and a misdirection away from the guy’s guilt and criminality. A drunken rapist isn’t “not a rapist” when not drunk. Beer doesn’t cause an otherwise perfectly fine man to involuntarily rape.

This is worth some consideration. Can a man with a dominant streak in the bedroom be drunk enough on beers to convince himself that he’s engaging in consensual BDSM with his girlfriend while in fact he’s pushing things too far? Might be a bit of a stretch. But I am not sure. Have to rewrite it first and feel it. I guess I can make the boyfriend unfaithful or something like that to set up the break-up. And that might work as well.

 

[AH_Mod]

I've removed the off-topic argument and kink shaming.

 

[TarnishedPenny]

Sorry if I misunderstood. Good luck.