Judaism AMA

[Hel_Books]

Always a big fan of pogroms you are, as long as it's the genocidal Israelis doin' the pogrommin'.

Google AI write that for you too?

The list of insults goes back a long way: christ-killers, shylocks, big-nosed bankers, . . . now you're supporting the genocidal Hamas terror organization by saying oh-n-n-no-it's-not-the-moslems-it-it-it's-the-jews-yeah-th-th-they're-the-genocidals.

It'll all end soon, when Iran gets the nuke bombs to put on their ballistic missiles.

 

[MiaBabe23]

The war would end immediately if Hamas released the hostages, surrendered, and laid down its arms. The UN contributed to the food shortage in Gaza by refusing to deliver aid unless they could make sure Hamas got a cut.

Netanyahu prioritized ‘total victory’ as more important to him than the hostages when an opportunity to secure their release arose, though, didn’t he. Many families of the hostages are understood to have been devastated by his approach
It’s also a longstanding, seemingly intractable conflict; one of the future tragedies of all of this is those who will very likely be radicalized to violence among both Israelis and Palestinians

I don’t think what you say about food aid is correct, could you provide a source/ details? Hamas has at times caused disruption at distribution points, but the far greater problem has been Netanyahu’s decision to limit aid at levels well below what’s needed, and interfering with aid agency efforts

 

[Hel_Books]

Netanyahu prioritized ‘total victory’ as more important to him than the hostages when an opportunity to secure their release arose, though, didn’t he. Many families of the hostages are understood to have been devastated by his approach

Perhaps, but just ask Gilad Shalit how giving in to terrorist hostage-takers just encourages more hostage taking.

 

[MiaBabe23]

I respectfully disagree with your assertion.

To the contrary, I sure as HELL CAN AND WILL reduce this to "a binary".

Either you support government-sanctioned starvation of innocent children in a grotesque attempt to subdue a civilian population....or you don't.

There is no middle ground" here.

None whatsoever.

What side are you on, MiaBabe?

I've made my choice. I stand against starvation of children.

My only concern is that people aren’t being subjected to all of this horror, wherever they’re from, whatever their religion or nationality
The fact that I disagree with someone doesn’t then justify mocking pogroms and talking to people as you have been…

 

[MiaBabe23]

Perhaps, but just ask Gilad Shalit how giving in to terrorist hostage-takers just encourages more hostage takin many lives would you have

So how many innocent Gazans would you consider acceptable to be killed in order to not seen to be ‘giving in’?
That sounds a ridiculous, horrific question doesn’t it
Yet that’s the mindset of Netanyahu, and it’s truly chilling

 

[naughySoul]

I find the way some people are talking on this thread - of both perspectives, if it can be reduced to a binary, which it can’t - to be really quite alarming
There are vigorous disagreements; but treating such a horrific situation for points scoring is surely below everyone
I get the impression BrightShiny created this thread in good faith, and was brave to do so.

Totally agree.

So much of this is hyper polarized that people seem more focused on scoring points than actually grappling with the real human suffering at the heart of this.

Thanks for bringing it back to a more constructive conversation.

 

[Hel_Books]

Hel_Books said:
Perhaps, but just ask Gilad Shalit how giving in to terrorist hostage-takers just encourages more hostage takin many lives would you have

So how many innocent Gazans would you consider acceptable to be killed in order to not seen to be ‘giving in’?

Oh, I quite agree! If there is, eventually, a peace (assuming Iran doesn't finish building a bomb and putting it on a ballistic missile and incinerating a lot of real estate) it will be like the peace Europe achieved in 1945. Lots of dead. Borders realigned. But everybody eventually (except in that southeast corner, Yugoslavia etc.) agreed it was better to have ploughshares than swords.

Now they're more-or-less happy from Dublin to Warsaw, from Helsinki to Malta, and nobody is looking to start the killing again. How long will it take the moslems to learn from 20th century Europe? And in an aside, will the PRC learn from the European example of the collapse of empires and refrain from adventurism in Taiwan, the South China Sea, Tibet, Xinjiang, etc?

 

[JohnEngelman]

The Israeli government is anti-semitic.

No, you are.

 

[RobDownSouth]

My only concern is that people aren’t being subjected to all of this horror, wherever they’re from, whatever their religion or nationality
The fact that I disagree with someone doesn’t then justify mocking pogroms and talking to people as you have been…

I've read your answer three times and I admit I do not understand your point.

I don't want to ascribe a position to you (that's Hel_brooks' speciality) but my take on your somewhat opaque comment is that you yourself are against government-sponsored child starvation....but you're taking issue with how *I* personally frame my commentary?

Is that a proper read of your response?

Tell me.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Hammas should be required to release the Israeli hostages before the people of Gaza get any food shipments. They started this war. We did not give food shipments to the Japanese and the Germans while we fought them. They had to surrender first.

 

[Rightguide]

Your talking point was throroughly debunked in my Post 773 above.

It's not a "hoax". It's not a "full retraction" either. It's a one line clarification of a single sentence, that in no way shape or form invalidates the fact that genocidal Israel is starving innocent children in Gaza.

Go be ignorant somewhere else, you potato-fed, inbred and nearly dead septuagenarian dullard.

Sounds like you're still in mourning that 200-plus child predators ICE took off Houston's streets the other day. You've way overestimated my age. I'm not in your generation.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The Washington Post:​

60,000 Gazans have been killed. ​

18,500 were children.
These are their names.​

The Washington Post obtained the official Gazan death registry of every single death in Gaza since the Israeli genocide campaign began. The list was provided by the Gazan Health Ministry (which pro-genocide posters here will undoubtedly insist is a "hamas organization" as if that has any bearing on things any longer). It does not distinguish between military and civilian deaths. Just the names and ages of the victims of the Israeli pogrom.

The truly sickening thing is you can scroll down 50 screens and the Post has a marker "this marks one percent of child casualties so far".

In the name of "fairness" (not that genocidal Israel was ever "fair"), the Washington Post prints the usual Israeli rationalization for starving opponents children.

It also has direct quotes from a large number of leaders and organizations condemning Israel's sordid barbaric behavior.

The usual suspects will be in here shortly with their usual rationalizations. Count the number of deflections, red herrings, ascriptions, pivots to Nazis/1948.....anything to draw attention away from Israel's evil genocide.

In my mind, Israel no longer has any "right to exist".
They had their chance........and they opted for genocide to settle ancient grudges.

These are NOT "God's Chosen People". These are barbarians with no conscience.

 

[JohnEngelman]

The Washington Post:​

60,000 Gazans have been killed. ​

18,500 were children.​

These are their names.​

The Washington Post obtained the official Gazan death registry of every single death in Gaza since the Israeli genocide campaign began. The list was provided by the Gazan Health Ministry (which pro-genocide posters here will undoubtedly insist is a "hamas organization" as if that has any bearing on things any longer). It does not distinguish between military and civilian deaths. Just the names and ages of the victims of the Israeli pogrom.

The truly sickening thing is you can scroll down 50 screens and the Post has a marker "this marks one percent of child casualties so far".

In the name of "fairness" (not that genocidal Israel was ever "fair"), the Washington Post prints the usual Israeli rationalization for starving opponents children.

It also has direct quotes from a large number of leaders and organizations condemning Israel's sordid barbaric behavior.

The usual suspects will be in here shortly with their usual rationalizations. Count the number of deflections, red herrings, ascriptions, pivots to Nazis/1948.....anything to draw attention away from Israel's evil genocide.

In my mind, Israel no longer has any "right to exist".
They had their chance........and they opted for genocide to settle ancient grudges.

These are NOT "God's Chosen People". These are barbarians with no conscience.

The Palestinians should have considered that before their October 7, 2023 on Israel.

The Israelis only want to live in peace in a small strip of land. If the Palestinians continue to attack Israel, the Palestinians will continue to pay the price.

The Palestinians rape their female relatives and murder them in front of raving mobs of Palestinians when they get pregnant:

"In some areas, a Palestinian woman is required to have a male relative accompany her whenever she leaves the home. Unfortunately, her male “guardian”–father, brother, uncle, or cousin–may be a sexual predator who rapes her. Should she become pregnant, he will publicly condemn her for dishonoring the family after killing both her and their unborn child. Last year, seventeen-year-old Afaf Younes was killed by her father, who had allegedly been sexually molesting her. Afaf had tried to escape his sexual abuse by running away, but she was caught and returned to her father. He then shot her in the name of honor.
A sixteen-year-old Palestinian girl became pregnant after being raped by her younger brother. Once her condition became known, her family encouraged her older brother to kill her to remove the blemish from their honor. Her brothers, the rapist and the murderer, were exonerated. The girl was blamed. “She made a mistake,” said one of her male cousins. 'She had to pay for it'.”
https://www.worldandi.com/reputation-is-everything-honor-killing-among-the-palestinians/#:~:text=The girl was blamed.,changed to protect their identities.

Palestinians kill homosexuals:





And Palestinians think this way about Israel:

 

[JohnEngelman]

 

[Lance_Castro]

Theocracies like Afghanistan and Israel are bad news.

 

[ll74]

Theocracies like Afghanistan and Israel are bad news.

Israel isn't a theocracy.

 

[JohnEngelman]

 

[JohnEngelman]

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"Free Palestine" means "Destroy Israel."

 

[JohnEngelman]

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The Jews have the right to live wherever they want to live. I am glad that many Jews chose to live in the United States. We need their superior intelligence.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Jews were and still are persecuted in the USA… for decades there were quotas, restrictions and bans in professions, clubs and associations.

You’re not very good at this.

Jew are very good at overcoming persecution and discrimination. That is why they are so successful and prosperous.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Murderers and baby killers.

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Israelis do their own fighting.

 

[RobDownSouth]

"Free Palestine" means "Destroy Israe!

It's always good to see LeTrouve (now d/b/a "End Times Christian" John Engleman) doing his trademark Gish Gallop with same 20 or so Blood Libel memes, tropes and bumper sticker vitriol when he is cornered.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Richard Lynn, The Chosen People: A Study of Jewish Intelligence and Achievement, Washington Summit Publishers, 2011, 408 pp., book review by Byran M. Roth

The Chosen People: A study of Jewish Intelligence and Achievement is the most recent work of Richard Lynn dealing with group differences in IQ and their ramifications. As in all of his previous work over the past decade, he substantiates his arguments with huge quantities of empirical data. He advances his positions dispassionately and lets the facts speak for themselves, which they do in impressive, nearly irrefutable fashion. In his previous books he examined racial and ethnic differences in IQ for many groups. The Chosen People is a case study of one distinct group that has shown remarkably similar patterns of achievement in a wide variety of settings.

Professor Lynn begins by pointing out the extraordinary success of Jews in almost every field. In the 19th century the restrictions that had prevented most Jews from advanced nonreligious study began to be lifted in most of Western Europe, and by mid-century, “people began to observe that Jews were outstandingly successful, and began to speculate that this was attributable to their intellect.” (Unless otherwise noted, all quotations are from Professor Lynn.)

At that time the great bulk of Jews were still living in Eastern Europe, but owing to pogroms beginning around 1880, Jews began migrating to Western Europe and especially to the United States. They formed part of the massive immigration to the US in the period from 1880 to 1924.

Prof. Lynn writes:

They arrived as penniless refugees unable to speak the languages of their new countries; they were the “huddled masses” from the most backward region of Europe. Yet by the middle decades of the 20th century, the children and grandchildren of these immigrants were doing far better than their Gentile hosts on all indices of socioeconomic status and earnings and outperforming them by several orders of magnitude in obtaining elite academic distinction . . . .

The development of IQ tests confirmed the impression that Jews were unusually intelligent, and Professor Lynn’s extensive review of the literature indicates that Jews in the US have an average IQ of 110 compared to 100 for other Europeans. This would help account for their outstanding performance in a variety of fields. Though Jews are only about 0.2 percent of the world population, half the world’s chess grandmasters, for example, and 16 percent of Nobel Prize winners for science have been Jews. For Professor Lynn, the purpose of his book “is to document and explain such achievements.”

 

[RobDownSouth]

Israelis do their own fighting.

They excel at fighting those incapable of fighting back: the elderly, the very young and the infirm.

Against armed people? Not so much.

You might recall Bibi removed virtually ALL Israeli Genocide Troops from the Gaza/Israel border and replaced them with automated high speed machine gun turrets manned from bunkers 35km away. 11 of 12 of these towers failed miserably when Hamas decided they'd had enough of being malnourished and starved in October 2023. Not Bibi's best decision, but of course it wasn't his fault.

(The Civilian Project Hannibal Order of October 7th WAS Bibi's fault, though).

Genocidal Israel has largely been content to drop lethal American bombs on "high priority" Gazan targets: Hospitals, schools, day care centers, mosques and lately food distribution centers.

Killing comes easy when you have zero collective national shame.

• Free Palestine.
• Boycott.
• Divest.
• Sanction.
• White Phosphorus.

 

[JohnEngelman]

It's always good to see LeTrouve (now d/b/a "End Times Christian" John Engleman) doing his trademark Gish Gallop with same 20 or so Blood Libel memes, tropes and bumper sticker vitriol when he is cornered.

Gish gallop​

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Gish gallop is a rhetorical technique in which a person in a debate attempts to overwhelm an opponent by presenting an excessive number of arguments, without regard for their accuracy or strength, with a rapidity that makes it impossible for the opponent to address them in the time available. Gish galloping prioritizes the quantity of the galloper's arguments at the expense of their quality.
The term "Gish gallop" was coined in 1994 by the anthropologist Eugenie Scott who named it after the American creationist Duane Gish, dubbed the technique's "most avid practitioner".[1]

Strategy​

During a typical Gish gallop, the galloper confronts an opponent with a rapid series of specious arguments, half-truths, misrepresentations and outright lies,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop

When have I ever lied about anything? Post it Let's discuss it.