Hey "Progressives!"

[icanhelp1]

At least they have the BALLS to stand up for freedom, liberty, and the Constitution.

The things that our veterans sacrificed and DIED for in past wars.
Your side LOST world war 2, your side LOST the civil war, and your side will LOSE again because despite what you believe, Americans value freedom and liberty over tyranny, oppression and corruption. Your little fetish totalitarian dreams will vanish overnight and you will be wondering what the fuck happened.

AMERICA will happen. Do you really think people are going to take this shit sitting down? Guess what; they are already waking up and fighting back. Your kind lost the second world war, because dictatorships never last.

If we were living under a dictatorship why all the legal filings before the SCOTUS. Dictators have no use courts.

Our side lost WWII???

Those veterans you speak of are all our veterans.

A little self reflection and self awareness could go a long way, maybe help wean you off those funny mushrooms.

If I remember my history correctly it was the democrats that wanted to expand slavery.

 

[Baztrachian]

Nope.

Fascism is not a form of socialism.

It is a form of authoritarianism, autocracies and totalitarianism....which all can start off as capitalism, socialism, democracy or socialism...... fascism is not a subset of any of those

A republic, however, is a subset of democracy.

The guy who invented fascism called it socialism and he based it in part from Karl Marx.

What you leftists want to think in your little fantasy world does fuck all to change the immutable fact that fascism is a form of socialism.

A republic is not always democratic. Especially in anything called a 'People's Republic'.

The USA has a constitutional republic which employs representative democracy. Our elected representatives make decisions based upon a constitutional framework that limits their power and prevents them from overturning inherent individual rights based on popular votes.

This is why Congress can't pass a law outlawing political opposition and throwing you into a camp. You should be grateful that we do not have a democracy because otherwise as of the last election your life would be much more interesting than it is right now.

 

[icanhelp1]

Whether you like it or not it is.

"Giovanni Gentile, a neo-Hegelian philosopher, was the intellectual author of the “doctrine of fascism,” which he wrote in conjunction with Benito Mussolini. Gentile’s sources of inspiration were thinkers such as Hegel, Nietzsche, and also Karl Marx.

Gentile went so far as to declare “Fascism is a form of socialism, in fact, it is its most viable form.” One of the most common reflections on this is that fascism is itself socialism based on national identity.

Gentile believed that all private action should be oriented to serve society. He was against individualism, for him there was no distinction between private and public interest. In his economic postulates, he defended compulsory state corporatism, wanting to impose an autarkic state (basically the same recipe that Hitler would use years later).

A basic aspect of Gentile’s logic is that liberal democracy was harmful because it was focused on the individual which led to selfishness. He defended “true democracy” in which the individual should be subordinated to the State. In that sense, he promoted planned economies in which it was the government that determined what, how much, and how to produce."

True Liberals in the democrat party are a dying breed.

True liberals value individual liberties, social justice and EQUALITY OF OPPORTUNITY and LIMITED GOVERNMENT INTRUSION or INTERVENTION in the economy.

 

[ll74]

The guy who invented fascism called it socialism and he based it in part from Karl Marx.

Fascism is not a form of socialism.

What you leftists want to think in your little fantasy world does fuck all to change the immutable fact that fascism is a form of socialism.

You misunderstand the word immutable.

A republic is not always democratic. Especially in anything called a 'People's Republic'.

Any form of government that involves the people voting for representation is a democracy.

The USA has a constitutional republic which employs representative democracy. Our elected representatives make decisions based upon a constitutional framework that limits their power and prevents them from overturning inherent individual rights based on popular votes.

The key word is representative.
Also, elected.

This is why Congress can't pass a law outlawing political opposition and throwing you into a camp. You should be grateful that we do not have a democracy because otherwise as of the last election your life would be much more interesting than it is right now.

They can pass a law doing so and then the courts will strike it down.
That doesn't make it not a democracy. It does make it not a pure democracy.

 

[Baztrachian]

True Liberals in the democrat party are a dying breed.

True liberals value individual liberties, social justice and EQUALITY OF OPPORTUNITY and LIMITED GOVERNMENT INTRUSION or INTERVENTION in the economy.

The term you're looking for here is "Classical Liberal".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

 

[Baztrachian]

Fascism is not a form of socialism.

Whether you like it or not it is. Simply denying it without substantiating it just makes you come off like a partisan ass.

The problem here is that leftist definitions of fascism dwell on the dictators who tend to use fascism to their benefit. They often manage to wholly dodge the actual assessment of fascist economics and ideologies which are often identical to socialist economics and ideologies.

 

[ll74]

Whether you like it or not it is. Simply denying it without substantiating it just makes you come off like a partisan ass.

It simply is not.
i don't give a fuck how I "come off"

The problem here is that leftist definitions of fascism dwell on the dictators who tend to use fascism to their benefit. They often manage to wholly dodge the actual assessment of fascist economics and ideologies which are often identical to socialist economics and ideologies.

Fascism arrives, typically, from autocratic, Authoritarian and totalitarianistic governments. None of those are isolated to socialism in any objective way.

It has originated, quite often actually, from. Nationalism.

 

[Baztrachian]

Any form of government that involves the people voting for representation is a democracy.

Trump was elected twice.

 

[TomTeacher19]

The problem here is that leftist definitions of fascism dwell on the dictators who tend to use fascism to their benefit. They often manage to wholly dodge the actual assessment of fascist economics and ideologies which are often identical to socialist economics and ideologies.

This is funny, because rightist definitions of socialism dwell on the dictators who inaccurately claimed to be socialists during their reigns.

 

[Baztrachian]

It simply is not.

"Lalalalalalalalala!" is the phrase you were looking for here.

 

[Baztrachian]

This is funny, because rightist definitions of socialism dwell on the dictators who inaccurately claimed to be socialists during their reigns.

Name a dictator who inaccurately claimed to be a socialist.

 

[ll74]

"Lalalalalalalalala!" is the phrase you were looking for here.

If I was wanting a different phrase, I would've used it.

 

[MajorRewrite]

From Duck-Duck-Go AI summary searched on "trump approval rating july 2025"

"As of July 2025, Donald Trump's approval rating is reported to be around 43.5%, with a disapproval rating of approximately 53.8%. This marks a decline in his approval since the beginning of his second term."

You’re a stable genius who doesn’t know how to follow a link.

 

[Baztrachian]

You’re a stable genius who doesn’t know how to follow a link.

You're a Luddite who doesn't appreciate AI.

 

[ll74]

Whether you like it or not it is. Simply denying it without substantiating it just makes you come off like a partisan ass.

Sidenote- your need to tie fascism to the left is the partisan move here. I've never suggested that fascism does not include.the left.

 

[Baztrachian]

Sidenote- your need to tie fascism to the left is the partisan move here. I've never suggested that fascism does not include.the left.

I am not 'tying fascism to the left'. I am saying that fascism as an economic and political system is a form of socialism.

The problem here is that you folks have been conditioned to perceive 'fascism' and the associated term 'Nazi' as epithets and can't get past that emotional perception to dig into the foundational aspects of fascism and how it is absolutely rooted in and is itself a form of socialism.

Furthermore, if you folks were truly horrified at fascism then why wouldn't you want to better understand and identify it so you don't inadvertently use it?

 

[ll74]

I am not 'tying fascism to the left'. I am saying that fascism as an economic and political system is a form of socialism.

Of course you are.
It is not a form of socialism.

The problem here is that you folks have been conditioned to perceive 'fascism' and the associated term 'Nazi' as epithets and can't get past that emotional perception to dig into the foundational aspects of fascism and how it is absolutely rooted in and is itself a form of socialism.

I haven't mentioned Nazism nor have I considered it in the discussion outside of historical reference.

Nazism started off as one thing and ended up being another. Nationalism is the only common thread.

Furthermore, if you folks were truly horrified at fascism then why wouldn't you want to better understand and identify it so you don't inadvertently use it?

I understand it well and don't use it.

 

[Baztrachian]

It is not a form of socialism.

Whether you like it or not it is. And I have illustrated why it is and you have not articulated even one reason why it would not be.

I understand it well and don't use it.

You sure about that?

• Do you support government mandates on automakers that they must produce a certain percentage of electric vehicles?
• Do you support government mandates on implementing solar or wind power?

Both of the above are textbook examples of fascism where government forces private industry to produce what the government mandates as opposed to meeting the demands of the market.

Socialism expropriates the private industry and then produces as they see fit. At least until the money runs out.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

If we were living under a dictatorship why all the legal filings before the SCOTUS. Dictators have no use courts.

Our side lost WWII???

Those veterans you speak of are all our veterans.

A little self reflection and self awareness could go a long way, maybe help wean you off those funny mushrooms.

If I remember my history correctly it was the democrats that wanted to expand slavery.

So you’re saying the Republicans favor a strong central government instead of states deciding laws for themselves??

 

[ll74]

Whether you like it or not it is. And I have illustrated why it is and you have not articulate even one reason why it would not be.

You stated that Mussolini "invented fascism" and so fascism is socialism.

You sure about that?

• Do you support government mandates on automakers that they must produce a certain percentage of electric vehicles?

I support subsidies for EVs.

• Do you support government mandates on implementing solar or wind power?

I support government subsidies for non carbon energy creation.

Both of the above are textbook examples of fascism where government forces private industry to produce what the government mandates as opposed to meeting the demands of the market.

Neat. So obviously all fascism is socialism

You're nailing it

Socialism expropriates the private industry and then produces as they see fit. At least until the money runs out.

Socialism is government ownership of the means of production. Fascism can be used to accomplish that. It can also be used to be an autocratic government. It can also be used to be a dictatorship.

And both of those can be socialist governments but neither are required to be.

 

[DeluxAuto]

I wonder, have you recovered from the apocalyptically low Democrat approval rates we're seeing these days?

The low approval rating is because Dems are tired of our politicians allowing your false idol to destroy the country.




Your sides' approval rating is strictly based on this dumbfuckery. You ruined your party by becoming a cult.

 

[Baztrachian]

So obviously all fascism is socialism

Exactly.

 

[Baztrachian]

The low approval rating is because Dems are tired of our politicians allowing your false idol to destroy the country.

Trump was elected despite your politicians best efforts to prevent his candidacy and his presidency.

 

[ll74]

Exactly.

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Did you draw that yourself? Neat!

That obviously proves everything.....such awesome

 

[ll74]

Exactly.

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As an appreciator of AI, why don't you ask AI "is fascism a form of socialism?"

And see what it has to say.

I'm sure it will be a hoot.