What if you were then who you are now? Story reaction difference.

lovecraft68

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Back in 2010-2011 I wrote my magnum opus. A long brother sister story that spanned twenty years of their twisted and often tragic relationship. The story was like nothing anyone had seen, and that is not a brag, its a fact, and part of the reason for how it 'landed'. While many sibling stories were "Sis has tits, I want them" this was a dark nasty deep dive into abuse, mental illness, addiction, despair and violence with some occult thrown in and if I needed to find one more turn off the siblings engaging in BDSM sex as well as what at times was sexual violence and with some triumphs and tender moments in between. To this day, one of my all-time favorite comments-I still have it taped to my laptop- is "Well written, but so stark in its realism I won't be continuing."

It's what I aimed for, and hit the target on.

Problem was the story certainly wasn't for everyone for sure and while one handed reads were getting hundreds of votes and dozens of comments these chapters were getting maybe 60 or so votes upon release and a small handful of comments. For all those here who know how big of a draw I/T is, let that sink in. 50 votes on a sibling story. Now, the small readership was very loyal, the comments encouraging(mostly) and the scores good because it was quickly down to a core readership.

But looking back on it, there was another factor that I feel contributed as much as the darker material; I was brand new. No following, no brand, no past achievements of library of other stories. I showed up the taboo scene and just shit all over expectations and had one memorable feedback stating "Who the fuck are you and what the fuck are you on about with this horror show?"

Lately I've been thinking what if I came out with that story now? 15 years in, 150+ stories, large following and a 'brand name". What would the reaction be? Same story, same not the usual I/T content, but would it be read by many more people? Would they be more willing to invest because they know me? More forgiving of the content because I have a history of stories they have enjoyed. Would the numbers be more on par with the usual taboo story?

There's no way to find out, although in 2014 I did do a father/daughter one off trainwreck I thought would be killed and did surprisingly well and by then I'd had a bunch of stories and a good sized following.

Then again, I get comments on a lot of old stories and see many bookmarked, but few on this series, so....maybe not.

I see this in terms of this analogy. Take a famous actor or director who's movies are usually hits. Then you discover something they did years ago that either tanked or no one even heard of, and you watch it, but even though its old, the actor/actress of now is what is in your mind and you see it in a more elevated way. Its appreciated now more than when it came out.

Do you have stories like this that may have had a meh response early in your journey here but you wonder what would happen now that you're established? Of course some folks hit hot right out of the gate, but some of us not so much.
 
Not stories I would have anything to do with.



I was nobody then. I'm still nobody and don't ever expect to be any different, so old stories, new stories, no change expected.
 
I have a couple of transgressive titles here, one particularly darker of which the reaction is overwhelmingly negative. I'm not established here and I likely never will be, but if I somehow ever do become accepted here I am certain that that story will never ever ever get positive reviews.
 
I'm not sure how much difference it would make. I suspect the vast majority of readers, even of works by popular authors, know nothing about the authors and don't care.
 
I'm not sure how much difference it would make. I suspect the vast majority of readers, even of works by popular authors, know nothing about the authors and don't care.
I partially agree in the sense some just click a story based on title, or the category they're in the mood for and pay no mind to the author.

But when you're talking about authors who are on a few thousand fav pages and been around a decade or more-you qualify on both ends-I find it hard to believe regular readers here don't know the name or read anything of an author prior.
 
It's been far too short a time for me. I've only been at this for three years. Though my writing has improved, my style hasn't changed and it's not likely to.
 
Lately I've been thinking what if I came out with that story now? 15 years in, 150+ stories, large following and a 'brand name". What would the reaction be?
I'm obviously nowhere near your brand, nor will I ever be.

However, what you are talking about makes perfect sense. I started writing here because I wanted to write a tribute to the lesbian romance writers of literotica. But I very quickly realised that there was no way I could make it my first story here, or even my fifth. At best it would have been ignored. I would need to establish a reputation, build an audience, prep them a little, demonstrate that I love the same tropes and plots they do, and that it's this love I'm coming from.

It's not that I haven't wanted to write the stories I've published so far (I love them all) but in a sense they are all just practise pieces for what will be my final story and my sign off from lit. It may still bomb - it's going to break a couple of cardinal rules of the category and be incredibly self-indulgent. But, with any luck, it'll at least get a viewing.
 
If I were to publish some of my early work now, then readers probably wouldn't cut me as much slack as they did. It wouldn't make a difference to readers who don't recognize me, but the ones that do would probably be disappointed.

I can see the max exodus of followers now.
 
I'm obviously nowhere near your brand, nor will I ever be.

However, what you are talking about makes perfect sense. I started writing here because I wanted to write a tribute to the lesbian romance writers of literotica. But I very quickly realised that there was no way I could make it my first story here, or even my fifth. At best it would have been ignored. I would need to establish a reputation, build an audience, prep them a little, demonstrate that I love the same tropes and plots they do, and that it's this love I'm coming from.

It's not that I haven't wanted to write the stories I've published so far (I love them all) but in a sense they are all just practise pieces for what will be my final story and my sign off from lit. It may still bomb - it's going to break a couple of cardinal rules of the category and be incredibly self-indulgent. But, with any luck, it'll at least get a viewing.
See, you have a plan, build it up, then knock them down with your best true shot.

I came here knowing nothing and after a couple of BDSM pieces let it rip with Siblings with Benefits. I felt like I threw down a gauntlet that no one wanted to pick up. :rolleyes:

On another note if I did it now I wouldn't use first person and the grammar would be better, but it still has the raw charm of someone who had no idea what he was doing but gave zero fucks and did it anyway
 
I'd be doing much worse, because my production in the early days was regular. The feast and ( mostly ) famine cycle I'm in now is not good for the long stuff that dominated my early Dark catalog. Delays kill long stories and connected stories.

My early RR stuff would have done better if I'd placed most of the Group Sex and EC stories in Mature. I have Laurel to thank for opening my eyes to how much readership I was leaving on the table.
 
My early RR stuff would have done better if I'd placed most of the Group Sex and EC stories in Mature. I have Laurel to thank for opening my eyes to how much readership I was leaving on the table.
And in turn I have you to thank for telling me to go with Mature over Romance for Home is Where the Heart is a long time ago.

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And in turn I have you to thank for telling me to go with Mature over Romance for Home is Where the Heart is a long time ago.

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That one's done okay for you. LOL

While they're screwing with category names, they really should be renaming that one to "Age Gap/Mature" so more people realize what the primary draw of the category is. I know that's the description of the category, but I sure as hell didn't think about it way back in the day. The title of the category had me thinking nursing home romance, and I didn't delve any deeper until Laurel changed a category on me and forced me to see the light.

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The last age-gap story I put in EC ( Milf Allie ) vs. the first one Laurel changed on me. ( Recycled ) Slight difference in readership activity. LOL
 
That one's done okay for you. LOL

While they're screwing with category names, they really should be renaming that one to "Age Gap/Mature" so more people realize what the primary draw of the category is. I know that's the description of the category, but I sure as hell didn't think about it way back in the day. The title of the category had me thinking nursing home romance, and I didn't delve any deeper until Laurel changed a category on me and forced me to see the light.

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The last age-gap story I put in EC ( Milf Allie ) vs. the first one Laurel changed on me. ( Recycled ) Slight difference in readership activity. LOL
Just a slight difference in those stories.

I'll sound like an old fart or purist, but I'm not fond of changing category names.

I'd rather see something like finally a bi-sexual category, the removing of endless chapter series from top lists and other promises made for a long time now.

I'm waiting to see if they alter the LW description to appease the mentally deficient incels.
 
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