For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[ChloeTzang]

Trump is going to supply arms to Ukraine … but only because other nations in NATO will be paying for them?

Transactional administration.

That was on the cards before he was elected. I'm pissed that it's taken him so long to get to what was inevitable. Mind yuo, I'm relieved that he finally got here. As longe as Ukraine gets the weapons, it doesn't matter how.

That said, I'm still not votimg for GOP in 2026, or Vance in 2028. Fuck them. FAFO.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Ukrainian forces have destroyed multiple Russian drone production facilities in recent weeks, including major sites in Cheboksary, Yelabuga, and Sergiev Posad. On June 9 and July 5, Ukraine struck the Progress plant twice, damaging antenna array lines used in Iskander missiles and Shahed drones. On June 15, another strike hit the massive UAV factory in Yelabuga.

These deep-range attacks targeted sites up to 800 miles from the front lines, crippling Russia’s ability to mass-produce drones. The July 5 strike was followed by successful hits on key components manufacturers in Izhevsk, Zubovo, and Michurinsk. Ukraine’s campaign is slowing Russian drone output at a time when monthly strike volumes have surged past 5,400.

 

[ChloeTzang]

It's All Over Now, Baby Blue - Russia's Navy is done....

Russia's Navy is a shell of what's it's claimed to be. A paper tiger of decrepit ships and ramshackle tactics....and now they're scrapping their one and only aircraft carrier.

Russia appears set to scrap its only aircraft carrier, the Admiral Kuznetsov, as reported by The Economic Times on July 12. Once capable of deploying 16 Yak-41Ms and 12 Su-27Ks, the 58,600-ton ship is now a symbol of failure after years of mechanical breakdowns, fires, and repair delays. A $98.47 billion naval upgrade plan announced in April is unlikely to reverse Russia’s naval decline amid mounting setbacks.

Russia’s ability to repair and sustain its navy is crumbling. Ukraine’s attacks have disabled key Crimean dry docks, leading to total abandonment of repair efforts in the region. With over 26 vessels damaged or destroyed and Turkey blocking naval reinforcements into the Black Sea, Russia’s naval forces are shrinking fast. Western sanctions, inflation, and a failing economy make recovery increasingly unlikely.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Forging the Brave: How Ukraine’s UASOF Train the Next Generation​

Ukraine society is militarizing at all levels......

Forging the Brave — an initiative by the 3rd Special Forces Regiment Prince Sviatoslav the Brave aimed at preparing the next generation for challenges through knowledge, discipline, and resilience.

Soldiers of the 3rd Separate Regiment of the Ukrainian Special Operations Forces (SOF) joined the event to share essential military skills with teenagers:
Tactical medicine
Explosive ordnance awareness
Weapons familiarization
Military topography
...and much more.

Instructors of the 3rd Regiment and the Head of the Foundation spoke about the goals of the training and its impact on the youth.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force

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[ChloeTzang]

UKRAINE'S NEW WEAPON FROM NATO: PATRIOT, JASSM MISSILES​

Anna's update is great as always

 

[HisArpy]

That was on the cards before he was elected. I'm pissed that it's taken him so long to get to what was inevitable. Mind yuo, I'm relieved that he finally got here. As longe as Ukraine gets the weapons, it doesn't matter how.

That said, I'm still not votimg for GOP in 2026, or Vance in 2028. Fuck them. FAFO.

Cut off your nose to spite your face kind of thinking.

You were/are wrong. Perpetuating it isn't going to change that.

 

[ChloeTzang]

For those who think Zelensky is a dictator LOL

The Verkhovna Rada, Ukraine's parliament, has passed legislation approving the president's decree to extend martial law and general mobilization in the country for another 90 days, until November 5.
Yaroslav Zhelezniak, an MP from the Holos (Voice) faction, announced this on Telegram, according to Ukrinform. He specified that 320 MPs supported Bill No. 13471 "On Approval of the Presidential Decree on Extending Martial Law in Ukraine," while 304 lawmakers backed Bill No. 13472 "On Approval of the Presidential Decree on Extending General Mobilization."

Accordingly, martial law and general mobilization in Ukraine have been extended until November 5, 2025. Russia launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine on February 24, 2022. On the same day, martial law was imposed and general mobilization was declared, initially set to last until March 26. Since then, the Ukrainian parliament has periodically extended both measures. The previous extension was in effect until August 7, 2025.

The Ukrainian Parliament has to approve these measures - without their approval, they aren't legal. Martial Law has now been extended to November 2025. By the Ukrainian Parliament.

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-po...aw-mobilization-for-another-three-months.html

 

[ChloeTzang]

Cut off your nose to spite your face kind of thinking.

You were/are wrong. Perpetuating it isn't going to change that.

To a certain extent it is, but Trump's backstabbing of Ukraine was totally beyond the pale as far as I'm concerned, and Vance was egging him on. He may have decided to sell Ukraine weapons via NATO but I don't trust him in the slightest to continue supporting Ukraine in any way. It'd take 1000 Bradley's, a flock of Tomahwks and another 100 F16's and a good few Blackhawks to change my mind

 

[HisArpy]

To a certain extent it is, but Trump's backstabbing of Ukraine was totally beyond the pale as far as I'm concerned, and Vance was egging him on. He may have decided to sell Ukraine weapons via NATO but I don't trust him in the slightest to continue supporting Ukraine in any way. It'd take 1000 Bradley's, a flock of Tomahwks and another 100 F16's and a good few Blackhawks to change my mind

The only one who can change your mind; is you. Stubborn refusal to do so, in spite of the clear evidence, is on you instead of Trump or me or anyone else.

There are times when being stubborn is a godsend. This is not one of them.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Latvia demonstrates to TACO how easy it is to assist Ukraine. All it takes is a little willpower and a decision not to side with Evil. Something that seems beyond the Transactional President

The first Patria 6x6 armored personnel carriers promised by Latvia have arrived in Ukraine, Latvian Prime Minister Evika Siliņa announced during her visit to Kyiv on July 15 following a meeting with Ukrainian Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal. Shmyhal confirmed that both sides also agreed to strengthen cooperation between Ukrainian and Latvian manufacturers, particularly in defense production, innovation, and joint development of military equipment and drones.

On July 1, Latvia’s government approved the transfer of 42 Patria 6x6 vehicles to Ukraine, along with spare parts, weapons, and ammunition, according to Latvian Defense Minister Andris Spruds. Spruds emphasized that Latvia will train Ukrainian personnel, equip the vehicles, and ensure their timely delivery. He added that Latvia’s military support for Ukraine will continue and is expected to reach 0.25% of the country’s GDP in both 2025 and 2026. The Patria 6x6 is an armored personnel carrier originally developed by Finnish company Patria to enhance troop mobility and protection. It can transport up to 10 soldiers, is powered by a 400-horsepower Scania diesel engine, can reach speeds over 100 km/h (62 mph), and has a range of up to 700 km (435 miles).

Unlike the USA, which has literally 1,000's of stockpiled Bradleys, of which a substantial numbercould be xferred to Ukraine without any impact to the USA's defenses, Latvia built these Patria's in their own plant and transferred them immediately to Ukraine, despite the risk that Putin may well turn on the Baltic States next. Latvia, a tony country, donated these to Ukraine, asking for no payment in return.

https://english.nv.ua/russian-war/l...fense-cooperation-50530002.html#goog_rewarded

 

[MajorRewrite]

The only one who can change your mind; is you. Stubborn refusal to do so, in spite of the clear evidence, is on you instead of Trump or me or anyone else.

There are times when being stubborn is a godsend. This is not one of them.

What are you pretending she’s wrong about?

 

[ll74]

Lol....fucking clown show

Donald Trump asked Volodymyr Zelenskyy if Ukraine could hit Moscow, say people briefed on call

 

[Lazaran]

That was on the cards before he was elected. I'm pissed that it's taken him so long to get to what was inevitable. Mind yuo, I'm relieved that he finally got here. As longe as Ukraine gets the weapons, it doesn't matter how.

That said, I'm still not votimg for GOP in 2026, or Vance in 2028. Fuck them. FAFO.

Um, MR was pointing out how DonOld (the corrupt, traitorous POS representing the U.S.) won’t FUND the Ukrainian war effort.

The U.S. (especially after signing that coerced rare earth minerals deal), of all countries, should be FUNDING the Ukrainian war effort; full stop.

DonOld (a corrupt traitor) PROFITEERING off the Ukrainian war effort is corrupt & cringe AF, and is a FURTHER embarrassment to / humiliation of the United States.



Hope that ^ helps.





We. Told. Them. So.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Lol....fucking clown show

Donald Trump asked Volodymyr Zelenskyy if Ukraine could hit Moscow, say people briefed on call

And then this

He's still playing his stupid games.......

 

[Lazaran]

And then this

He's still playing his stupid games.......

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DonOld is a cowardly, traitorous POS.



Again: The United States should be FUNDING the Ukrainian war effort, not PROFITEERING from it.



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[MajorRewrite]

'Not our war' - Trump's Nato weapons deal for Ukraine sparks MAGA anger

Putin supporters MTG and Steve Bannon are very upset that Trump agreed to sell arms to NATO nations that they will supply to Ukraine.

Republican Congresswomen Marjorie Taylor Greene, a key Trump ally, and former Trump strategist Steve Bannon are among those who have criticised the decision, with Bannon telling his podcast listeners that Ukraine is a "European war".

 

[ChloeTzang]

 

[ChloeTzang]

All over Russia.....logistical bottlenecks

 

[ChloeTzang]

There's a section in here on the family from Texas who moved to Russia (due to its traditional values), and Mr. Texan volunteered to join the Russian Army and now finds himself on the way to the front....insted of in the nice safe rear position the Russians promised him. It's funny and sad at the same time. These people are incredibly stupid.

 

[Lazaran]

There's a section in here on the family from Texas who moved to Russia (due to its traditional values), and Mr. Texan volunteered to join the Russian Army and now finds himself on the way to the front....insted of in the nice safe rear position the Russians promised him. It's funny and sad at the same time. These people are incredibly stupid.

Karmic justice would be that traitorous POS who moved to Russia and volunteered for Russian military service getting wounded by a Ukrainian drone and left to die by his "comrades", because saving him would be a costly inconvenience.

 

[JohnEngelman]

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Putin thought the conquest of Ukraine would be easy. When it turned out not to be easy, he did not know how to pull back from it,

Because I lived through the War in Vietnam, I am mildly sympathetic toward Putin. Russia has been invaded through Ukraine in the Past. The idea that a small country on the other side of the world was essential to America's security seems preposterous in retrospect.

 

[ishtat]

This may seem like a cynical view but I am coming round to the possibility that peace is not necessarily the best solution, nor is it in the best interests of the major parties. A long drawn out 'forever' war has much to be said for it. An indecisive deadlock will wear both Russia and Ukraine out. Ukraine will suffer the most because its industry is stuffed but it is still capable of feeding itself. Russia almost needs the war because sanctions have paralyzed its economy to the extent that arms production and corruption are the only viable economic sectors. China and India are extracting huge benefits through very cheap oil/gas/resources from Russia whilst being careful to avoid becoming arms suppliers. For a fairly modest investment in Arms the Europeans are content to see Russia impoverished and kept in check. Turkey has re-asserted itself as controllers of the Black Sea something they never attempted when the USSR was in power.

The USA's position is all over the place. If someone could convince DJT that he doesn't have a snowballs chance in Hell of the Nobel Peace Prize ,that might give DJT the incentive to actually help Ukraine rather than just make empty promises. The US could do this reasonably cheaply, firstly through the supply of intelligence to Ukraine and secondly by stopping the obstruction to other countries willing to supply arms. In the long run Ukraine will never be a great power but it is in the USA's fundamental interests to ensure Russia never recovers. In similar vein it would make sense for the USA to stir up trouble between China and Russia - particularly in the Amur Basin where they have a long standing unresolved territorial dispute.

What Iran or Korea might do is of no consequence, just good news stories on a slow day.

50,000 dead Ukrainians each year and 200,000 dead Russians is sad for them but not an unreasonable price for the rest of the world. And as one Russian Police chief allegedly commented 'it has at least cut the prison population.'

 

[ChloeTzang]

This may seem like a cynical view but I am coming round to the possibility that peace is not necessarily the best solution, nor is it in the best interests of the major parties. A long drawn out 'forever' war has much to be said for it. An indecisive deadlock will wear both Russia and Ukraine out. Ukraine will suffer the most because its industry is stuffed but it is still capable of feeding itself. Russia almost needs the war because sanctions have paralyzed its economy to the extent that arms production and corruption are the only viable economic sectors. China and India are extracting huge benefits through very cheap oil/gas/resources from Russia whilst being careful to avoid becoming arms suppliers. For a fairly modest investment in Arms the Europeans are content to see Russia impoverished and kept in check. Turkey has re-asserted itself as controllers of the Black Sea something they never attempted when the USSR was in power.

I believe that was the intention under Biden. Feed missiles, mines and weapons to a Ukrainian resistance which would fight an ongoing guerilla war against the Russians and drain them. Not a particularly sucessful strategy as the Russian reaction traditional has just been complete depopulation, something they have done many times, and the Russians tend to not to take too much notice of thoughts and prayers. As it was, the intensity and effectiveness of the Ukrainian resistance took Biden and the Europeans by surprise. And here we are......

I think at this point the only really viable solution to the Russian problem is the dissolution of the Russian Federation and that is going to be messy. Still, Russia has been a threat to all their neighbors for the last 100 years. It's about time that one's put to rest.

The USA's position is all over the place. If someone could convince DJT that he doesn't have a snowballs chance in Hell of the Nobel Peace Prize ,that might give DJT the incentive to actually help Ukraine rather than just make empty promises. The US could do this reasonably cheaply, firstly through the supply of intelligence to Ukraine and secondly by stopping the obstruction to other countries willing to supply arms.

Yup. and ny tossing in the old stuff that we will otherwise need to pay to have recycled and disposed off. Bradley's and F16's and Blackhawks and Warthogs and old ammo somehow spring to mind.

In the long run Ukraine will never be a great power but it is in the USA's fundamental interests to ensure Russia never recovers.

They make a good barrier against Russia - the Shield of NATO so to speak, and when Russia collapses, as it will now, they are right here with one of the largest army's in Europe and a vested interest in demilitarizing Russia.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Just so noone is surprised. It was never about Russian minorities or NATO expansion. It was always about restoring the old Tzarist / Soviet Empire.......

https://twitter.com/x/status/1945561091041628440