Would this story be allowed?

[tony_gunk]

The story I'm writing would be a non-consent story. The content guidelines say that non-consent stories where the person receives no enjoyment from it aren't allowed. In my story, the character would end up orgasming, but against her own will. Her body would betray her. Would that be ok? Because she did enjoy it, even if she didn't want to.

 

[TarnishedPenny]

Technically, but it's right on the edge. IMO. The decision, as always, would be entirely Laurel's/

 

[PapaRomantic]

Submit it and then let us know. I'm curious to see if it would be accepted or not.

 

[FrancesScott]

The story I'm writing would be a non-consent story. The content guidelines say that non-consent stories where the person receives no enjoyment from it aren't allowed. In my story, the character would end up orgasming, but against her own will. Her body would betray her. Would that be ok? Because she did enjoy it, even if she didn't want to.

Can you help me, please? Why do you want to write a story like that? What is appealing to you about it? I’m not looking to bust your balls, just to understand the attraction of writing non-consensual sex. I have to admit that I just don’t get it.

 

[AG31]

Can you help me, please? Why do you want to write a story like that? What is appealing to you about it? I’m not looking to bust your balls, just to understand the attraction of writing non-consensual sex. I have to admit that I just don’t get it.

Sounds pretty appealing to me. There's often a big gap between fantasy and real life.

 

[FrancesScott]

Sounds pretty appealing to me. There's often a big gap between fantasy and real life.

That doesn’t answer the question as to why? I’m really interested in the psychology of why.

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

Abuse doesn't appeal to me at all.

 

[AG31]

That doesn’t answer the question as to why? I’m really interested in the psychology of why.

Yes, I'd like to know why also. Maybe we'll get some answers in this thread. I'll go review my old posts to see how close I've come to discussing this.

 

[AG31]

That doesn’t answer the question as to why? I’m really interested in the psychology of why.

This thread skirts around the edges of your question.
https://forum.literotica.com/threads/a-question-about-surrender.1618588/

 

[filthytrancendence]

Yes, I'd like to know why also. Maybe we'll get some answers in this thread. I'll go review my old posts to see how close I've come to discussing this.

I mean, you just said it appeals to you. Could you perhaps elaborate on why?

 

[AG31]

I mean, you just said it appeals to you. Could you perhaps elaborate on why?

Oh, gee. I've spent a lot of energy here in AH pursuing this question. Trying to analyse the kind of erotica that appeals to me. I'd like to be able to describe it accurately, but I'm not all that interested in its origins. That, in itself, is interesting, I guess. Check out the link I included above.

 

[NuclearFairy]

It might be the loss of control. Or could be that while some people want to submit, others want to be dominated.

Most women with rape fantasy's would not be able to enjoy them anymore if they were to ever actually be raped.

And most of those that would be able to still, would not be able to get off anymore unless it mirrored their abuse, because much like any sort of trauma, from grief to torture people's reactions run a very big gamut.

Me personally, I really like to be dominated, but it's really hard to even write porn like that that doesn't come off at least looking like it belongs in the reluctance category much less find it. And no it's not the same as being a brat, although brat stories do come close but they're often a bit too heavy on the punishment for me sometimes. So I read noncon and pretend that it's something else. But it can be easy for the noncon to turn me off sometimes too. It's a bit of a fine line.

 

[FrancesScott]

Most women with rape fantasy's would not be able to enjoy them anymore if they were to ever actually be raped.

It’s men with rape fantasies that I’m interested in understanding. I think I understand the female perspective.

 

[FrancesScott]

It might be the loss of control. Or could be that while some people want to submit, others want to be dominated.

D/s isn’t the same as non-con though is it? I know you elaborate on this later.

I think women who enjoy non-con tend to fall into those for whom there is some therapeutic benefit, catharsis maybe; and those who have no idea (lucky them) what being raped is actually like and conflate it with ‘being taken roughly’ by a handsome and devilish stranger - sort of a heavier version of bodice ripping.

What I’d like to understand is what men who like non-con get out of it. I’m not kink-shaming. It would help me to understand why this is so popular with so many men.

 

[AG31]

It’s men with rape fantasies that I’m interested in understanding. I think I understand the female perspective.

I'm female.

 

[NuclearFairy]

D/s isn’t the same as non-con though is it? I know you elaborate on this later.

I think women who enjoy non-con tend to fall into those for whom there is some therapeutic benefit, catharsis maybe; and those who have no idea (lucky them) what being raped is actually like and conflate it with ‘being taken roughly’ by a handsome and devilish stranger - sort of a heavier version of bodice ripping.

What I’d like to understand is what men who like non-con get out of it. I’m not kink-shaming. It would help me to understand why this is so popular with so many men.

It sorta is though.

Take the fantasy out and boil rape down to it's base motivation. Everyone say's it's dominance, and that's the most common type true, but there's also miscommunication, which is the most tragic type, and a false sense of entitlement, which I guess could link back to dominance.

Now put the fantasy back in and you loose the least likely of miscommunication and are left with dominance and entitlement, rape fantasy's are about the man dominating, or getting what he is owed from the man's viewpoint.

And then you have CNC - Consensual Non Consent. Which is very much a D/s thing. My SO before we had kids enjoyed setting up a few of these scenarios with me, and while he enjoys reading CNC stories, he doesn't like actual noncon stories, and the reluctance stories he enjoys are ones were the girl is reluctant because she doesn't think she should even though she really wants to.

He's got a bit of a corruption fetish, when we first got together he got aroused every time he got me to cuss.

But anyways, CNC and noncon stories are not the same as each other, but as far as I can tell they both play on similar fetishes. And CNC is a D/s thing.

 

[FrancesScott]

I'm female.

I understand that.

 

[FrancesScott]

Take the fantasy out and boil rape down to it's base motivation. Everyone say's it's dominance, and that's the most common type true, but there's also miscommunication, which is the most tragic type, and a false sense of entitlement, which I guess could link back to dominance.

Not sure I agree. Depends what you mean by dominance. To me rape is one person prioritizing their desire (sexual or power, or both) over the well-being of another person. It’s saying that one person might as well not exist for all the say they have in what happens. That’s not how dominance works in a healthy D/s relationship. YMMV.

D/s is based on trust. Rape is the opposite of that.

And CNC is just role playing, like DD/lg, it’s a total misnomer IMO. It’s consensual role playing, not consensual non-consent, which is an oxymoron.

Also to clarify I think some women have a rough sex kink, a desire to be used sometimes, but that’s not the same as rape either. In rough sex, that’s what the woman wants. In rape it’s not what the woman wants, by definition.

 

[NuclearFairy]

Not sure I agree. Depends what you mean by dominance. To me rape is one person prioritizing their desire (sexual or power, or both) over the well-being of another person. It’s saying that one person might as well not exist for all the say they have in what happens. That’s not how dominance works in a healthy D/s relationship. YMMV.

D/s is based on trust. Rape is the opposite of that.

No, true rape is not D/s, it's just D. Which is why my SO doesn't like rape fantasy's he likes the actual submission too much.

This is speculation, because I'm neither a man nor a dominant but the reason why people who would never commit rape like rape fantasy might very much have to do with D/s, and not all D/s depictions are healthy.

And CNC is just role playing, like DD/lg, it’s a total misnomer IMO. It’s consensual role playing, not consensual non-consent, which is an oxymoron.

Oxymoronic or not, CNC stands for consensual non-consent, and it's role playing a rape usually between a dominant and their submissive. So again the fantasy of rape without actual rape.

So the fantasy of rape, and you were asking what men get from such fantasy's and all I can tell you about the male perspective is my second hand knowledge of my SO. What he gets out of CNC is knowing that I want it and am fighting it, and he's giving it to me anyways. So for him it very much plays into his corruption fetish.

 

[FrancesScott]

and not all D/s depictions are healthy.

Agree totally. They are often written by people with no actual experience of it.

I’ve never done CNC, so not my area of expertise. But CNC is role playing rape, like DD/lg is role playing an incestuous (and maybe pedophile) relationship. The first isn’t rape and the second isn’t incest. And both are consensual, something that is agreed is a turn on for both.

What I’m interested in is why some men like porn featuring actual rape. What is it about actual rape that is arousing? Not role play, actual descriptions of forced sex.

 

[ElectricBlue]

The story I'm writing would be a non-consent story. The content guidelines say that non-consent stories where the person receives no enjoyment from it aren't allowed. In my story, the character would end up orgasming, but against her own will. Her body would betray her. Would that be ok? Because she did enjoy it, even if she didn't want to.

Borderline. Only one way to find out - submit it and let Laurel determine.

Rapist stories tend not to fly, rape stories need a lot more nuance - as this thread demonstrates. They're not something to contemplate writing without a fair bit of thought, including asking yourself, why am I writing this story?

 

[NuclearFairy]

What I’m interested in is why some men like porn featuring actual rape. What is it about actual rape that is arousing? Not role play, actual descriptions of forced sex.

This goes back to my first post in here, lemme try and rephrase it a bit. Some women want to dominate, some women want to submit, some women want to be dominated, and many women just want sex.

Submitting and being dominated are not exactly the same thing, so for men who like reading the typical rape fantasy they might be getting turned on by the woman being dominated. Which again is not the same thing as the woman submitting.

Submitting is giving your power to a dominant, being dominated without submitting is having your power taken from you. Which in the right setting and with the right partner can be very freeing.

Just like most women who have rape fantasy's though, most men who have them would never go through with them, and if circumstances forced them to they very likely would themselves be traumatized by the event.

 

[ericalauren]

The story I'm writing would be a non-consent story. The content guidelines say that non-consent stories where the person receives no enjoyment from it aren't allowed. In my story, the character would end up orgasming, but against her own will. Her body would betray her. Would that be ok? Because she did enjoy it, even if she didn't want to.

Someone having an orgasm while they were SA’d or raped does not mean that they enjoyed the violence.

 

[FrancesScott]

Which in the right setting and with the right partner can be very freeing.

But the right partner implies consent, hence my role-playing comment.

Just like most women who have rape fantasy's though, most men who have them would never go through with them

And yet most women have stories to tell… For some men (I stress some) it escalates.

 

[FrancesScott]

Someone having an orgasm while they were SA’d or raped does not mean that they enjoyed the violence.

Being beaten or terrified into submission is not massively conducive to orgasm. But I understand it can happen. In which case it is not denoting pleasure in the experience for sure. We have autonomic responses.