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[Typo Fu Master]

If you see yourself as someone who values truth, accountability, and country—where is your line?

Nobody seems to be able to agree on what's true.

I take personal accountability for my actions. If I vote for someone, I hope they're going to do what I want them to do. At the end of the day, there is only one person we have complete control over. Ourselves.

I value my country. In a perfect world we'd all be holding hands singing kumbaya. I am seeing 2 different political factions each declaring that the other side is the enemy. I thought we were all Americans.

 

[HisArpy]

Nobody seems to be able to agree on what's true.

I take personal accountability for my actions. If I vote for someone, I hope they're going to do what I want them to do. At the end of the day, there is only one person we have complete control over. Ourselves.

I value my country. In a perfect world we'd all be holding hands singing kumbaya. I am seeing 2 different political factions each declaring that the other side is the enemy. I thought we were all Americans.

Some of them were born here but they hate America.

 

[Saint_Ann]

Eighty-six, her sister. That’s pretty grown-up. A lifetime of watching leaders rise and fall gives me solid ground to speak from.

Trump hasn’t just “existed.” He’s manipulated the system for personal gain, undermined democratic norms, and fanned division for political profit. His legacy includes inciting a violent mob, attempting to overturn an election, and dragging the country into a cult of personality. That’s not harmless. That’s harmful by design.

So let me ask: what would it take for you to say, “This crosses a line”? If no amount of lies, criminal convictions, or attacks on democracy move the needle for you, then maybe it’s not others who are stuck in a rut.

If you see yourself as someone who values truth, accountability, and country—where is your line?

But hey, it’s the 4th of July—so whether you're waving a flag, lighting a sparkler, or defending democracy one comment at a time... let’s all try not to burn the hot dogs or the Constitution.

Happy Independence Day.

So, no one is above the law?

 

[dmallord]

Nobody seems to be able to agree on what's true.

I take personal accountability for my actions. If I vote for someone, I hope they're going to do what I want them to do. At the end of the day, there is only one person we have complete control over. Ourselves.

I value my country. In a perfect world we'd all be holding hands singing kumbaya. I am seeing 2 different political factions, each declaring that the other side is the enemy. I thought we were all Americans.

You are wrong about nobody agreeing on what is true.

That's one of those both-sides-isms. We have reached a point where one side has crushed the truth into an unrecognized form and cast it aside for lies that fit its narrative. The other side is fervently hoping that, in about three and a half years, the nightmare will be corrected.

Apparently, not all Americans are considered American enough. I hear there is a guy who wants to round up Americans who disagree with him, without regard to their citizenship, and ship them off to unknown countries for expressing their views. I want to think that was just some wild, unimaginable Internet AI fake news, but it seems to be true.

Is that the 'enemy' side you are speaking on behalf of?

 

[dmallord]

So, no one is above the law?

The idea that “no one is above the law” means nothing if you can’t name a single line you'd refuse to let your guy cross.

I asked a simple, fundamental question: Where is your red line? Still no answer.

If you can’t even define one—then you’re not taking a position. You’re just surrendering yours to someone else’s power.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Nobody seems to be able to agree on what's true.

I take personal accountability for my actions. If I vote for someone, I hope they're going to do what I want them to do. At the end of the day, there is only one person we have complete control over. Ourselves.

I value my country. In a perfect world we'd all be holding hands singing kumbaya. I am seeing 2 different political factions each declaring that the other side is the enemy. I thought we were all Americans.

 

[icanhelp1]

The idea that “no one is above the law” means nothing if you can’t name a single line you'd refuse to let your guy cross.

I asked a simple, fundamental question: Where is your red line? Still no answer.

If you can’t even define one—then you’re not taking a position. You’re just surrendering yours to someone else’s power.

Not only do you suffer from TDS on steroids but you and your party lack self awareness. All the unethical behavior you accuse the right of doing is exactly what the left actually did. You are a projectionist extraordinaire.

Since the bill passed I took my dog for a walk in the park and to my amazement I didn't encounter one dead body.

 

[MajorRewrite]

All the unethical behavior you accuse the right of doing is exactly what the left actually did.

100% bluster, 0% facts.

 

[Typo Fu Master]

You are wrong about nobody agreeing on what is true.

That's one of those both-sides-isms. We have reached a point where one side has crushed the truth into an unrecognized form and cast it aside for lies that fit its narrative. The other side is fervently hoping that, in about three and a half years, the nightmare will be corrected.

Apparently, not all Americans are considered American enough. I hear there is a guy who wants to round up Americans who disagree with him, without regard to their citizenship, and ship them off to unknown countries for expressing their views. I want to think that was just some wild, unimaginable Internet AI fake news, but it seems to be true.

Is that the 'enemy' side you are speaking on behalf of?

I speak for myself. I have control over nobody but myself. There is only one person that I come close to feeling hate for, and his name is not Trump. If you believe he has done nothing good, you are entitled to your opinion.

I admit I'm a fence-sitter. I see nothing wrong with valuing an individual's opinion. You have demonstrated that our personal experiences are going to significantly affect our perspectives. I believe bad people are still capable of doing good things. And good people can do bad things. Their political stance and what is considered 'good' and 'bad' seems up for debate. I've seen people that politically agree on one thing (abortion) completely disagree on another (Pro-Israel or Pro-Palestine).

@BrightShinyGirl, I am defending my point of view, not Republican behavior. There are Republican views that I disagree with.

 

[icanhelp1]

100% bluster, 0% facts.

Only the democrats would stoop to hiding our president from our own citizens, lie about a president's cognitive decline and then insert a presidential candidate without a single primary vote. Thanks for protecting our democracy, OH wait! that's how the Russians do it.

 

[dmallord]

Not only do you suffer from TDS on steroids but you and your party lack self awareness. All the unethical behavior you accuse the right of doing is exactly what the left actually did. You are a projectionist extraordinaire.

Since the bill passed I took my dog for a walk in the park and to my amazement I didn't encounter one dead body.

I'm glad your dog got some fresh air—he probably needed the break from all the circular logic.

To both of you: deflection isn’t an answer, and sarcasm isn’t a shield. Claiming the left is guilty of everything while sidestepping questions about your own side’s conduct isn’t moral clarity—it’s projection on autopilot.

You call me a “projectionist,” but every time I hold up a mirror, you both look away. If you can’t name a single red line your guy could cross, it’s not me who’s lost perspective.

 

[dmallord]

I speak for myself. I have control over nobody but myself. There is only one person that I come close to feeling hate for, and his name is not Trump. If you believe he has done nothing good, you are entitled to your opinion.

I admit I'm a fence-sitter. I see nothing wrong with valuing an individual's opinion. You have demonstrated that our personal experiences are going to significantly affect our perspectives. I believe bad people are still capable of doing good things. And good people can do bad things. Their political stance and what is considered 'good' and 'bad' seems up for debate. I've seen people that politically agree on one thing (abortion) completely disagree on another (Pro-Israel or Pro-Palestine).

@BrightShinyGirl, I am defending my point of view, not Republican behavior. There are Republican views that I disagree with.

Speaking for oneself is good. Sometimes speaking up can and does have an impact on the control of others as well. Staying silent about dangers to our democracy is deadly. You mention abortion and Israel/Palestine as examples of non-concordance, but you didn't express a personal view on either one. A fence sitter for sure, it seems. @BrightShinyGirl is prodding you to climb down off that fence. I do, too.

Hate of another is definitely a discussion we have had over that powerful word. I can appreciate that civil discussion more than others who are just stumbling into this discussion.

As long as you sit on a fence, your views have no weight on things that matter.

Now, about those Republican behaviors you disagree with, how about a word on them for support of the opinion about bad people capable of doing good things? [I don't mine if you add some Democrat behaviors if it assuages your feelings a bit.]

 

[icanhelp1]

I'm glad your dog got some fresh air—he probably needed the break from all the circular logic.

To both of you: deflection isn’t an answer, and sarcasm isn’t a shield. Claiming the left is guilty of everything while sidestepping questions about your own side’s conduct isn’t moral clarity—it’s projection on autopilot.

You call me a “projectionist,” but every time I hold up a mirror, you both look away. If you can’t name a single red line your guy could cross, it’s not me who’s lost perspective.

False accusations aren’t the answer either.

 

[dmallord]

False accusations aren’t the answer either.

Then you should stop making them.

 

[Typo Fu Master]

Speaking for oneself is good. Sometimes speaking up can and does have an impact on the control of others as well. Staying silent about dangers to our democracy is deadly. You mention abortion and Israel/Palestine as examples of non-concordance, but you didn't express a personal view on either one. A fence sitter for sure, it seems. @BrightShinyGirl is prodding you to climb down off that fence. I do, too.

I am in favor of personal freedom. My body, my choice. I am largely a bystander on the Israel/Pakistan debate but I favor Israel.

As long as you sit on a fence, your views have no weight on things that matter.

Different things matter to different people. A divided view can still offer perspective. "You're either for us or against us!" doesn't cut it with me.

Now, about those Republican behaviors you disagree with, how about a word on them for support of the opinion about bad people capable of doing good things? [I don't mine if you add some Democrat behaviors if it assuages your feelings a bit.]

Religion. I have my own spiritual beliefs. I may be wrong. Until we have definitive proof of a higher power, it's anyone's guess. Books written by people are not proof.

Abortion. As stated above, my body, my choice. Since Mom was here first she has seniority and therefore the final say. I'm not advocating for abortion but see it as a sometimes necessary solution. This is about the right of a person to decide what happens to their body.

Birthright Citizenship. I think everyone already considered a legal US citizen should be grandfathered in and only applies going forward. I am not an expert on the subject.

 

[icanhelp1]

Then you should stop making them.

You shouldn’t be slinging shit into someone else’s backyard when you’re knee deep in it in your own backyard.

 

[dmallord]

You shouldn’t be slinging shit into someone else’s backyard when you’re knee deep in it in your own backyard.

Taking a principled stance isn’t “slinging shit”—it’s called civic discourse. I haven’t forced anyone to agree with me. I offer my views with fairness, grounded in fact and a lifetime of watching leaders come and go.

What you call “my backyard” is a country we both live in. And when a president’s actions trample the rights of millions, I’ll speak on it—regardless of the party. If you're comfortable with the lies, cruelty, and chaos, that’s your burden to carry. But don’t scold me for refusing to sip from the orange Kool-Aid.

Respect flows both ways, Efendi. And it’s earned by standing on principle, not by barking orders from behind a party line.

 

[Saint_Ann]

Taking a principled stance isn’t “slinging shit”—it’s called civic discourse. I haven’t forced anyone to agree with me. I offer my views with fairness, grounded in fact and a lifetime of watching leaders come and go.

What you call “my backyard” is a country we both live in. And when a president’s actions trample the rights of millions, I’ll speak on it—regardless of the party. If you're comfortable with the lies, cruelty, and chaos, that’s your burden to carry. But don’t scold me for refusing to sip from the orange Kool-Aid.

Respect flows both ways, Efendi. And it’s earned by standing on principle, not by barking orders from behind a party line.

Are you referring to the millions of people here illegally? Then good.

 

[Rightguide]

100% bluster, 0% facts.

^^^
Living in a CNN-sponsored dreamscape and still waiting for the 2016 recount.

 

[Rightguide]

Taking a principled stance isn’t “slinging shit”—it’s called civic discourse. I haven’t forced anyone to agree with me. I offer my views with fairness, grounded in fact and a lifetime of watching leaders come and go.

^^^
Living in a fantasy world where the government is always your friend and the media never lies.

 

[dmallord]

I am in favor of personal freedom. My body, my choice.

Same for me.

I am largely a bystander on the Israel/Pakistan debate but I favor Israel.

Same for me.

Different things matter to different people. A divided view can still offer perspective. "You're either for us or against us!" doesn't cut it with me.

Fair enough, fence sitter.

Religion. I have my own spiritual beliefs. I may be wrong. Until we have definitive proof of a higher power, it's anyone's guess. Books written by people are not proof.

Leaving some room for acceptance. Sort of a Doubting Thomas wanting to put your fingers into His hands and His side kind of acceptance is required. Maybe an Agnostic level of belief?

Abortion. As stated above, my body, my choice. Since Mom was here first she has seniority and therefore the final say. I'm not advocating for abortion but see it as a sometimes necessary solution. This is about the right of a person to decide what happens to their body.

More of a Democrat level of thought in the age than Republican.

Birthright Citizenship. I think everyone already considered a legal US citizen should be grandfathered in and only applies going forward. I am not an expert on the subject.

I believe it should be left alone. It hasn't burdened our nation even since its inception into the Constitution. This research may help firm up your view:

Birthright citizenship has been the law of the land since the 14th Amendment and was upheld in the landmark 1898 Supreme Court case United States v. Wong Kim Ark. The Court made it clear: if you're born on U.S. soil, you're a citizen—regardless of your parents' status.

As for the idea that it's a burden or magnet for abuse, even the Cato Institute—a libertarian think tank—disagrees. Their analysis shows “no evidence that birthright citizenship is a significant drain on the economy or a driver of illegal immigration.”

Yes, U.S.-born children of undocumented immigrants access services like any other citizen. But data shows they grow up to be contributors, not liabilities.

Facts don’t care about fear. And changing the Constitution over a talking point would create more problems than it solves. Trump knows that it is more difficult to cast out citizens, so he favors the denial of citizenship for that reason. He isn't seeking the Constitutional establishment of citizenship, but rather the denial of it for no reasonable purpose.

 

[icanhelp1]

^^^
Living in a fantasy world where the government is always your friend and the media never lies.

Pretty much every post Ducky spews has somewhere within it a derogatory remark towards Trump. I don't call that principled or objective, I call it slanderous and biased predicated on lies and omission of critical facts and founded on delusion. I really don't care if Ducky hates Trump, he's made that pretty obvious from the start. Most conservative posters here on Lit don't mention Biden's failed policies every time we post an opinion. They ooze such a hatred for Trump that they would gladly and recklessly endanger our national security for the sake of maintaining power as demonstrated by the lies and cover-ups of Biden's cognitive decline, the alleged criminal use of the auto-pen and inserting a presidential candidate without a single vote. And Ducky thinks we're the bad guys.

 

[Rebel5soul]

I am in favor of personal freedom. My body, my choice. I am largely a bystander on the Israel/Pakistan debate but I favor Israel.

Different things matter to different people. A divided view can still offer perspective. "You're either for us or against us!" doesn't cut it with me.

Religion. I have my own spiritual beliefs. I may be wrong. Until we have definitive proof of a higher power, it's anyone's guess. Books written by people are not proof.

Abortion. As stated above, my body, my choice. Since Mom was here first she has seniority and therefore the final say. I'm not advocating for abortion but see it as a sometimes necessary solution. This is about the right of a person to decide what happens to their body.

Birthright Citizenship. I think everyone already considered a legal US citizen should be grandfathered in and only applies going forward. I am not an expert on the subject.

If the court finds for Trump on this I suspect grandfathering will be the case in keeping with the constitutional mandate re. no ex post facto legislation.

 

[Typo Fu Master]

^^^
Living in a fantasy world where the government is always your friend and the media never lies.

I don't think he thinks that. He just disagrees on what the gov't should be able to do.

Same for me.

Same for me.

Fair enough, fence sitter.

Leaving some room for acceptance. Sort of a Doubting Thomas wanting to put your fingers into His hands and His side kind of acceptance is required. Maybe an Agnostic level of belief?

More of a Democrat level of thought in the age than Republican.

I believe it should be left alone. It hasn't burdened our nation even since its inception into the Constitution. This research may help firm up your view:

Birthright citizenship has been the law of the land since the 14th Amendment and was upheld in the landmark 1898 Supreme Court case United States v. Wong Kim Ark. The Court made it clear: if you're born on U.S. soil, you're a citizen—regardless of your parents' status.

As for the idea that it's a burden or magnet for abuse, even the Cato Institute—a libertarian think tank—disagrees. Their analysis shows “no evidence that birthright citizenship is a significant drain on the economy or a driver of illegal immigration.”

Yes, U.S.-born children of undocumented immigrants access services like any other citizen. But data shows they grow up to be contributors, not liabilities.

Facts don’t care about fear. And changing the Constitution over a talking point would create more problems than it solves. Trump knows that it is more difficult to cast out citizens, so he favors the denial of citizenship for that reason. He isn't seeking the Constitutional establishment of citizenship, but rather the denial of it for no reasonable purpose.

I could be considered agnostic although I strongly favor a higher intelligence. It just better not be all-knowing or it will be the only existing entity that I will actively hate.

Facts. Here we are again. Which facts are true? You have trusted media sources. Some people trust a random opinion on Xitter. If you want to believe it, you'll trust the source more. Personal bias strikes again.

 

[dmallord]

I don't think he thinks that. He just disagrees on what the gov't should be able to do.

I could be considered agnostic although I strongly favor a higher intelligence. It just better not be all-knowing or it will be the only existing entity that I will actively hate.

Facts. Here we are again. Which facts are true? You have trusted media sources. Some people trust a random opinion on Xitter. If you want to believe it, you'll trust the source more. Personal bias strikes again.

Are you speaking to the facts regarding my support of birthright citizenship? Those are hard not to trust. They come from the Constitutional court cases and the findings. As to the CATO source, there were several others. I chose one for brevity. As noted, it was a liberal think tank and not a 'Leftist-leaning' Democrat-sourced one. Google the background for birthright citizenship and see what pops up for you.

Personal bias is always a factor. It is a mark of a reasonable person to recognize bias and allow for further analysis, adjusting beliefs accordingly. It is not like the derogatory comments that show extreme bias and use excoriating words meant to demean others.

@icanhelp1 @Rightguide show no sense of possessing the ability to detect personal bias, adjust accordingly, or make allowances for the opinions of others. They wallow in pettiness and come here to gloat. I notice they have contributed nothing to this thread about our discussion. Have you noticed that as well?