For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[HisArpy]

The West and Ukraine would have done well to study the Battle of Stalingrad. Despite losing over 1.2 million people, the Soviets decisively destroyed the Wehrmacht’s 6th Army, then considered Nazi Germany’s most elite force, along with support from the 4th Panzer Army. By the time American boots hit Omaha Beach, the Red Army had already inflicted nearly 80% of Germany’s total World War II casualties. This wasn’t just a matter of brute force; it reflected something deeper about the Russian psyche. Historically drawn to authoritarian leadership, Russia has shown again and again a terrifying willingness to endure staggering losses when it believes the motherland is at stake. That doesn’t make them noble, but it makes them dangerous. And any nation contemplating conflict with Russia ought to grasp this reality before imagining war will follow a Western script. The West’s misreading of this mindset may be one of its greatest strategic errors in the Ukraine conflict.

You cannot beat an unstoppable hoard with tech. History is rife with all kinds of lessons in that.

 

[ll74]

You cannot beat an unstoppable hoard with tech. History is rife with all kinds of lessons in that.

They're hitting supply chains, factories, armories hundreds of miles away.
They're sending bombing.kamikaze drones at advancing torces.

This isn't a new gun or plane where manpower is needed. Cheap, easy to replicate and powerful. History has never seen advancement like this.

 

[Lazaran]

Yup. Obama and Biden abandned Ukraine

You WERE WRONG about DonOld, and you ARE WRONG about President Obama & President Biden.

I’ll leave it at that ^.

Hole that ^ helps.





We. Told. Them. So.

 

[HisArpy]

They're hitting supply chains, factories, armories hundreds of miles away.
They're sending bombing.kamikaze drones at advancing torces.

This isn't a new gun or plane where manpower is needed. Cheap, easy to replicate and powerful. History has never seen advancement like this.

Lol. The same thing was said about stone axes and knives back in the day.

 

[ll74]

Lol. The same thing was said about stone axes and knives back in the day.

Yep and then tanks came along
And then planes
And both of those completely changed the field of battle and the advantages clearly in favor of the best tech.
Drones are the next wave of tech to do this.

 

[HisArpy]

Yep and then tanks came along
And then planes
And both of those completely changed the field of battle and the advantages clearly in favor of the best tech.
Drones are the next wave of tech to do this.

Germany's Panzer was the best tank on the battlefield. Germany still lost the war because Russia threw the most basic weapon at them - a hoard.

As for drones, you think other nations can't build them too? If Russia does, what happens to Ukraine then?

Basically you're rooting for the underdog. That's good but you also have to face the reality that the underdog is the underdog for a reason and that the heavyweight is going to crush them eventually. It's almost inevitable. The only question is whether it's a quick beat down or if it comes after a long slow torturous war that decimates them completely.

Remember too that Russia is historically known to be extremely cruel.

 

[ll74]

Germany's Panzer was the best tank on the battlefield. Germany still lost the war because Russia threw the most basic weapon at them - a hoard.

They were fighting on two fronts - the US has air superiority.

As for drones, you think other nations can't build them too? If Russia does, what happens to Ukraine then?

They are building them, but Ukraine is building them faster and better.

Basically you're rooting for the underdog. That's good but you also have to face the reality that the underdog is the underdog for a reason and that the heavyweight is going to crush them eventually. It's almost inevitable. The only question is whether it's a quick beat down or if it comes after a long slow torturous war that decimates them completely.

I'm rooting for the invaded Democratic country to beat back the invading autocratic dictator country.

Are you rooting for Putin?

Remember too that Russia is historically known to be extremely cruel.

Yes, they've demonstrated that by attacking civilian infrastructure and kidnapping Ukrainian children to brainwash them and use as soldiers.

Cruel doesn't mean stronger or better.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Right now,nobody can move within about 20 miles of the frontline on either side thx to drones. It's a WW1 stalemate.

Russia can leep attacking and losing me. With EU and Japanese $'s, Ukraine can keep building and destroying Russia and Russians.

Which will go down first? My money's on Russia foing down. Their logistics are shit. And this is the inverse of Vietnam. Ukraine has a safe haven inside the EU, where everuthing they need can be manufactured and shipped to them. Add in they are building their own manufacturing complexes in the West, away from Russia and near the borders and in tunnels in the Carpathians (Cold War stuff) that Russia can't hit, and they are not throwing men into senseless attacks (in general). Logistics wins wars, and logistics are on Ukraone's side. Nothing Putin or Trump can do about that..

 

[Lazaran]

Derpy and Russiaguide seem to forget that Russia was primarily DEFENDING in WWII, just like Ukraine is primarily DEFENDING now.

The countries / forces that are DEFENDING will ALWAYS have an advantage.

The fact that Ukraine is DEFENDING with some VERY advanced technology exacerbates the problem for Russia exponentially.

Hope that ^ helps.



Derpy & Russiaguide



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[HisArpy]

Right now,nobody can move within about 20 miles of the frontline on either side thx to drones. It's a WW1 stalemate.

Russia can leep attacking and losing me. With EU and Japanese $'s, Ukraine can keep building and destroying Russia and Russians.

Which will go down first? My money's on Russia foing down. Their logistics are shit. And this is the inverse of Vietnam. Ukraine has a safe haven inside the EU, where everuthing they need can be manufactured and shipped to them. Add in they are building their own manufacturing complexes in the West, away from Russia and near the borders and in tunnels in the Carpathians (Cold War stuff) that Russia can't hit, and they are not throwing men into senseless attacks (in general). Logistics wins wars, and logistics are on Ukraone's side. Nothing Putin or Trump can do about that..

Putin hasn't done more than play with Ukraine like a cat plays with a mouse. If you think he's been putting it all out there, you need to learn strategy.

Russia has thousands of missiles they can lob at Ukrainian positions. They aren't doing that. Ask yourself why. The answer is that it would increase resistance morale. It's better for Russia to wait until Ukraine is nearly completely demoralized before they start pounding the Ukraine's front lines with missiles because at that point Ukraine cannot respond.

End game.

 

[ll74]

Lol

 

[Rightguide]

To you.
Because of your admiration of Putin.


Men running into drones.
One man operating multiple drones.

It matters.

Understanding centuries of Russian history clearly means I'm a card-carrying fanboy of Putin. Apparently, nuance is now a thought crime. But sure, keep waving away inconvenient facts with your bumper-sticker logic. It's much easier to shout 'apologist!' than to confront the messy realities of history, or the actual situation on the ground in Ukraine.

 

[Rightguide]

Putin hasn't done more than play with Ukraine like a cat plays with a mouse. If you think he's been putting it all out there, you need to learn strategy.

Russia has thousands of missiles they can lob at Ukrainian positions. They aren't doing that. Ask yourself why. The answer is that it would increase resistance morale. It's better for Russia to wait until Ukraine is nearly completely demoralized before they start pounding the Ukraine's front lines with missiles because at that point Ukraine cannot respond.

End game.

There are important historical reasons why Putin does not want to go for the kill and destroy Kiev. He will take his time as you suggest.

 

[Lazaran]

Understanding centuries of Russian history clearly means I'm a card-carrying fanboy of Putin. Apparently, nuance is now a thought crime. But sure, keep waving away inconvenient facts with your bumper-sticker logic. It's much easier to shout 'apologist!' than to confront the messy realities of history, or the actual situation on the ground in Ukraine.

Russiaguide doesn’t even recognize the fact that Russia was primarily DEFENDING in WWII and that Ukraine is now primarily DEFENDING.

But, yeah, Russiaguide is an "expert" on Russia and war strategy.



Russiaguide



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[ll74]

Understanding centuries of Russian history clearly means I'm a card-carrying fanboy of Putin. Apparently, nuance is now a thought crime. But sure, keep waving away inconvenient facts with your bumper-sticker logic. It's much easier to shout 'apologist!' than to confront the messy realities of history, or the actual situation on the ground in Ukraine.

The rules of engagement have changed. What part of that are you missing here?

All of your posts (and Arpy's) indicate an admiration for Putin.

You also seem to forget that Ukraine was part of that Army in Russian history. (As does Arpy)

 

[Rightguide]

The rules of engagement have changed. What part of that are you missing here?

All of your posts (and Arpy's) indicate an admiration for Putin.

You also seem to forget that Ukraine was part of that Army in Russian history. (As does Arpy)

You say this because you're intellectually lazy and cannot address with any authority the facts and realities of what is happening on the ground in Ukraine. So you resort to intellectual cowardice.

 

[Lazaran]

Yep, DonOld & the MAGAt republicans are traitors (Russian assets) who are giving aid and comfort to Putin & Russia:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna216358







We. Told. Them. So.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Yep, DonOld & the MAGAt republicans are traitors (Russian assets) who are giving aid and comfort to Putin & Russia:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna216358







We. Told. Them. So.

Nobody is surprised that Trump is halting weapons supply to Ukraine. His loyalty to Putin is unwavering.

 

[ll74]

You say this because you're intellectually lazy and cannot address with any authority the facts and realities of what is happening on the ground in Ukraine. So you resort to intellectual cowardice.

Lol ...of course

 

[Rightguide]

Nobody is surprised that Trump is halting weapons supply to Ukraine. His loyalty to Putin is unwavering.

That fantasy of yours has nothing to do with it. That was Biden's war. he spoke the words that allowed Putin to think it was okay to invade Ukraine.

 

[MajorRewrite]

That fantasy of yours has nothing to do with it. That was Biden's war. he spoke the words that allowed Putin to think it was okay to invade Ukraine.

US won’t send some weapons pledged to Ukraine

The munitions were previously promised to Ukraine for use during its ongoing war with Russia under the Biden administration. But the pause reflects a new set of priorities under President Donald Trump.

The halt of some weapons comes after Russia launched its biggest combined aerial attack against Ukraine over the weekend, Ukrainian officials said, in an escalating bombing campaign that has further dashed hopes for a breakthrough in peace efforts championed by Trump.

Trump demonstrates his support for Putin.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Doesn't matter. It's the willingness to sacrifice and having the manpower to do so that matters here.

WW1 Eastern Front. Same approach. Russia collapsed and the bolshevik Revolution happened....

It'll end up like this on the Russian side.....

 

[ChloeTzang]

Trump Administration Scum Sabotage Ukrainian Defense Once Again

Confirming yet again that they are actively in bed with Putin and Russia, the Trump Administration sewage pond scum have frozen urgently needed air defense missiles and other key weapons shipments to Ukraine.

U.S. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has ordered a pause in missile and ammunition deliveries to Kyiv, including Patriot interceptors vital for Ukraine’s air defenses, amid one of Russia’s biggest aerial attack campaigns of the war, Defense Express reported on July 2. The delayed weapons include dozens of Patriot and NASAMS interceptors, which can defend against Russian missiles, as well as missiles for F-16 fighter jets. Shipments of thousands of 155mm high-explosive howitzer munitions, over 100 Hellfire missiles, over 250 precision-guided missile systems known as GMLRS, and dozens of Stinger surface-to-air missiles and grenade launchers have also been halted. This includes AIM air-to-air missiles for which Ukrainian Buk air defense systems were adapted under the FrankenSAM project. The munitions were approved as part of the Presidential Drawdown Authority and Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative packages during the Biden administration.

Kyiv has repeatedly appealed for additional U.S. and European air defense weaponry to counter Russia’s massive combined drone and missile air raids in recent months. Over the weekend, Ukraine’s Defense Minister Rustem Umerov said that Russia had launched the largest aerial attack on the country since Moscow’s full-scale invasion in 2022, firing 60 missiles and 477 drones. This follows an earlier statement by White House spokesperson Anna Kelly on July 1 that the "decision to halt some weapons shipments was made to put America's interests first following" a Defense Department "review of our nation's military support and assistance to other countries across the globe."

In a separate statement on the same day, Elbridge Colby, the Department of Defense's Under Secretary of Policy, said that the "Department of Defense continues to provide the President with robust options to continue military aid to Ukraine, consistent with his goal of bringing this tragic war to an end. At the same time, the Department is rigorously examining and adapting its approach to achieving this objective while also preserving U.S. forces' readiness for Administration defense priorities." It is not yet known whether the United States will resume transferring these weapons to Ukraine. Analysts do not rule out the possibility that Washington may stop providing military assistance to Kyiv altogether.

On Feb. 2, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said that Ukraine had received only $76 billion of the $177 billion in aid approved by the United States.

Looks like what the USA under Trump is actually doing is robustly working to damage Ukraine's defense and work to aid Russia achieve victory with the now more and more open goal of supporting the Russian genocide and extermination of Ukraine. It goes without saying that Trump and his people, by arbitrarily depriving Ukraine of critical air defense сapabilities, are sending Putin the most precise and most eloquent invitation to intensify his terror missile strikes on Ukrainian cities and to continue the mass murder of civilians.

Now even more Ukrainians will die under the rubble of their own homes in the night.

From the very beginning of this campaign, Trump has had no objections to Putin's blood lust, and has continually encouraged him, making him a direct accomplice in the destruction of Ukraine -- and Trump is doing an excellent job assisting Putin.

https://english.nv.ua/nation/halted...100-hellfire-missiles-250-gmlrs-50526624.html

 

[dmallord]

That fantasy of yours has nothing to do with it. That was Biden's war. he spoke the words that allowed Putin to think it was okay to invade Ukraine.

Words have consequences. Donald Trump's words:

“I think he’s done really a great job of outsmarting our country.”

“I think that I would probably get along with him very well. And I don’t think you’d be having the kind of problems that you’re having right now.”

“It is always a great honor to be so nicely complimented by a man so highly respected within his own country and beyond,” Trump said in a statement. “I have always felt that Russia and the United States should be able to work well with each other towards defeating terrorism and restoring world peace, not to mention trade and all of the other benefits derived from mutual respect.”

“I’m not going to tell Putin what to do. Why would I tell him what to do?”

“Why do I have to get tough on Putin? I don’t know anything other than that he doesn’t respect our country.”

 

[ChloeTzang]

Trump yet again screws over Ukraineand helps Russia murder Ukrainian civilians. Meanwhile, Latvia......