The future is dense, walkable cities.

[MajorRewrite]

Where does 'Watts' fit into your dense, walkable city? Gotta put the poor people somewhere. Or just walk around them?

A not-so-fun fact: there’s more poverty in non-urban areas than in urban areas.

 

[Saint_Ann]

A not-so-fun fact: there’s more poverty in non-urban areas than in urban areas.

Not per square foot.

 

[SimonDoom]

My take: We don't know what the future will hold and we should be cautious about making predictions and prescriptions.

What if world population tops out by mid-century and begins to fall? What if we finally develop flying cars? Or what if communication technology becomes so advanced that we lose the need to physically move from one place to another (this is already happening to some degree). What if we develop far better methods of resource management and environmental protection (better water use)?

I can't speak for all countries, but there's plenty of space in the USA and there will be for a long time. I suspect the OP is right that the long-term trend will be toward smarter urban areas, but I'm not sure about that.

The one thing I feel reasonably confident about is that long-term solutions will be consumer-driven, from the bottom up, rather than government-driven, from the top down. But I don't know for sure what consumers ultimately will want.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

My take: We don't know what the future will hold and we should be cautious about making predictions and prescriptions.

What if world population tops out by mid-century and begins to fall? What if we finally develop flying cars? Or what if communication technology becomes so advanced that we lose the need to physically move from one place to another (this is already happening to some degree). What if we develop far better methods of resource management and environmental protection (better water use)?

I can't speak for all countries, but there's plenty of space in the USA and there will be for a long time. I suspect the OP is right that the long-term trend will be toward smarter urban areas, but I'm not sure about that.

The one thing I feel reasonably confident about is that long-term solutions will be consumer-driven, from the bottom up, rather than government-driven, from the top down. But I don't know for sure what consumers ultimately will want.

A big part of the modern urbanist movement is ending government subsidies that encourage car travel. The car-centric infrastructure that dominates U.S cities is the result of 100 years of bad government policy. If drivers bore the real cost of automobile usage, the free market would take care of the rest.

 

[SimonDoom]

A big part of the modern urbanist movement is ending government subsidies that encourage car travel. The car-centric infrastructure that dominates U.S cities is the result of 100 years of bad government policy. If drivers bore the real cost of automobile usage, the free market would take care of the rest.

I agree.

 

[jaF0]

OK, here's your chance. Push the focus of this into redeveloping urban areas.

Harris campaign releases new ad to highlight plans to build 3 million homes​

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/ip3/abcnews.go.com.icoABC News|14 hours ago
Vice President Kamala Harris has a new advertising push to draw attention to her plan to build 3 million new homes over four years



There are large sections of many cities that are dilapidated and nearly uninhabitable due to decay of the homes. Use programs like this to demolish blocks of older inefficient and outdated homes. Two flats, four flats, oversized places built in the 30s or before when big was better. Blocks where there may have been 50 structures on 30' x 60' lots. Expand the lots a bit to maybe 40 or 50' wide instead of 30. Build new one or two story homes that are energy efficient with a price point more people can afford but with a bit more green space they use for gardening or home recreation.

Use similar funding to redevelop local retail so people don't have to travel miles to get a gallon of milk.

Then add in your transportation options.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Interesting article about “social housing” developments in Australia, with examples of the people who have benefited greatly.

Social housing that puts design first is creating communities and homes residents are proud of

 

[Rightguide]

A big part of the modern urbanist movement is ending government subsidies that encourage car travel. The car-centric infrastructure that dominates U.S cities is the result of 100 years of bad government policy. If drivers bore the real cost of automobile usage, the free market would take care of the rest.

So far the policies of your party have destroyed some of the greatest cities in the US. You've turned downtown San Francisco, Oakland, and Los Angeles into drug-ridden trash heaps that are hardly walkable without being armed.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

So far the policies of your party have destroyed some of the greatest cities in the US. You've turned downtown San Francisco, Oakland, and Los Angeles into drug-ridden trash heaps that are hardly walkable without being armed.

I walk around downtown Los Angeles all the time. It would be safer if there were fewer cars, but we're working on that.

 

[Rightguide]

I walk around downtown Los Angeles all the time. It would be safer if there were fewer cars, but we're working on that.

Cars are now banned on Market Street in San Francisco which led to the closing of most of the businesses on the street as well. All you see now are empty storefronts, bums, litter, and graffiti. But I will admit you're free to walk, get mugged, killed, or tiptoe around piles of shit. I hear Fisherman's Wharf is closed as well. Great accomplishment now the sea lions really are free to take over and stink the place up.

 

[Lazaran]

Cars are now banned on Market Street in San Francisco which led to the closing of most of the businesses on the street as well. All you see now are empty storefronts, bums, litter, and graffiti. But I will admit you're free to walk, get mugged, killed, or tiptoe around piles of shit. I hear Fisherman's Wharf is closed as well. Great accomplishment now the sea lions really are free to take over and stink the place up.

"Right"guide "thinks" that the banning of cars on Market Street in San Francisco is the cause of the problems there, and not shifts in business paradigms due to the pandemic and pandemic related inflation.



"Right"guide

 

[MajorRewrite]

YIMBYs for Harris

 

[MajorRewrite]

If they want the walkability of dense cities they would be seeking that life now.

There are no people living in cities now? The demand for those places hasn’t driven up prices?

You continue to be the stable genius of this forum.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Where does 'Watts' fit into your dense, walkable city? Gotta put the poor people somewhere. Or just walk around them?

It’s on the Blue Line.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Pushing people to give up cars while driving is still somewhat affordable is a proposition that won't sell. It needs something offered in trade: guns, blowjobs, etc. If they want the walkability of dense cities they would be seeking that life now.

They are. That’s why housing is so expensive in walkable cities.

 

[HectorBidon]

Three ideas to save S.F. Muni that have nothing to do with cutting service

It’s a fiscally fraught time. Yet San Franciscans should ask themselves why bus and train service are on the chopping block even as we continue to subsidize the most expensive, inequitable and polluting mode of transportation in the city: the private car.

We cannot keep asking transit riders to pay more and get less while car owners enjoy vast subsidies and free rein over public space. Congestion pricing, expanded meter hours and reformed parking policy are not radical ideas. They are the foundation of a city that values fairness, climate action and fiscal responsibility.

 

[Politruk]

Small sturdy trucks can be useful anywhere: farms, urban delivery, etc. We don't have them in the US anymore because the EPA pushes the carmakers towards bigger vehicles by setting CAFE standards impossibly high for smaller footprints.

I had a couple Ford Rangers from the 1990s, but never with a 4 cylinder engine. Now I want one, but those are far too rare to find one at an affordable price.

That makes no sense -- why would larger trucks have better fuel economy?

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Manhattan's skyscrapers are half or less than half occupied. As building owners become unable to pay their bills or sell, the buildings will be abandoned. Demolition will cost more than the land's value. Squatters will move in, and that's when the horror starts. Without flush toilets and elevators, squatters on higher floors will either let their waste pile up inside or dump it out the broken windows on the sidewalks below, from many stories up.

Commercial properties haven’t recovered from Covid in many parts of the country. Converting office buildings to residential isn’t as cost effective as demolition in many cases. I doubt the scenario you’re forecasting will happen but shrinking property tax assessments might have serious financial implications for NYC if they haven’t already. The next mayor might regret chasing the job.

 

[RoryN]

BabyBoomer50s calling others "racist":

Keep defending your jew-hating pals you racist POS.

https://forum.literotica.com/threads/israel-hamas-pb-tribal-fight.1596886/post-98830842

Like many progressive Democrats, she is an unhinged racist.

https://forum.literotica.com/thread...-racist-comments-galore.1603711/post-98279471


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BabyBoomer50s being racist:

[Elizabeth Holms riots] Geez, the case hasn’t even gone to the jury and the rioters in CA are already looting the high end fashion stores. If the verdict goes the wrong way the streets of Walnut Creek, San Francisco, and LA could be filled with blondes in black turtlenecks. Not even going to guess how this would all go down if she were black.

https://forum.literotica.com/threads/elizabeth-holmes-riots.1556275/

 

[MajorRewrite]

Manhattan's skyscrapers are half or less than half occupied. As building owners become unable to pay their bills or sell, the buildings will be abandoned. Demolition will cost more than the land's value. Squatters will move in, and that's when the horror starts. Without flush toilets and elevators, squatters on higher floors will either let their waste pile up inside or dump it out the broken windows on the sidewalks below, from many stories up.

Totally Fact Free Cherno. He’s the looniest of the loons.

Do you sit around all day thinking up dystopian bullshit, loon?

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

BabyBoomer50s calling others "racist":


https://forum.literotica.com/threads/israel-hamas-pb-tribal-fight.1596886/post-98830842



https://forum.literotica.com/thread...-racist-comments-galore.1603711/post-98279471


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BabyBoomer50s being racist:


https://forum.literotica.com/threads/elizabeth-holmes-riots.1556275/

Thanks for reminding all about your hatred toward Jews.

 

[RoryN]

Thanks for reminding all about your hatred toward Jews.

...?

Seek substance-abuse help from a professional.

 

[SkyBubble]

Car suburbs were a failed experiment from the last century. Forcing people to drive everywhere was great for the oil and car industries, but private cars turned out to be an ecological disaster, not to mention the fact that many American cities were gutted to build car infrastructure. Entire neighborhoods were razed to build highways and parking lots.

The way forward is to redirect public spending on car infrastructure to buses and trains. Convert lanes that are currently used for on-street parking into dedicated bus and bike routes. Bring back streetcars. Impose heavy penalties on careless drivers who kill pedestrians.

It will take decades to undo the damage that the private car has done to American cities, but European and Japanese cities can be used as models for how we can get rid of traffic and make our cities easier to get around in.

Sorry, but no. Taht's something the Establishment wants to control us.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Sorry, but no. Taht's something the Establishment wants to control us.

Then why did “The Establishment” allow roads which dictate how & where we can go?

 

[LauraLO]

NY, Chicago and San Fran used to be wonderful cities to stroll about...not so much any more. Paris was and is my all time favorite walking city. It's been a couple years and hoping it hasn't changed.