I've had enough

themightyxloph

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I have decided to stop publishing on Literotica, effective immediately.

This was not an easy decision, especially since it means that a squel in series I started now won't appear here. But I've had enough.

I am sick and tired of the way Literotica treats its authors, which over the years has gone from firm-but-reasonable to arrogant to downright Kafkaesque.

I have been publishing here for more than twelve years. I've submitted 34 stories, one of which has a 4.6 star rating, the rest all 4.7. and 4.8+. During that time I've had only one story being rejected upon publication, for reasons that were made clear at the time, and the corrected version was accepted upon resubmission. However, in recent years I've had stories being taken down several times, months or even years after they had been accepted and published. In all cases the cited reason was a generic violation of Lit's publication policies causing the story to be 'sent back'.

It appears that whenever anyone (literally anyone) clicks the 'report submission' option, that story is automatically taken down. Just like that. The author isn't notified; he/she has to stumble across the problem by accident, or by checking on a weekly basis to see if all submitted stories are still online! The reasons given for the rejections (if any reasons are given at all) are so brief as to be useless; an author has to go through the story, guess at what might be the offending plot element / passage / sentence / word (any is possible), make changes, and hope for the best.

Then the revised story has to be entered as a new submission, which typically takes 5-10 days to be processed. All ratings, comments etc. associated with the previously published version are gone. Meanwhile Literotica staff will not respond to questions, requests for clarification or other enquiries, nor will they provide any insight as to what the problem is this time.

I understand Lit has to have policies on goes and what does not. It's their website; they get to decide. That's fine. And legally, the buck stops with them, so they have to cover their asses. I get that. I also understand that sometimes policies have to be updated. That's life. Even the fact that this happens without any notice and that authors have to check for themselves every time there's a day in the week is something I could live with.

But here's the thing. The owners/operators run Literotica for a living. They derive revenue from it. They need good content to do that, and authors provide that content free of charge, for no other reward than the satisfaction of sharing their stories with others. That's cool, but when people work for a pat on the back, don't repeatedly kick them in the nuts instead.

Writing good stories can be hard work, and Literotica makes good money off their authors' submissions. Yet they treat their authors as if they're a nuisance, and they act as if publishing on Lit is a privilege that gives them the right to slap down everyone who doesn't toe the line, even when that line changes without any notice, warning or feedback.

There have to be rules. I get that. But if you want to continue to make a living off free submissions, at least treat your authors like they mean something and don't be a PITA when they try to give you the free content that is your bread and butter.

So I'm calling it a day. Too bad. It's been fun. Or rather, it used to be.
 
Then the revised story has to be entered as a new submission, which typically takes 5-10 days to be processed. All ratings, comments etc. associated with the previously published version are gone. Meanwhile Literotica staff will not respond to questions, requests for clarification or other enquiries, nor will they provide any insight as to what the problem is this time.
Not that it likely matters, but this is inaccurate.

You can click on the story in the rejected folder, edit it, add a note saying what you edited in response to the rejection, and it will go back up with all the previous statistics intact, so long as it is approved.

You're not exactly in controversial categories or those with extra rules like celeb&ff... What are you getting rejected for? Content? Grammar?

If the former, is there a common theme? Sexual violence? Questionable age? It just seems weird that someone would be reporting your stuff time and time again unless there was something edgy you were doing. I can't think of anyone getting rejected after the fact for grammar.
 
It would be helpful if you could provide examples of why some specific story of yours was taken down. Many authors here would be curious to see it.

When it comes to everything else you said, I agree 100%. The way Literotica treats its authors is just sad.
 
I don't know if there's even an alternative place to share erotica, but you're definitely right about Lit depending on authors for free bread and butter. I haven't dealt with anything being randomly deleted or rejected after being published myself, probably because I've only posted a few stories.

I'd be interested to know exactly what was said when your stories were rejected. If the rejection messages were vague and not helpful, I'd still be interested in knowing. Cause from the looks of it, you're writing sci fi, so it's hard to imagine what could possibly be wrong with your stories if you're not covering edgy and taboo stuff.
 
Sorry to hear about all this. I don't blame you at all. This is a free site so it's not like anyone here has an incentive to deal with bullshit and although some can continue to deal with it, we live in a time where there is so much stress in everyday life that why should something we want to enjoy turn into aggravation and unfair treatment?

The reports and rule 'enforcement' is laughable here and that's being generous because I've reported stories that blatantly break the rules here and nothing happens.

It seems we've been seeing more of these threads the last couple of years, and you have to wonder how many people leave without any type of post. Probably many.

Sorry this didn't work out, good luck with whatever you choose to do from here.
 
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It could be the latest tactic for people to protect their Hall of Fame positions.
I think you're on to something. It is insane what some readers will do to defend their favorite author or story.

One here-as in lit not the forum-used to have a Tumblr blog where he would tell his readers to go bomb stories that had 'wrongly surpassed him' on the top lists and authors he didn't like.
 
Then the revised story has to be entered as a new submission, which typically takes 5-10 days to be processed. All ratings, comments etc. associated with the previously published version are gone. Meanwhile Literotica staff will not respond to questions, requests for clarification or other enquiries, nor will they provide any insight as to what the problem is this time.
Don't think so. If the taken down story is "fixed" and resubmitted, and the fixes remedy the issue, the story gets reinstated, and all the existing meta-data remains.
So I'm calling it a day. Too bad. It's been fun. Or rather, it used to be.
But then, you won't read the comment above, because you're gone.

I suspect we're only getting half of the story. Like others, I'm curious as to the reasons for the take-down. Generally speaking, where there's smoke there's fire.
 
When it comes to everything else you said, I agree 100%. The way Literotica treats its authors is just sad.
Lit has long had the don't like it leave attitude and you see that has trickled down to the forums where the usual suspects will try to turn any complaint back onto the complainer.

The site has long benefitted from being if not first to market, the first one to really blow up and have the largest readership and number of authors and stories. Its a case of it succeeding despite itself. If there ever comes a point the site is seriously challenged by a competitor, I don't know that they'd win or even try to.
 
Don't think so. If the taken down story is "fixed" and resubmitted, and the fixes remedy the issue, the story gets reinstated, and all the existing meta-data remains.

But then, you won't read the comment above, because you're gone.

I suspect we're only getting half of the story. Like others, I'm curious as to the reasons for the take-down. Generally speaking, where there's smoke there's fire.
Case in point of my last post.
 
I think you're on to something. It is insane what some readers will do to defend their favorite author or story.
The readers. Sure. Not the authors at all. Because they're authors, and we're authors, so they must be lovely people.

One of my stories has shot into the top of the E&V Hall of Fame three times now. Each time it was bombed within hours. The bombs get swept, the story shoots back onto the list, and gets bombed again immediately.

But sure, it's readers, who apparently care more about a particular writer's rankings than the writer does.
 
The readers. Sure. Not the authors at all. Because they're authors, and we're authors, so they must be lovely people.

One of my stories has shot into the top of the E&V Hall of Fame three times now. Each time it was bombed within hours. The bombs get swept, the story shoots back onto the list, and gets bombed again immediately.

But sure, it's readers, who apparently care more about a particular writer's rankings than the writer does.
I never said authors are innocent.

Look at post #9 here where I mention one that used his blog to sic people on stories or authors

But having said that, a readership can do a lot more damage than one author, and trust me, there are plenty of readers here who get territorial over their fav story or author.

Even in the forum. People here have experienced getting into an argument here and then seeing some bombs or a crappy anon comment. The immediate guess is it's that member, or another who saw the post and didn't like it, but truth is we have a lot of ghoster types here who never post but they see everything.

We can debate who does is this, but whoever it is, I think we can agree its petty crappy behavior and it's a shame that it happens and it's even worse in contests.
 
People are misreading this. The OP said, "I have decided to stop publishing on Literotica."

That’s not the same as leaving.
 
But sure, it's readers, who apparently care more about a particular writer's rankings than the writer does.
If you ask any popular online creator, he'll tell you that it's very easy to accidentally grow a, let's call it overly devoted fanbase that will go out of their way to prop up their favorite parasocial celebrity. You have to very actively counteract this effect; and since Lit doesn't even provide any decent way to communicate with your fans, it's no wonder that popular authors find themselves surrounded by a throng of loyal fans who go on downvoting/reporting crusades unprompted.

Of course, if you go and actively sic your fanboys on other authors and their ratings, then that's another story entirely.
 
Before I had all of my multi-chapter stories converted to single submissions, an author in this forum reported a single chapter in the middle of one of my stories and it got taken down. That was like ripping the pages out of the middle of a book.

The story had been published for a few years, had a good rating, and almost exclusively positive feedback. An appeal to Laurel got the chapter reinstated very quickly.
 
Not that it likely matters, but this is inaccurate.

You can click on the story in the rejected folder, edit it, add a note saying what you edited in response to the rejection, and it will go back up with all the previous statistics intact, so long as it is approved.

This.

Or simply someone with a grudge.

Yes. That happened to me.

@themightyxloph, this happened to me once. The exact same situation: spurious report, stories taken down without notice, everything. I reached out to Laurel and within about a week everything was back up, with all its data intact.

That was probably around six years ago, so the site has been handling these things like that at least since then. Don't overreact.
 
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But here's the thing. The owners/operators run Literotica for a living. They derive revenue from it. They need good content to do that, and authors provide that content free of charge, for no other reward than the satisfaction of sharing their stories with others. ...
Literotica does NOT need "good" content.

Literotica needs NEW content for click-bait!

It's not your story ratings that are valuable to LitE. It's the number of VIEWS which gives them the stats to sell ad space and actually make money to support the site. And the one thing they can't allow is for anything to drive viewers away. So, they default to hiding anything which anyone complains is triggering or may draw the "cancel culture" to call for a boycott of their site.

Once you realize it's the VIEWS which are valuable, you can have a lot more fun cranking out stories to poke the haters and plus up the site's traffic. I have almost 1.5 MILLION views in just over four years of stories, some of which are real crap! (But I had fun writing them.)

EDIT: My latest story "Suspicion, or Paranoia?" is less than two days old. It's rated 2.78 with 678 votes! But it has 11,500 VIEWS already!
 
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Literotica does NOT need "good" content.

Literotica needs NEW content for click-bait!

It's not your story ratings that are valuable to LitE. It's the number of VIEWS which gives them the stats to sell ad space and actually make money to support the site. And the one thing they can't allow is for anything to drive viewers away. So, they default to hiding anything which anyone complains is triggering or may draw the "cancel culture" to call for a boycott of their site.

Once you realize it's the VIEWS which are valuable, you can have a lot more fun cranking out stories to poke the haters and plus up the site's traffic. I have almost 1.5 MILLION views in just over four years of stories, some of which are real crap! (But I had fun writing them.)

EDIT: My latest story "Suspicion, or Paranoia?" is less than two days old. It's rated 2.78 with 678 votes! But it has 11,500 VIEWS already!
If views matter, then retaining and gaining readers matter, which means having good content matters in order for sustainability and growth.
 
If views matter, then retaining and gaining readers matter, which means having good content matters in order for sustainability and growth.

I'm not sure about that. Most people who read here do so in order to get off. That's not a difficult thing to make someone do using words; it most definitely does NOT require "good content," as I would define it. But that definition is slippery, remember: one person's "good" is another person's "great" and still another's "meh."

They're not peddling good stories here. They're peddling orgasms. That's something animals have routinely done for free for all of eternity. Laurel and Manu are just two of many who have figured out how to monetize it.

The views will continue as long as there are people who want to masturbate. In other words, sustainability is assured. As for "growth?" They're posting more stories each day than any one person can possibly read, and very few of them are what I'd call "good." They're still driving views, and those views are still driving dollars.
 
This.



Yes. That happened to me.

@themightyxloph, this happened to me once. The exact same situation: spurious report, stories taken down without notice, everything. I reached out to Laurel and within about a week everything was back up, with all its data intact.

That was probably around six years ago, so the site has been handling these things like that at least since then. Don't overreact.


No, no... where there's smoke there's fire... you must have been doing something wrong. /sarcasm off
 
No, no... where there's smoke there's fire... you must have been doing something wrong. /sarcasm off

I was, lol. I had the temerity, as a very new writer, to remind a longtime poster in the AH that they were not the Most Important Person In The World. Lo and behold, my stories got pulled about two hours later.

Gee. That's a tough mystery to solve...
 
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