The long, strange desclension of Republican presidents

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There has never been a Pub POTUS since Eisenhower who was worth anything. Every one since was worse than the one before.

"Have you heard about the Eisenhower doll? You wind it up, and it does nothing for eight years!" But, in fact, Eisenhower was very busy behind the scenes. He cultivated a public image of idleness -- that was just his way of shoring up morale and calming Cold War anxieties. "You see? Everything's great! The President doesn't need to do anything but golf!" It is notable that Eisenhower had no ideological politics to speak of and could as easily have been a Democrat -- both parties approached him to be their candidate. He accepted the New Deal as a fait accompli, and sensibly dismissed as stupid and irrelevant the reactionaries who would roll it back. The worst you can say against him is that he planted the seeds of the Vietnam War.

Then there was Nixon -- a man it was really easy for Boomer hippies and activists to see as the motherfucking Antichrist, and it's hard now to say they were wrong. Now, to be fair, Nixon was very highly intelligent, and sincerely committed to public service as he understood it. But his conception of civic virtue never included honesty, not even in principle -- his attitude was, those in the know will make the decisions, and the public will be told what it needs to be told. Privately he was the most vulgar sort of racist, as transcripts of Oval Office recordings make clear, but he was not really emotionally invested in either side of the civil rights movement -- politically, racism was only something to exploit for advantage, hence the Southern Strategy. Nixon was personally responsible for prolonging the Vietnam War, which would have ended in 1968, but Nixon used his connections to sabotage the Paris Peace Talks -- just so the war would still be there as an issue for him to run against in November, claiming he had a "secret plan" to end it. (This is very well documented.) OTOH, we can thank Nixon for the EPA, and normalizing relations with "Red China," among other things. He was a flaming Commie by the standards of today's GOP.

So was Reagan, even though he fulfilled the dreams of the Movement Conservatism that began in 1964. Reagan did not repair the economy or win the Cold War, those were just things that happened on his watch. He left an entirely pernicious legacy in American politics -- see Tear Down This Myth: How the Reagan Legacy Has Distorted Our Politics and Haunts Our Future. The worst thing about Reagan was that he was stupid even before he went senile -- but, unlike Trump, he did have a knack for surrounding himself with people who knew what they were doing. He was as hands-off as Eisenhower pretended to be, let his subordinates do the governing, which was probably the best choice in his case. But on the whole, the Reagan years were an embarrassment -- remember James Watt, the pro-corporate Interior Secretary who thought the Beach Boys would drive people to destructive craziness?

Bush I was only Reagan Lite. He was a man of his old-money class -- he never changed the evil and destructive supply-side approach that he himself mocked as "voodoo economics" during the 1980 primaries. And that led him to wreck the economy. Otherwise, forgettable apart from the Gulf War.

Bush II was far and away the worst president since Buchanan, until Trump edged him out of that ranking. He was as stupid as Reagan and not one whit more honest. He led us into a pointless and expensive quagmire of a war based on lies -- it was as if FDR had responded to the attack on Pearl Harbor by invading Brazil. He wrecked the economy utterly. No good at all ever came of his "compassionate conservatism" and "faith-based initiatives."

And now there's Trump. A president with the intellect and ethics of a real-estate developer, and not a successful one. A man who both embodies and and encourages/validates all that is evil and contemptible in the American national character -- willful ignorance, anti-intellectualism, greed, dishonesty, arrogance, racism, sexism, misogyny, xenophobia, American exceptionalism, religious bigotry, producerism, etc., etc. A kakistocrat who surrounds himself with the most incompetent, dishonest and malignant officials to be found. How did the Party of Lincoln sink this low?!
 
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The scary thing is, with the arguable exception of Bush I, each one has been much worse than the last. We always think this time they've hit rock bottom and will never find anyone even more stupid and right-wing...but so far they always have. I really don't want to know who's going to make Trump look relatively not so bad, but you can bet they'll dredge up someone who fits the bill.
 
The scary thing is, with the arguable exception of Bush I, each one has been much worse than the last. We always think this time they've hit rock bottom and will never find anyone even more stupid and right-wing...but so far they always have. I really don't want to know who's going to make Trump look relatively not so bad, but you can bet they'll dredge up someone who fits the bill.
They wouldn't have to look far. Can you say "Hillbilly Elegy"?
 
How did the Party of Lincoln sink this low?!
Probably because of the general resorting, the partial exchange of the parties' politics and constituencies, that happened in the 1960s and '70s. That process left the GOP with the white racists and the religious right, to couple with the devotion to business interests and hatred of social democracy that it already had firmly entrenched at least since the New Deal. Add the populist nationalism of Perot and the Tea Partiers/Trumpers to that mix, and there's just no hope of rising above the stupid and the evil.
 
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They wouldn't have to look far. Can you say "Hillbilly Elegy"?
I'll say Vance is worse than Trump inasmuch as he at least might not be a genuine bigot like Trump. (I consider that worse in that at least a real bigot honestly doesn't know any better - Vance does.) But I also don't see how he could win a presidential election when the GOP had to pull out all the stops to drag him over the finish line in his Senate race in a red state.
 
I'll say Vance is worse than Trump inasmuch as he at least might not be a genuine bigot like Trump. (I consider that worse in that at least a real bigot honestly doesn't know any better - Vance does.) But I also don't see how he could win a presidential election when the GOP had to pull out all the stops to drag him over the finish line in his Senate race in a red state.
He's got the 2028 nomination by default unless they can find someone even Trumpier -- and DeSantis is probably out of the running,
 
There has never been a Pub POTUS since Eisenhower who was worth anything. Every one since was worse than the one before.
And every RW on the PB knows this -- not one of them can gainsay a word of the OP. They just hate Dems and liberals so much that they don't care.
 
Trump will go down in history as the first ever President to raise taxes with the deliberate and sole intention of making stuff more expensive for Americans.

And the weird thing is, low-income Americans think that raising taxes is a great thing to do just because it might upset the 'libs'.
 
Trump will go down in history as the first ever President to raise taxes with the deliberate and sole intention of making stuff more expensive for Americans.

And the weird thing is, low-income Americans think that raising taxes is a great thing to do just because it might upset the 'libs'.
When they see retail prices rising and rising to the point that their meager paychecks can no longer cover even basic weekly expenses, it will cause them not only economic pain, but some even more painful cognitive dissonance.
 
Probably because of the general resorting, the partial exchange of the parties' politics and constituencies, that happened in the 1960s and '70s. That process left the GOP with the white racists and the religious right, to couple with the devotion to business interests and hatred of social democracy that it already had firmly entrenched at least since the New Deal. Add the populist nationalism of Perot and the Tea Partiers/Trumpers to that mix, and there's just no hope of rising above the stupid and the evil.
The really disturbing thing is that the GOP's considerable electoral success demonstrates the presence of vast depths of the stupid and the evil among the voters.
 
^^^^And I notice nobody disputes this, despite the almost mystical hold the legend of St. Ronald still has over the Republican mind.^^^^
They don't care in the least what Reagan actually did or didn't do when he was president. What they do like is the way he made it cool to be selfish, and that he won 49 states. Ever since then, I think they honestly believe the presidency belongs to them, period.
 
They don't care in the least what Reagan actually did or didn't do when he was president. What they do like is the way he made it cool to be selfish, and that he won 49 states. Ever since then, I think they honestly believe the presidency belongs to them, period.
There does appear to be a sense that the Reagan Revolution was once and for all -- any Dem POTUS after that cannot be legitimate -- an impossible reversal of history, like a Jacobite restoration.
 
I'll say Vance is worse than Trump inasmuch as he at least might not be a genuine bigot like Trump. (I consider that worse in that at least a real bigot honestly doesn't know any better - Vance does.) But I also don't see how he could win a presidential election when the GOP had to pull out all the stops to drag him over the finish line in his Senate race in a red state.
To get to the White House as a Republican now you have to have a deep-pockets patron of the billionaire class.

Trump has Elon Musk, and Jay Dee Vance basically spent his entire stint in the Senate doing the bidding of two multi-billionaires, Mark Andreessen and Peter Thiel, former invented the Mosaic browser and the latter basically invented PayPal. That made both guys rich very early on, and they got "big rich" as venture capitalists.

Vance is a "Peter Thiel man" and would/will throw Trump under the proverbial bus as soon as he is ordered.
 
Not forgetting Harlan Crow who has bought up a significant portion of the SCOTUS (and Trump of course appointed incompetent and inexperienced lawyers to the Judiciary purely because they said they support anything his does).
 
Eisenhower preserved the reforms of the New Deal, even though right wing Republicans wanted him to repeal those reforms. When Eisenhower directed the CIA to contribute to the overthrew of the democratic government of Iran, he caused the Iranian Revolution of 1979. When he refused to sign and honor the Geneva Agreement of 1954, he made the War in Vietnam inevitable.

Nixon prolonged a war the United States did not deserve to win.

Gerald Ford was not so bad. The Communists won the War in Vietnam during his administration, and he did not blame the Democrats.

Reagan taught Republicans it was acceptable to cut taxes for the rich while raising military spending and tripling the national debt.

Bush I correctly labeled Reagan's economic policy "Voodoo Economics." Then he went along with it when Reagan chose him for his Vice President. Bush I handled the Gulf War well and had the sense not to invade Iraq. Bush II lacked that sense.

Trump has the personality of a spoiled child, the vocabulary of a fourth grader, the intellect of a high school dropout, and the morals of a juvenile delinquent.
 
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