Is there a rule against questioning moderators' actions?

[Saltfountain]

You made a completely absurd statement and I asked you to explain what you said. You didn't.

Where? You've asked me nothing.

 

[Saltfountain]

For the love of God, where the hell did I say that?

You are nuts.

I think the one thing we can take from this is that you may want to reconsider staying at the Elysium...

 

[ToPleaseHim]

For the love of God, where the hell did I say that?

You are nuts.

And you are a gaslighter.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

For the love of God, where the hell did I say that?

This is as public a place as the town square. You walk around there, somebody snaps a photo of you, that’s not on them, lol.

:/

 

[BlackFlame112000]

I want whatever he's smoking , Seems like good trippy stuff

 

[SinclairGroupLLP]

I've read every word. Stop trying to weasel out of this. I already debunked your theory. It's total complete nonsense that only one in a million nudes are not meant to be shared. If that's the sword that you're going to continue to thrust, I've already impaled you on it.

Yes, it is complete nonsense that somebody would take a photo of themselves that theydidn't intend for at least one other person to see. That was my point from the beginning, and why I called SaltFountain out on his statement. It is utter nonsense.

I'm glad we are in agreement on that.

 

[SinclairGroupLLP]

:/

Are you trying to argue that if someone posts a photo on this website, it's private?

 

[Saltfountain]

Yes, it is complete nonsense that somebody would take a photo of themselves that theydidn't intend for at least one other person to see. That was my point from the beginning, and why I called SaltFountain out on his statement. It is utter nonsense.

I'm glad we are in agreement on that.

Where did you call me out?

 

[Saltfountain]

Are you trying to argue that if someone posts a photo on this website, it's private?

I'm arguing that if someone posts a pic on this website it doesn't give anyone else the right to download it and repost it.

As I have been arguing since the start of this thread...

 

[BlackFlame112000]

Sinclair, you keep arguing that because most people take nude photos intending to share them, it's somehow "nonsense" to believe someone might take one just for themselves. Even if that were true (and I don’t concede that it is), it misses the actual point. This isn't about how many people share nudes ...it’s about whether that makes it acceptable for others to take and redistribute them without permission. And the answer is no. Every time. Full stop.

You're right that digital content is inherently risky. Once it’s online, you can’t control it entirely.
But that’s a warning, not a permission slip.

You don’t get to say, “Well, you posted it, so now it’s fair game.” That’s like saying if someone leaves their curtains open, you have the right to take photos through the window and share them. You saw something you weren’t invited to share. That’s still a violation.

And the idea that posting something publicly removes all rights to it? That’s just legally false. Copyright still applies. Platform terms still apply. Ethics still apply.

The core issue is simple: intent matters, but consent matters more. You can’t repost someone else’s nude or ...any personal content ....just because you think they should have expected it to spread. That’s not how human decency works. That’s how EXPLOITATION works.

So you can argue about how likely it is someone takes a nude for themselves. But you can’t use that to excuse behavior that strips someone of their agency and privacy. If you can’t tell the difference, you’re not talking about tech or stats.....you’re talking about entitlement.

 

[AG31]

The rule she broke was posting other people's nudes.

She has been told by moderators that it is against the rules. But she doesn't agree that it is.

The picture was removed by the mod for breaking the rules
Post in thread 'Feedback on new policy announcement.' https://forum.literotica.com/threads/feedback-on-new-policy-announcement.1632516/post-100899219

The picture I posted was an avatar and was not a picture of the owner. So either it didn't break a rule, or there is a rule against posting ANY nude photos, as they are all pictures of someone. I remain confused.

I did post another cartoon of a male with a half exposed erection. That seems to be included in some people's "proof" of my rule breaking. It has not been removed.

 

[AG31]

Posting other people's nudes is not a new rule. It has always been a no-no. Try it in chat and see how quickly you get kicked or banned.

Does "other people's" mean "other Lit members?" And are they referring to posts on Lit? I posted a person's avatar. Does that count as "another person's nude?" It was not a photo of that person.

To re-phrase, does the rule mean "do not post any nudes photos, because everey photo is anothere person's nude?" Or does it mean, "don't re-post nudes that people have posted of themselves?"

 

[Saltfountain]

The picture I posted was an avatar and was not a picture of the owner. So either it didn't break a rule, or there is a rule against posting ANY nude photos, as they are all pictures of someone. I remain confused.

I did post another cartoon of a male with a half exposed erection. That seems to be included in some people's "proof" of my rule breaking. It has not been removed.

The picture you posted was not you.

The picture you posted was not your picture.

If you're going to continue to argue you did nothing wrong, at least make yourself familiar with the current picture posting rules which include...

You must have a legal right from the copyright owner to post any images - i.e. photographs/drawings that you yourself created and/or have a legal license or other legal permission to post. You retain all legal rights to your images when posting them on Literotica. You are only granting us a non-exclusive license to display them for as long as you leave them up on your account.

Want to explain how you screenshotting their AV, then uploading it onto the thread isn't a violation of that rule?

Or will you just keep ignoring it and playing victim?

 

[AG31]

Oh. I had no idea. That's different than "discussing site changes," which was what I assumed the OP was asking about.

Yes, @AG31, posting other peoples' nudes is against the rules. The mods were within their rights to nuke them, as I understand it. Questioning that decision will get you nowhere.

No, I wasn't asking about nude photos. I was asking about criticizing moderators.

 

[Saltfountain]

Does "other people's" mean "other Lit members?" And are they referring to posts on Lit? I posted a person's avatar. Does that count as "another person's nude?" It was not a photo of that person.

To re-phrase, does the rule mean "do not post any nudes photos, because everey photo is anothere person's nude?" Or does it mean, "don't re-post nudes that people have posted of themselves?"

Seriously?

Other people means people other than you.

There were people in that AV you reposted. Were they you? If not, how do you know they weren't the person whose AV it is?

And if it's not them, then you're making it even worse because you're admitting you know that you're posting nude pictures of people to a public forum without their knowledge

I genuinely cannot believe you are arguing from a position of good faith here...

 

[AG31]

If it’s posted on this site, it’s a porn pic. There is nothing private here. You don’t even need to be registered to see the forums.

I always find it odd that people seem to have expectations of privacy in places where there literally is none. This is as public a place as the town square. You walk around there, somebody snaps a photo of you, that’s not on them, lol.

I didn't post a person's private nude. I posted an avatar that was not a picture of its owner. That's what's confusing. Are we talking only about pictures of the poster themselves?

Anyway, my question in this thread is about questioning the actions of moderators.

 

[AG31]

There were people in that AV you reposted. Were they you? If not, how do you know they weren't the person whose AV it is?

They'd told me.

And if it's not them, then you're making it even worse because you're admitting you know that you're posting nude pictures of people to a public forum without their knowledge

Jeezz. How do any nudes get posted anywhere?

I genuinely cannot believe you are arguing from a position of good faith here...

Well, I am.

 

[Saltfountain]

They'd told me.

Did the people in the picture give you consent for you to post their genitals on the internet? If not, that's a crime you've just admitted to in a lot of countries, including, I believe, the USA

Jeezz. How do any nudes get posted anywhere?

Well, most responsible posters post images of themselves or have the consent of the subject to post.

All others are in breach of the rules, avd seeing as the rules are being so widely flouted, maybe we see why they're having a no nudity policy to protect themselves fro legal action?

Well, I am.

Then you should learn the etiquette of what to do and not do with people's images on an adult site

 

[AG31]

Well, mods can only delete I forums they moderate.

And the forum it was posted on has no mod.

I'm not exactly sure which thread you're talking about, but I'm only aware of critiqueing JaF0, who moderates Fetish & Sexuality Central.

Thanks, @OverconfidentSarcasm, for your cogent thoughts re this current thread.

 

[Saltfountain]

I'm not exactly sure which thread you're talking about, but I'm only aware of critiqueing JaF0, who moderates Fetish & Sexuality Central.

Thanks, @OverconfidentSarcasm, for your cogent thoughts re this current thread.

You know full well where you had a picture deleted

 

[Baztrachian]

I need to check this out, given the (what seems to me) new environment around here. I've been alerted to rules I didn't know existed, and still am not sure really do exist.

This is a privately hosted site and forum. You and I are guests here.

The rules are guidelines for us to follow or not.

Our hosts and their delegated admins and moderators are doing what they think is right and we as guests should heed their guidance or leave or accept the inevitable ban.

This is a universal thing on any site.

 

[Saltfountain]

This is a privately hosted site and forum. You and I are guests here.

The rules are guidelines for us to follow or not.

Our hosts and their delegated admins and moderators are doing what they think is right and we as guests should heed their guidance or leave or accept the inevitable ban.

This is a universal thing on any site.

Also, the mods can't ban you @AG31 ,only the site owners Laurel and Manu can do that.

But the mods know what kind of actions often lead to bans. So if a mod (whether you like them or not) is telling you you're going the right way to get yourself banned, then a wise person would listen.

As to JaF0's opinions, as long as they don't breach the rules then there's no issue. You can agree with his views or disagree with them. But he has a right to freedom of speech that the site owners strongly protect.

You, however, do not have the right to post pictures of people that are not you unless you have their consent

 

[mirafrida]

Boy what a thread. We are, at the end of the day, talking about an image someone chose as their public avatar on Literotica. That's not to say that it should be have been reposted here - but the amount of animus and bad faith that people are assuming was involved in that act of reposting it seems awfully overheated.

The new rule on LitE seems clear enough. But, like, let's also be real about the fact that if one ever looks at porn, then one is practically always looking at nude images for which one lacks personal, individualized assurance that the person depicted is ok with them viewing that image. We use context to try to determine if it is legitimately porn, and rely on (admittedly fallable) systems of laws and site policies to try to help make that determination possible. So the context in this case (i.e., in this case that it was a public Literotica avatar at a time when policies have been in flux) does not seem entirely irrelevant to assessing motivations and potential harms.

 

[ToPleaseHim]

Yet, still, posting that image violates Literotica’s forum photo posting rules.

 

[Saltfountain]

So the context in this case (i.e., in this case that it was a public Literotica avatar at a time when policies have been in flux) does not seem entirely irrelevant to assessing motivations and potential harms.

The rule about posting pictures that you have neither consent of the subject or copyright of the image is a long standing one.

The etiquette of not posting nude pictures whether or not they have been posted by others previously is also a long standing position.

The fact that when the OP was told it was a direct rule breach and massively bad form they didn't apologise and delete it but doubled down (and are still doubling down) shows that they hold no regard for anyone else's rights and freedoms on this site only their own.

I would imagine they'd be screaming from the rooftops if they were doxxed (and rightly so)