Feedback on new policy announcement.

[AngelicaS1780]

@AngelicaS1780, in copyright law for written work there is a "fair use" thing that allows people to discuss this work by quoting small bits without permission. Is there not a similar exception to allow people to discuss art works that are under copyright by including small screen shots of the work in question?

All I know is what I posted below. I haven’t researched any further. I would guess not. I would assume that posting it here would constitute using it.

An excerpt from an Omni Legal Group blog written by Omid Khalifeh…

For more contemporary works, the situation is different. An artwork created today is automatically protected by copyright as soon as it is created, and the copyright lasts for the life of the artist plus an additional 70 years. So, if you were to take a photo of a modern painting or create a digital reproduction, you would need to get permission from the artist or their estate to use or distribute it legally.“

 

[AngelicaS1780]

Ironic twist: protesting images being pulled down by reporting images to try to get other images pulled down. Interesting strategy if one’s stance is that images shouldn’t be removed.

Are you saying that someone who wants to continue to post within the current Lit rules shouldn’t report photos that violate the current Lit rules? Is it not possible to believe both those ideas at the same time?

 

[ToPleaseHim]

"interesting" indeed.

There are images that I feel should be pulled down.
Plagiarized (no the fair use posting, but the non-credited / misleading sort)
AI, not identified as such.
Violent/sadistic imagery...

100% agree with these as well as bestiality and underage. I would NEVER criticize anyone for reporting content that violates any of these completely understandable rules.

That’s not the case on the reports I am referencing. These are petty reports.

 

[Lotus_Kitty]

"interesting" indeed.

There are images that I feel should be pulled down.
Plagiarized (no the fair use posting, but the non-credited / misleading sort)
AI, not identified as such.
Violent/sadistic imagery...

Exactly. And underage

None of us were demanding anything goes for images.

We would like to stick with the previous rules. The “solution” the site owners came up with won’t stop the rule breakers. It will just punish those who were already following rules.

If moderating nude images in GB is the issues, why not ban nude images in GB? If the rule breakers migrate to Visual Art or AmPics, users there would be glad to assist in banhammering them, I’m sure.

Does Lit use account bans or IP bans? Could move to IP bans if not used already. I know there’s ways around those too but it could reduce mod workload.

I for one am grateful to be on a moderated site. I want to work with the mods to keep Lit a safe, respectful, welcoming site.

Manu and Laurel claim there’s lots of visual sites. None like Lit. Many others are unmoderated toxic cesspools.

I counter that there’s already a lovely text only site for those who want text only. Archive of Our Own or AO3. If Lit wanted to be text only, they shouldn’t have allowed any pics. Now there’s flourishing visual media creative communities here and I’m watching them be damaged as artists take down their works and leave. It’s a loss to Lit users. It’s painful for users who did nothing wrong.

 

[ToPleaseHim]

Are you saying that someone who wants to continue to post within the current Lit rules shouldn’t report photos that violate the current Lit rules? Is it not possible to believe both those ideas?

I would never suggest that.

Granted, if we enforced the rules to the letter, we would remove over 90% of the picture threads right now. The reports I’m vaguely referencing are just nudity, not egregious, graphic sexual content, underage, bestiality or anything of the sort. They are embedded links to nude images. I don’t believe they belong to the person who posted them, but again, if Laurel wants us to remove all of the linked images (embedded or not) that don’t belong to the person posting, we will wipe out a lot of threads. I’ll wait for instructions on that.

 

[Lotus_Kitty]

Does this affect Susan2002 who keeps posting pics of t-girls jerking off?

Why bring transwomen specifically into this? Dick photos are already forbidden regardless of who owns the dick.

And if it’s non-photographic art in the Visual Art forum, I welcome representation of all sexually joyful adults. If transwomen aren’t someone’s jam, don’t linger on those pics.

If Susan2002 is breaking site rules, can remove, ban, whatever without calling out transwomen. They deal with more than enough grief.

 

[ToPleaseHim]

Does this affect Susan2002 who keeps posting pics of t-girls jerking off?

I remove images from that thread when they are attached to the server. Linked and embedded images and gifs, I handle them like all other linked images and gifs. If they specifically offend you, I’d recommend staying out of the thread or putting Susan2002 on your ignore list. Easy peasy.

 

[Cfnmlover84]

Was it links you have to click to view? Or did they auto display the videos?

Just trying to figure out what, if anything, will be left for us? Sure would be nice if those making policy could actually tell us what is and isn’t allowed anymore.

I was posting links which apparently isn't even allowed here anymore.

 

[Saltfountain]

Actually, I'm happy to supply a sounding board for @Ruby4Cox's distress and confusion. She hasn't lost any of my good will.

I'm sure you are

You were also happy to break most of the existing rules on here, and tenets of basic decency on adult sites in order to try to prove a point

 

[BigBallsCanuck]

As a VERY VISUAL person who is a photogrpaher/videographer AND a Writer, I will leave Lit if there are no nude photos allowed! but I doubt my feedback will be even seen or taken into account since rules change here constantly without regard for user's wishes it seems.

 

[Celand]

As a VERY VISUAL person who is a photogrpaher/videographer AND a Writer, I will leave Lit if there are no nude photos allowed! but I doubt my feedback will be even seen or taken into account since rules change here constantly without regard for user's wishes it seems.

I agree with you....

 

[Celand]

Ah, nothing like trying to prove a point by posting images that are subject to copyright protection. Unless, of course, @Celand and @nice90sguy went to the Museums where the paintings are held and took the photographs yourselves?

I did not know that Raphael still holds a copyright for almost 500 years Also, everything I post I either have a right to or is in public domain (as the museum pieces you are referring to).

Here is a link and a quote from The national Gallery

https://www.nga.gov/artworks/free-images-and-open-access

We release this data under a Creative Commons 0 (CC0) license. This means that you can download the full dataset free of charge, and without seeking our permission.

.... so, please educate yourself before you criticise anyone !

... or maybe report this NG painting for 1907 as breaching nudity rule

1896
Karel Vitezslav Masek
Artist, Czech, 1865 - 1927

https://api.nga.gov/iiif/c3d2ab36-2aae-4914-8ce0-bf556de86b11/full/950,/0/default.jpg

 

[ToPleaseHim]

I did not know that Raphael still holds a copyright for almost 500 years Also, everything I post I either have a right to or is in public domain (as the museum pieces you are referring to).

Here is a link and a quote from The national Gallery

https://www.nga.gov/artworks/free-images-and-open-access



.... so, please educate yourself before you criticise anyone !

... or maybe report this NG painting for 1907 as breaching nudity rule

1896
Karel Vitezslav Masek
Artist, Czech, 1865 - 1927

https://api.nga.gov/iiif/c3d2ab36-2aae-4914-8ce0-bf556de86b11/full/950,/0/default.jpg

Where did I say Rafael held the copyright?

Photographs and digital images of classic paintings, even when in the public domain, are still subject to the copyright of the photographer. It would be wise to post that release alongside the images you are opting to post. It’s not an admin or moderator responsibility here to verify that on your behalf. Further, the site rules do say to only post photographs that you explicitly hold the copyright to. That’s a big part of the problem at large here with the tumblr style image threads.

 

[SpermFactory]

Why fix it when it ain’t broke? Leave the nudes as is. This decision will only benefit your competitors. What a shame.

 

[ToPleaseHim]

Why fix it when it ain’t broke? Leave the nudes as is. This decision will only benefit your competitors. What a shame.

Explain how this will benefit Lit’s competitors.

I don’t believe the forum brings revenue to the site, just cost.

 

[29wordsforsnow]

Out of curiosity, as an artist with works in progress and a potentially big black pen, where does nudity start and end for Literotica? Is there any clear definition of what will be allowed, what won't?

 

[THROBBS]

Out of curiosity, as an artist with works in progress and a potentially big black pen, where does nudity start and end for Literotica? Is there any clear definition of what will be allowed, what won't?

ONE of the many questions to be answered.

 

[Llehlla]

Out of curiosity, as an artist with works in progress and a potentially big black pen, where does nudity start and end for Literotica? Is there any clear definition of what will be allowed, what won't?

What century is it? And why won’t they just lay out the new rules clearly? And why are they stringing us along? And….

 

[Beholders_Eye]

Out of curiosity, as an artist with works in progress and a potentially big black pen, where does nudity start and end for Literotica? Is there any clear definition of what will be allowed, what won't?

Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_it_when_I_see_it

 

[butters]

Perhaps: if a whole lot of posters had abided by the posting rules that existed, this might never have become an issue. Instead too many either posted without educating themselves on the posting rules or, being aware of them, posted in defiance just to flout and push boundaries.

It is a misconception to imagine that the majority of visitors to this site are content providers in some fashion—you can be sure thousands log in just to read or look at the stories and pictures. You can also be sure that, in this current political/'christianity-shoving' climate, some of the worst offenders for that are also some who shout most loudly in public about banning all porn from the internet. Just the other day some republican (senator or representative, I can't recall) was actually caught viewing porn on his phone during a session!

Some of the most prolific posters of porn images here are also hardcore trump supporters and maybe those who are viewing the images are in some of the most repressed environments and have clear concerns about 'being caught' and, as such, might take it upon themselves to be complaining to management about that whole 'over the shoulder' thing. Not great when you're in church or hosting a kid's scout camp, is it? As for those saying that, as adults, people should be making better choices? I can only agree, but facts show that people make a ton of bad choices and then blame others for them.

Agreed. First of all, it’s a site called Literotica. Right from the get-go people know where they are.
So, the powers-that-be have decided instead of letting people express themselves visually, it’s a punishable offense.
If this change is to pander to those people who are too unintelligent or impatient and complain about people reading or seeing over their shoulders because they are scrolling where anyone could walk up and see, that’s bullshit.
If people are complaining about scrolling through and seeing unwanted “nudity” or, separately, content that’s inappropriate for a particular thread, that’s what the “Ignore” button is for.
Or just have a bit of emotional control and keep scrolling.

But why do you expect this to happen now? What changed? Nude/explicit images have been allowed on Lit for years and years, and there have been no problems as far as we know. Was there some radical change in legislation?

I agree. We both know I tend to cut the Site a lot more slack than you do, but this cannot be maintained with a straight face. It's clear from the reaction in this forum that many, if not most, authors oppose this change, and unless I've had a huge memory lapse we were never consulted, and the general Lit readership was never polled, so there is no empirically sound way the Site can say that the "feedback" on this change is net positive. If they're getting pressure from hosts and providers, or they fear such pressure in the future, that's a whole different thing, but that's not what Manu said they were concerned about, so we're speculating about that.

 

[Llehlla]

I wish there was a thread that Lit viewers/readers could access easily which would invite them to give their feedback. A big, bold new category on the front page asking our real followers what they would prefer….an all writing site, one with writing and images with people in some stage of dress ( this would be clearly defined for them, since we are getting any answers), or a site like it was before this bomb got dropped last Friday. Are we a closed community, meant only to entertain (and criticize) each other, or are we creating for a larger audience. I hope the answer is the latter.
Let’s get away from the two years of BETA readers who decided they much prefer no nudity and ask the regular folks who come to Lit because they know what they can find if they agree with this sudden cleansing. They are the “customers,” afterall.

 

[Lotus_Kitty]

I wish there was a thread that Lit viewers/readers could access easily which would invite them to give their feedback. A big, bold new category on the front page asking our real followers what they would prefer….an all writing site, one with writing and images with people in some stage of dress ( this would be clearly defined for them, since we are getting any answers), or a site like it was before this bomb got dropped last Friday. Are we a closed community, meant only to entertain (and criticize) each other, or are we creating for a larger audience. I hope the answer is the latter.
Let’s get away from the two years of BETA readers who decided they much prefer no nudity and ask the regular folks who come to Lit because they know what they can find if they agree with this sudden cleansing. They are the “customers,” afterall.

I doubt the owners will post a poll. Maybe you could.

Just keep in mind the banner ads that make money for the site only appear over stories.

 

[Cfnmlover84]

https://forum.literotica.com/threads/mature-dressed-and-sexy-women-2.1535949/post-95471648
https://forum.literotica.com/threads/mature-dressed-and-sexy-women-2.1535949/post-95349962
https://forum.literotica.com/threads/mature-dressed-and-sexy-women-2.1535949/post-95350072

The links to the posts pictured above.

Sadly it looks like the whole Mature dressed and sexy women thread is now gone.

 

[AG31]

Sadly it looks like the whole Mature dressed and sexy women thread is now gone.

What forum was it in? Just curious.

 

[Cfnmlover84]

What forum was it in? Just curious.

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