Does anyone here really believe there are any racial differences?

[Politruk]

And here you go. Well first IQ isn't a measure of intelligence

So what is?

 

[YDB95]

Then what is it?

A condemnation of the mindset that Black = dangerous thug, which is so pervasive even other Black men like himself sometimes fall for it.

 

[JohnEngelman]

YDB95: A condemnation of the mindset that Black = dangerous thug, which is so pervasive even other Black men like himself sometimes fall for it.

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The per-capita offending rate for African-Americans was roughly eight times higher than that of whites,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#:~:text=Overall, black (49%) and,(50% and 51%).

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The Color of Crime

• There are dramatic race differences in crime rates. Asians have the lowest rates, followed by whites, and then Hispanics. Blacks have notably high crime rates. This pattern holds true for virtually all crime categories and for virtually all age groups.
• In 2013, a black was six times more likely than a nonblack to commit murder, and 12 times more likely to murder someone of another race than to be murdered by someone of another race.
• 
  
• https://www.amren.com/the-color-of-crime/

 

[Politruk]

YDB95: A condemnation of the mindset that Black = dangerous thug, which is so pervasive even other Black men like himself sometimes fall for it.

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The per-capita offending rate for African-Americans was roughly eight times higher than that of whites,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#:~:text=Overall, black (49%) and,(50% and 51%).

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The Color of Crime

• There are dramatic race differences in crime rates. Asians have the lowest rates, followed by whites, and then Hispanics. Blacks have notably high crime rates. This pattern holds true for virtually all crime categories and for virtually all age groups.
• In 2013, a black was six times more likely than a nonblack to commit murder, and 12 times more likely to murder someone of another race than to be murdered by someone of another race.
• 
  
• https://www.amren.com/the-color-of-crime/

That's American Renaissance, you idiot!

American Renaissance (shortened to AmRen) is an online white nationalist magazine, among the most popular and famous in the alt-right. It was started in 1990 by Jared Taylor, who is still its editor. Its content consists mainly of either aggregator-style reposts of race-related articles on other websites or original content promoting such well-worn bogus white nationalist concepts as "race realism",[1] Asian Americans as the "model minority",[2] and misrepresenting affirmative action as "reverse racism".[3] Good old-fashioned xenophobia is also a favorite.[4]

 

[JohnEngelman]

That's American Renaissance, you idiot!

American Renaissance (shortened to AmRen) is an online white nationalist magazine, among the most popular and famous in the alt-right. It was started in 1990 by Jared Taylor, who is still its editor. Its content consists mainly of either aggregator-style reposts of race-related articles on other websites or original content promoting such well-worn bogus white nationalist concepts as "race realism",[1] Asian Americans as the "model minority",[2] and misrepresenting affirmative action as "reverse racism".[3] Good old-fashioned xenophobia is also a favorite.[4]

The Color of Crime was well researched. It points out that Asians have lower crime rates than whites, so it cannot be dismissed as white nationalist. I combined it with a quote from Wikipedia pointing out the same fact. I do not think Jesse Jackson is imagining what he says here:

 

[DraggonStone]

Humanity has many shades of gray

 

[Politruk]

Humanity has many shades of gray

No, we don't. The Grays aren't even from this planet.

 

[YDB95]

"But I don't hate Asians" is not the get-out-of-jail-free card you think it is.

 

[JohnEngelman]

"But I don't hate Asians" is not the get-out-of-jail-free card you think it is.

"But I don't hate Asians" is not the get-out-of-jail-free card you think it is.

Why not? I evaluate a demographic by the average characteristics of that demographic. When we consider average intelligence, and rates of crime and illegitimacy East Asians deserve to be called "the model minority."

Jews compare well too.

 

[YDB95]

When we consider average intelligence, and rates of crime and illegitimacy East Asians deserve to be called "the model minority."

You seem to think they enjoy being called that. They don't. It's a slur. Positive stereotypes can be nearly as harmful as negative ones.

 

[JohnEngelman]

You seem to think they enjoy being called that. They don't. It's a slur. Positive stereotypes can be nearly as harmful as negative ones.

I do not see how a high opinion of East Asians can be harmful to them. I also have a high opinion of Jews.

 

[YDB95]

I do not see how a high opinion of East Asians can be harmful to them.

You might try asking a few of them. (I mean about you calling them "the model minority," not about your having a high opinion of them, although having a high opinion of anyone based only on the color of their skin is problematic too.) Not to mention that having a high opinion of a group and calling them a name are two different things.

 

[JohnEngelman]

You might try asking a few of them. (I mean about you calling them "the model minority," not about your having a high opinion of them, although having a high opinion of anyone based only on the color of their skin is problematic too.) Not to mention that having a high opinion of a group and calling them a name are two different things.

When I told my Vietnamese girl friend, "I prefer Oriental women."

She did not get angry at me. She smiled and said, "You think we are much more wonderful."

My two best friends in high school were Chinese Americans. They introduced me to the Chinatown in the city we lived near to. I told them I preferred Orientals too. They did not complain. They understood. Orientals tend to be more intelligent than whites. They have lower rates of crime and illegitimacy. Jews tend to be even more intelligent than Orientals. I have not found data on their rates of crime and illegitimacy. I suspect it is lower than it is for white Gentiles.

I expect China to achieve world hegemony by the end of this century, if not sooner. I hope that by then the mainland has adopted a democratic government. The success of democracy in Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea assures me that democracy would work well on the mainland of China. The United States will be dominated by a high IQ cognitive elite composed largely of Jews and East Asians.

 

[Politruk]

I am familiar with a theory that Asians have a different "reproductive strategy" than other races -- that they are more intelligent and "less fecund." (Which seems to have something to do with smaller penises.) But if they are less fecund, why are there so many of them? In such large families (at least before the "one child" policy)?

 

[YDB95]

When I told my Vietnamese girl friend, "I prefer Oriental women."

She did not get angry at me. She smiled and said, "You think we are much more wonderful."

If she used those exact words, it's a pretty clear sign that she was less than fluent in English, which probably means she hadn't been in the USA too long. So she probably didn't really appreciate the inappropriateness of your comment. Besides, what you said here is not the same as calling them "the model minority", which is what I was referring to in the first place. You keep referring to other positive things you've had to say about Asians as if it's all the same, and it isn't.

My two best friends in high school were Chinese Americans. They introduced me to the Chinatown in the city we lived near to. I told them I preferred Orientals too. They did not complain. They understood.

Perhaps. Or perhaps they were simply gobsmacked that you would say such a thing and didn't really know how to respond to it. That happens to a lot of us with a lot of the ostensibly positive things you say here, too.

Orientals tend to be more intelligent than whites. They have lower rates of crime and illegitimacy. Jews tend to be even more intelligent than Orientals. I have not found data on their rates of crime and illegitimacy. I suspect it is lower than it is for white Gentiles.

Ah yes, I forgot how you believed single parenthood was somehow on a par with crime. But even setting that aside, remember most Asian cultures are more conservative than Americans in general about things like out-of-wedlock births, hence they're more likely to cover such things up. So the lower rate of what you call "illegitimacy" might be a reflection of why there used to be a much lower official rate of homosexuality in the US: because people are more likely to lie about it.

You're also conveniently ignoring the story behind how most Asian-Americans got to America in the first place. While there were Chinese immigrants going back to the mid-19th century, most of today's Asian Americans either immigrated as professionals or grad students in prestigious American universities, or they are descended from people who did. In other words, they're not a random sample, they're the best and the brightest. The same is not true of white, Black or Hispanic Americans. So it's kind of an apples-to-oranges comparison.

 

[Politruk]

I expect China to achieve world hegemony by the end of this century, if not sooner.

China Takes Over the World!

 

[JohnEngelman]

China Takes Over the World!

Hegemony is domination, not conquest.

 

[JohnEngelman]

You're also conveniently ignoring the story behind how most Asian-Americans got to America in the first place. While there were Chinese immigrants going back to the mid-19th century, most of today's Asian Americans either immigrated as professionals or grad students in prestigious American universities, or they are descended from people who did. In other words, they're not a random sample, they're the best and the brightest. The same is not true of white, Black or Hispanic Americans. So it's kind of an apples-to-oranges comparison.

Well, it seems to me that if there are two racial groups that can live side by side in harmony, it appears to be whites and Asians. (Of course he means Orientals.)

[East] Asians have faced fierce discrimination in America, but this has not stopped them from working hard and getting ahead.In fact, they have been so successful in "racist" America that whites have even begun to complain about Asian achievement.

Whether one looks at Japanese and Chinese, who have been in America for generations, or Koreans and Vietnamese, who have arrived more recently, Asians have been remarkably successful...

The achievements of more recent Asian immigrants have been well publicized. Everyone has heard of Vietnamese children who came to America unable to speak English and then, a few yearslater, graduated at the tops of their high-school classes...

Throughout this period of constant prejudice and persecution, Chinese worked hard, saved their money, and built better lives for themselves. By the time they had full, legal standing in this country, many Chinese had incomes comparable to those of native-born whites.

By 1969, Chinese as a group outearned Italian, German, and even Anglo-Saxon Americans.

During the 1960s, Chinatown was the part of San Francisco with the most unemployment and poverty, the highest rate of tuberculosis, the least education, and the most substandard housing. Nevertheless, in 1965, only five people of Chinese ancestry went to jail in the whole state of California.

- Jared Taylor, "Paved with Good Intentions"

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Wherever you look, Asians outperform whites academically and financially...

we have a considerably less than one standard deviation difference between Asian IQ — North Asian IQ — and white IQ. I think that, too, is a result of genetics, and I think that that is what explains the dominance of Asians in certain fields, and their lower rates of illegitimacy compared to whites, their lower crime rates, their better achievement in school, their higher average incomes...

I think Asians are objectively superior to whites by just about any measure that you can come up with in terms of what are the ingredients for a successful society.

- Jared Taylor Interview

 

[YDB95]

Jared Taylor is a recognized white supremacist (which you should have been able to tell from those quotes anyway). Which brings us full circle to your claim that your high opinion of Asians means you can't be a white supremacist. Oh yes you can.

 

[Politruk]

Well, it seems to me that if there are two racial groups that can live side by side in harmony, it appears to be whites and Asians. (Of course he means Orientals.)

[East] Asians have faced fierce discrimination in America, but this has not stopped them from working hard and getting ahead.In fact, they have been so successful in "racist" America that whites have even begun to complain about Asian achievement.

Whether one looks at Japanese and Chinese, who have been in America for generations, or Koreans and Vietnamese, who have arrived more recently, Asians have been remarkably successful...

The achievements of more recent Asian immigrants have been well publicized. Everyone has heard of Vietnamese children who came to America unable to speak English and then, a few yearslater, graduated at the tops of their high-school classes...

Throughout this period of constant prejudice and persecution, Chinese worked hard, saved their money, and built better lives for themselves. By the time they had full, legal standing in this country, many Chinese had incomes comparable to those of native-born whites.

By 1969, Chinese as a group outearned Italian, German, and even Anglo-Saxon Americans.

During the 1960s, Chinatown was the part of San Francisco with the most unemployment and poverty, the highest rate of tuberculosis, the least education, and the most substandard housing. Nevertheless, in 1965, only five people of Chinese ancestry went to jail in the whole state of California.

- Jared Taylor, "Paved with Good Intentions"

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Wherever you look, Asians outperform whites academically and financially...

we have a considerably less than one standard deviation difference between Asian IQ — North Asian IQ — and white IQ. I think that, too, is a result of genetics, and I think that that is what explains the dominance of Asians in certain fields, and their lower rates of illegitimacy compared to whites, their lower crime rates, their better achievement in school, their higher average incomes...

I think Asians are objectively superior to whites by just about any measure that you can come up with in terms of what are the ingredients for a successful society.

- Jared Taylor Interview

That's Jared Taylor, you idiot! You might as well cite David Duke!


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[TD]Blacks and whites are different. When blacks are left entirely to their own devices, Western civilization — any kind of civilization — disappears.[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]—Jared Taylor, racist extraordinaire.[1][/TD]
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Samuel Jared Taylor (1951–) is a Japanese-born American white supremacist and alt-right leader and pseudo-intellectual (but we repeat ourselves) responsible for founding the white nationalist magazine American Renaissance. He has been involved with the racist political far-right from at least 1990 onward and as such he's been called the 'Intellectual Godfather' of the movement.[2]

Taylor's parents were Christian missionaries in Japan when he was born, and he attended only Japanese language schools during most of his youth.[3]:137 Taylor also gained fluency in French by the time he attended a master's degree program at the Paris Institute of Political Studies.[3]:137 Taylor's fluency in Japanese made him well-placed when he wrote the well-regarded book explaining Japanese culture, Shadows of the Rising Sun,[4] at a time of Japanese economic ascendancy.[3]:141

Following the success of his first book, Taylor published the book Paved with Good Intentions in 1992,[5] which presented itself as a socially conservative/traditional values perspective.[3]:144 Following that book, he published White Identity in 2012,[6] which was overtly race realist,[3]:144 and published with PRAAG, a racist Afrikaner publisher.[7] When asked why Paved with Good Intentions did not discuss IQ but White Identity did, Taylor gave a bait-and-switch explanation, "…it probably would have been impossible to get the book published if it had made a point of trying to explain these racial differences in terms of inherent abilities. It’s still very much a radioactive subject and was probably, if anything, even more radioactive then than it is now."[8]

Taylor could be considered something of a wannabe call-back to old-timey imperialists, being a very 'refined' racist,[1] having a B.A. in philosophy and Master's degree in international economics (read: not biology, psychology or history). His primary policy goal is a return to "pre-1965" standards for allowing immigrants into the country so that "European people" and their descendants are a larger percentage of the US population, more white power organizations, and for explicit white supremacy to return to being one of the dominant ideologies in the US. To accomplish this he claims he needs to raise "consciousness" among white people. Taylor opposes the Civil Rights Act as well as any legislation that restricts individuals or private organizations from engaging in discrimination.[3]:145-146

Despite rejecting the idea that Donald Trump is an actual member of the alt-right, he's still unsurprisingly a Trump supporter, going so far as to make robocalls to Iowa citizens urging them to vote for Trump, mostly due to their agreement on immigration issues.[9]

 

[JohnEngelman]

That's Jared Taylor, you idiot! You might as well cite David Duke!

Jared Taylor banned me twice from his website for praising Jews and Orientals, but we are still on good terms.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Jared Taylor is a recognized white supremacist (which you should have been able to tell from those quotes anyway). Which brings us full circle to your claim that your high opinion of Asians means you can't be a white supremacist. Oh yes you can.

I am more of a yellow supremacist.

 

[JohnEngelman]

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[JohnEngelman]

 

[JohnEngelman]

If she used those exact words, it's a pretty clear sign that she was less than fluent in English, which probably means she hadn't been in the USA too long. So she probably didn't really appreciate the inappropriateness of your comment.

What was inappropriate about my comment?

I learned that Orientals existed when I was six or seven years old. I was watching a television documentary about Japanese school children. I thought, "Some white girls are pretty. Some are not. All Japanese girls are pretty." I soon learned that Chinese girls looked just as good.