Does anyone here really believe there are any racial differences?

[JohnEngelman]

BBC News

Two genes linked with violent crime, 28 October 2014​

By Melissa Hogenboom
Science reporter, BBC News

A genetic analysis of almost 900 offenders in Finland has revealed two genes associated with violent crime.
Those with the genes were 13 times more likely to have a history of repeated violent behaviour.
The authors of the study, published in the journal Molecular Psychiatry, external, said at least 5-10% of all violent crime in Finland could be attributed to individuals with these genotypes.
But they stressed the genes could not be used to screen criminals.
Many more genes may be involved in violent behaviour and environmental factors are also known to have a fundamental role.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-29760212

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The science of genetic criminology is in its infancy. Many want to smother the infant in its crib. I am confident that as time goes on more crime genes will be discovered.

 

[Politruk]

BBC News

Two genes linked with violent crime, 28 October 2014​

By Melissa Hogenboom
Science reporter, BBC News

A genetic analysis of almost 900 offenders in Finland has revealed two genes associated with violent crime.
Those with the genes were 13 times more likely to have a history of repeated violent behaviour.
The authors of the study, published in the journal Molecular Psychiatry, external, said at least 5-10% of all violent crime in Finland could be attributed to individuals with these genotypes.
But they stressed the genes could not be used to screen criminals.
Many more genes may be involved in violent behaviour and environmental factors are also known to have a fundamental role.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-29760212

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Nothing in that says those two genes are more likely to be found in any "racial" group than in the others.

The science of genetic criminology is in its infancy. Many want to smother the infant in its crib.

Because it has such an ugly and stupid history. See the pseudoscientific criminological theories of Cesare Lombroso.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Nothing in that says those two genes are more likely to be found in any "racial" group than in the others.

Evidence exists.

 

[Politruk]

Evidence exists.

What evidence, and what does it indicate?

 

[JohnEngelman]

What evidence, and what does it indicate?

I have been trying to avoid this topic because I do not like for my fact based arguments to be countered with insults, name calling, and obscene words. Fuzzy1975 even threatened me with violence.

The use of the term "Warrior Gene" is somewhat misleading, because everyone has that gene. Most variations are harmless. Two are dangerous. One of these was discovered in a white family. Once the gene was discovered, it was also discovered that only 0.1% of white men have the dangerous variations. 5% of black men have it. Those black men were much more likely than other black men to be arrested and imprisoned. I got this information from page 56 of A Troublesome Inheritance: Genes, Race, and Human History.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Because it has such an ugly and stupid history.

Crime is ugly. Suppressing the truth is ugly. I look forward to additional findings from human genetics. Do you?

At this point it is generally acknowledged that criminal behavior and intelligence are influenced by genes. The only question is to what extent are other factors important too. So far, the scientific evidence indicates that criminal behavior is more responsive to environmental changes than intelligence. One of those environmental factors is the likelihood and severity of punishment. As the prison population increased the crime rate decreased. There is no evidence that social reform and social welfare spending have ever reduced the crime rate.

 

[Noor]

I get keloids and am more likely to get certain genetic disorders, but other Than the above and some genetic diseases possibilities like sickle cell and tay Sachs, I dont believe so.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

I have been trying to avoid this topic because I do not like for my fact based arguments to be countered with insults, name calling, and obscene words. Fuzzy1975 even threatened me with violence.

Not once did I threaten you. What I wrote and it still holds is; "the world will better off when you're dead".

That is a statement you fucking racist piece of shit, not a threat. So fuck off and die.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Not once did I threaten you. What I wrote and it still holds is; "the world will better off when you're dead".

That is a statement you fucking racist piece of shit, not a threat. So fuck off and die.

You can't kill the truth. You know that what I say is true.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

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You can't kill the truth. You know that what I say is true.

Bullshit, we went through this before, you're a worthless piece of shit. fuck off and die.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Bullshit, we went through this before, you're a worthless piece of shit. fuck off and die.

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• Fuzzy1975, you wish you could prove me mistaken, don't you?

 

[Fuzzy1975]

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Where have I threatened you. "Fuck off and die" isn't an implied threat, directly or indirectly. It's a statement

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• Fuzzy1975, you wish you could prove me mistaken, don't you?

I just proved you wrong, again....dumbfuck....*chuckles* If you was only as smart as those black folks you degenerate so often.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Saying "Fuck off and die," is implied threat. Negroes have mugged me, robbed me at gunpoint, and nearly murdered me, so you are not as scary as you may think.

By the way, no white person, no East Asian, and no Hispanic has ever committed a crime against me.

East Asians have a lower crime rate than whites, even when they are poor. Hispanics have a slightly higher crime rate than whites, African Americans have a much higher crime rate than whites.

Once when I told a black friend that I had been mugged recently, he asked, "Were they black?"

When I said they were, he said, "A [derogatory N word] will kill you for ten dollars. When I walk down the street if I see [derogatory N word] up the street, I cross the street."

 

[Politruk]

Negroes

Who uses that word any more?! You'll be talking of darkies next!

 

[YDB95]

Once when I told a black friend that I had been mugged recently, he asked, "Were they black?"

When I said they were, he said, "A [derogatory N word] will kill you for ten dollars. When I walk down the street if I see [derogatory N word] up the street, I cross the street."

That story does not really make the point you obviously think it does.

 

[JohnEngelman]

That story does not really make the point you obviously think it does.

 

[JohnEngelman]

I mean hereditary, not cultural, psychological differences between races a traditionally defined. E.g., there used to be a belief so widespread among Americans whites (and blacks too, I shouldn't wonder, since they never heard a word in contradiction) that it needed no defending, it seemed obvious common sense, that blacks are mentally inferior to whites -- and morally inferior too; that is, too primitive and bestial for moral self-control. Does anyone here still believe that?

Judaism and Evolution​

Ashkenazi Jews, who make up 80 percent of the Jews in the world today, have, on average, the highest IQs of any ethnic group in the world. While Asians are often touted as the smartest people in the world, Ashkenazi Jews as a group average 115 on an IQ test—eight points higher than Asians and dramatically higher than the world average of 79.1. Ashkenazin skills in verbal reasoning, comprehension, working memory, and mathematics are simply astounding—the group averages 125 on an IQ test of verbal reasoning. Since 1950, 29 percent of Nobel Prizes have been awarded to Ashkenazi Jews, who represent a mere 0.25 percent of the global population.

https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1057/9781137414816_13#:~:text=While Asians are often touted,the world average of 79.1.

I am not Jewish, by the way. I admire Jews because of their high average intelligence. I think it is hereditary.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Saying "Fuck off and die," is implied threat.

How? I've not asked anyone to harm you, nor have I claimed I would or want to harm you.
We all die John, no one escapes the grim reaper, I'm just saying when you kick off, the world will be a better place.

Negroes have mugged me, robbed me at gunpoint, and nearly murdered me, so you are not as scary as you may think.

lol, point to the doll and show me where the black man touched you....

 

[JohnEngelman]

The Atlantic, September 1971

IQ, by Professor Richard Herrnstein, of Harvard



Blacks lagged behind whites in scholastic achievement at every grade level from first to twelfth, and the differences increased with age. Ordinarily, one might blame the general inferiority of segregated black schools for that difference, but the Coleman study sought without success any clear effect of school quality on scholastic achievement for white children. If schools themselves deserve the blame for the poorer performance of blacks, then why shouldn’t the whites be similarly affected? The answer seemed to be that there was some other difference between the white and black children besides their schools…

But the third and most controversial document—Berkeley professor Arthur R. Jensen’s article published in the Harvard Educational Review in the winter of 1969—faced head-on the possibility that blacks and whites differ in inherited intelligence…

It is only lately in America that public discussion requires physical, not to mention intellectual, courage, for the subject is close to taboo. But The Atlantic believes that it is not only possible but necessary to have public discussion of important, albeit painful, social issues.

— The Editors

[T]here is a powerful trend toward “meritocracy”—the advancement of people on the basis of ability, either potential or fulfilled, measured objectively…

It is almost impossible for people to disagree about the pros and cons of in telligence testing and long avoid the swapping of oaths and anathema. Yet should not the pros and cons be drawn from facts and reason rather than labels and insults?...

The measurement of intelligence is psychology’s most telling accomplishment to date…

there has already been too much success for it to be repudiated on technical grounds alone…

Galton noted, first, that men varied greatly in their intellectual capacity and, second, that various kinds of excellence run in families, suggesting that the basis of intelligence may be inherited…

It took the work of a French psychologist named Alfred Binet to make intelligence testing practical…

whatever intelligence is, it varies from person to person…

Thurstone noted some intercorrelations among the Primary Mental Abilities. People who excelled, for example, in verbal comprehension were often high in word fluency. Other constellations also kept turning up…

children with low I.Q.’s almost always do poorly in school, while children with high I.Q.’s cover the range from excellent down to poor...

the upper class scores about thirty I.Q. points above the lower class…

there is no basis for assuming that no poor people have high I.Q.’s…

Only about 10 percent of our people meet the criteria for the upper and upper-middle classes,,,

When people are asked to rate the prestige of different occupations, they turn up with lists that look very much like the lists based on average I.Q.’s…

it is probably no mere coincidence that those values often put the bright people in the prestigious jobs. By doing so, society expresses its recognition, however imprecise, of the importance and scarcity of intellectual ability…

Terman and his staff found slightly more than 1500 California children whose I.Q.'s averaged about 150…

The sample contained an excess of Western and Northern Europeans and Jews, and a shortage of Latins, non-Jewish Eastern Europeans, and Negroes…

Finally, even in tests of “character”— honesty, tendency toward overstatement, trustworthiness, and the like—the gifted children showed their precocity. At nine or ten years, they had reached the “moral development,” by those no doubt quaint standards, of the average child of thirteen or fourteen…

Childhood delinquency, criminal convictions, and alcoholism are all strikingly rare in the sample…

The sample shows the economic advantages of a high I.Q., after discounting education, race, occupation, and geography…

The chief goal of compensatory education—to remedy the educational lag of disadvantaged children and thereby narrow the achievement gap between “minority” and “majority” pupils—has been utterly unrealized in any of the large compensatory education programs that have been evaluated so far…

Advocates of environment—the clear majority of those who express themselves publicly on the subject-must explain why I.Q.’s usually stay about the same during most people’s lives and also why high or low I.Q.’s tend to run in families…

In an article recently published in the periodical Behavior Genetics, Professor Jensen surveys four major studies of identical twins who were reared in separate homes. Most of the twins had been separated by the age of six months, and almost all by the age of two years. The twins were Caucasians, living in Eng land, Denmark, and the United States—all told, 122 pairs…

Being identical twins, the pairs shared identical genetic endowments, but their environments could have been as different as those of random pairs of children in the society at large. Nevertheless, their I.Q.'s correlated by about 85 percent which is more than usual between ordinary siblings…

The comparison between I.Q. and grades was one theme of Jensen’s controversial earlier article, “How Much Can We Boost I.Q. and Scholastic Achievement?’’, which appeared in the winter of 1969 in the Harvard Educational Review. Jensen answered the title's rhetorical question about I.Q. with a scholarly and circumspect form of “not very much."…

Jensen echoes most experts on the subject of the I.Q. by concluding that substantially more can be ascribed to inheritance than environment. Since the importance of inheritance seems to say some thing about racial differences in I.Q. that most well-disposed people do not want to hear, it has been argued that Jensen should not have written on the subject at all or that the Harvard Educational Review should not have, as it did, invited him to write on it…

Given the well-established, roughly fifteen-point black-white difference in I.Q…

the conclusion about intelligence is that, like other important though not necessarily vital traits, it is highly heritable…

As the environment becomes more favorable for the development of intelligence, its heritability will increase, as the preceding section showed. Regardless of whether this is done by improving educational methods, diet for pregnant women, or whatever, the more advantageous we make the circumstances of life, the more certainly will intellectual differences be inherited…

the growth of wealth will recruit for the upper classes precisely those from the lower classes who have the edge in native ability. Whatever else this accomplishes, it will also increase the I.Q. gap between upper and lower classes, making the social ladder even steeper for those left at the bottom. Technological advance changes the marketplace for I.Q. Even if every single job lost in automating a factory is replaced by a new job someplace else in a new technology, it is more than likely that some of those put out of the old jobs will not have the I.Q. for the new ones…

The syllogism and its corollaries point to a future in which social classes not only continue but become ever more solidly built on inborn differences. As the wealth and complexity of human society grow, there will be precipitated out of the mass of humanity a low-capacity (intellectual and otherwise) residue that may be unable to master the common occupations, cannot compete for success and achievement, and are most likely to be born to parents who have similarly failed…

The troubles he anticipated, and that the syllogism explains, have already caught the attention of alert social scientists, like Edward Banfield, whose book The Unheavenly City describes the increasingly chronic lower class in America’s central cities…

our society may be sorting itself willy-nilly into inherited castes. What is most troubling about this prospect is that the growth of a virtually hereditary meritocracy will arise out of the successful realization of contemporary political and social goals. The more we succeed in achieving relativeiy unimpeded social mobility, adequate wealth, the end of drudgery, and wholesome environment, the more forcefully does the syllogism apply…

The heritability of intelligence will grow as the conditions of life are made more uniformly wholesome; intelligence will play an increasingly important role in occupational success as the menial jobs are taken over by machines.


132646640.pdf

 

[Fuzzy1975]

The Atlantic, September 1971

IQ, by Professor Richard Herrnstein, of Harvard



Blacks lagged behind whites in scholastic achievement at every grade level from first to twelfth, and the differences increased with age. Ordinarily, one might blame the general inferiority of segregated black schools for that difference, but the Coleman study sought without success any clear effect of school quality on scholastic achievement for white children. If schools themselves deserve the blame for the poorer performance of blacks, then why shouldn’t the whites be similarly affected? The answer seemed to be that there was some other difference between the white and black children besides their schools…

But the third and most controversial document—Berkeley professor Arthur R. Jensen’s article published in the Harvard Educational Review in the winter of 1969—faced head-on the possibility that blacks and whites differ in inherited intelligence…

It is only lately in America that public discussion requires physical, not to mention intellectual, courage, for the subject is close to taboo. But The Atlantic believes that it is not only possible but necessary to have public discussion of important, albeit painful, social issues.

— The Editors

[T]here is a powerful trend toward “meritocracy”—the advancement of people on the basis of ability, either potential or fulfilled, measured objectively…

It is almost impossible for people to disagree about the pros and cons of in telligence testing and long avoid the swapping of oaths and anathema. Yet should not the pros and cons be drawn from facts and reason rather than labels and insults?...

The measurement of intelligence is psychology’s most telling accomplishment to date…

there has already been too much success for it to be repudiated on technical grounds alone…

Galton noted, first, that men varied greatly in their intellectual capacity and, second, that various kinds of excellence run in families, suggesting that the basis of intelligence may be inherited…

It took the work of a French psychologist named Alfred Binet to make intelligence testing practical…

whatever intelligence is, it varies from person to person…

Thurstone noted some intercorrelations among the Primary Mental Abilities. People who excelled, for example, in verbal comprehension were often high in word fluency. Other constellations also kept turning up…

children with low I.Q.’s almost always do poorly in school, while children with high I.Q.’s cover the range from excellent down to poor...

the upper class scores about thirty I.Q. points above the lower class…

there is no basis for assuming that no poor people have high I.Q.’s…

Only about 10 percent of our people meet the criteria for the upper and upper-middle classes,,,

When people are asked to rate the prestige of different occupations, they turn up with lists that look very much like the lists based on average I.Q.’s…

it is probably no mere coincidence that those values often put the bright people in the prestigious jobs. By doing so, society expresses its recognition, however imprecise, of the importance and scarcity of intellectual ability…

Terman and his staff found slightly more than 1500 California children whose I.Q.'s averaged about 150…

The sample contained an excess of Western and Northern Europeans and Jews, and a shortage of Latins, non-Jewish Eastern Europeans, and Negroes…

Finally, even in tests of “character”— honesty, tendency toward overstatement, trustworthiness, and the like—the gifted children showed their precocity. At nine or ten years, they had reached the “moral development,” by those no doubt quaint standards, of the average child of thirteen or fourteen…

Childhood delinquency, criminal convictions, and alcoholism are all strikingly rare in the sample…

The sample shows the economic advantages of a high I.Q., after discounting education, race, occupation, and geography…

The chief goal of compensatory education—to remedy the educational lag of disadvantaged children and thereby narrow the achievement gap between “minority” and “majority” pupils—has been utterly unrealized in any of the large compensatory education programs that have been evaluated so far…

Advocates of environment—the clear majority of those who express themselves publicly on the subject-must explain why I.Q.’s usually stay about the same during most people’s lives and also why high or low I.Q.’s tend to run in families…

In an article recently published in the periodical Behavior Genetics, Professor Jensen surveys four major studies of identical twins who were reared in separate homes. Most of the twins had been separated by the age of six months, and almost all by the age of two years. The twins were Caucasians, living in Eng land, Denmark, and the United States—all told, 122 pairs…

Being identical twins, the pairs shared identical genetic endowments, but their environments could have been as different as those of random pairs of children in the society at large. Nevertheless, their I.Q.'s correlated by about 85 percent which is more than usual between ordinary siblings…

The comparison between I.Q. and grades was one theme of Jensen’s controversial earlier article, “How Much Can We Boost I.Q. and Scholastic Achievement?’’, which appeared in the winter of 1969 in the Harvard Educational Review. Jensen answered the title's rhetorical question about I.Q. with a scholarly and circumspect form of “not very much."…

Jensen echoes most experts on the subject of the I.Q. by concluding that substantially more can be ascribed to inheritance than environment. Since the importance of inheritance seems to say some thing about racial differences in I.Q. that most well-disposed people do not want to hear, it has been argued that Jensen should not have written on the subject at all or that the Harvard Educational Review should not have, as it did, invited him to write on it…

Given the well-established, roughly fifteen-point black-white difference in I.Q…

the conclusion about intelligence is that, like other important though not necessarily vital traits, it is highly heritable…

As the environment becomes more favorable for the development of intelligence, its heritability will increase, as the preceding section showed. Regardless of whether this is done by improving educational methods, diet for pregnant women, or whatever, the more advantageous we make the circumstances of life, the more certainly will intellectual differences be inherited…

the growth of wealth will recruit for the upper classes precisely those from the lower classes who have the edge in native ability. Whatever else this accomplishes, it will also increase the I.Q. gap between upper and lower classes, making the social ladder even steeper for those left at the bottom. Technological advance changes the marketplace for I.Q. Even if every single job lost in automating a factory is replaced by a new job someplace else in a new technology, it is more than likely that some of those put out of the old jobs will not have the I.Q. for the new ones…

The syllogism and its corollaries point to a future in which social classes not only continue but become ever more solidly built on inborn differences. As the wealth and complexity of human society grow, there will be precipitated out of the mass of humanity a low-capacity (intellectual and otherwise) residue that may be unable to master the common occupations, cannot compete for success and achievement, and are most likely to be born to parents who have similarly failed…

The troubles he anticipated, and that the syllogism explains, have already caught the attention of alert social scientists, like Edward Banfield, whose book The Unheavenly City describes the increasingly chronic lower class in America’s central cities…

our society may be sorting itself willy-nilly into inherited castes. What is most troubling about this prospect is that the growth of a virtually hereditary meritocracy will arise out of the successful realization of contemporary political and social goals. The more we succeed in achieving relativeiy unimpeded social mobility, adequate wealth, the end of drudgery, and wholesome environment, the more forcefully does the syllogism apply…

The heritability of intelligence will grow as the conditions of life are made more uniformly wholesome; intelligence will play an increasingly important role in occupational success as the menial jobs are taken over by machines.


132646640.pdf

Are you really going to start this shit again? Fuck off, Trump's bullshit damage to the US is more important and real than any fucking crap you recycle. Focus your efforts on that, and leave this shit in the darkness of your mind.

 

[JohnEngelman]

In the article I excerpted from Professor Herrnstein mentions, while trading lightly over, the average IQ difference between whites and blacks. His main argument is that as more is done to increase social mobility, the average IQ of the upper class will increase, while that of the lower class will decline. Toward the end of his article, he mentions that as low skill jobs are increasingly performed by machines, those of lower intelligence will become increasingly unemployable. Throughout his article Professor Herrnstein presents impressive evidence that intelligence is primarily determined genetically.

When this article appeared the new left organization Students for a Democratic Society held a convention at Harvard with expressed intention to "Smash racism." By smashing racism, SDS wanted to get Professors Herrnstein, Arthur Jensen of Berkeley, and those of like mind fired. The new left, which attracted attention in 1964 at Berkeley with the free speech movement, became committed to suppressing speech it disagreed with.

Nevertheless, SDS soon ceased to exist. Professor Herrnstein continued to enjoy a successful career at Harvard. Together with Charles Murray he wrote The Bell Curve, which was published in 1994.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

In the article I excerpted from Professor Herrnstein mentions, while trading lightly over, the average IQ difference between whites and blacks. His main argument is that as more is done to increase social mobility, the average IQ of the upper class will increase, while that of the lower class will decline. Toward the end of his article, he mentions that as low skill jobs are increasingly performed by machines, those of lower intelligence will become increasingly unemployable. Throughout his article Professor Herrnstein presents impressive evidence that intelligence is primarily determined genetically.

When this article appeared the new left organization Students for a Democratic Society held a convention at Harvard with expressed intention to "Smash racism." By smashing racism, SDS wanted to get Professors Herrnstein, Arthur Jensen of Berkeley, and those of like mind fired. The new left, which attracted attention in 1964 at Berkeley with the free speech movement, became committed to suppressing speech it disagreed with.

Nevertheless, SDS soon ceased to exist. Professor Herrnstein continued to enjoy a successful career at Harvard. Together with Charles Murray he wrote The Bell Curve, which was published in 1994.

And here you go. Well first IQ isn't a measure of intelligence ( and no I'm not re-posting citations, you don't fucking believe them anyhow) but a gauge on how quickly an individual grasps a subject and the measure of comprehension they grasp. That's it nothing more, except people who take IQ tests more often, score better.

Fuck off and die you racist moron....

 

[JohnEngelman]

Are you really going to start this shit again? Fuck off, Trump's bullshit damage to the US is more important and real than any fucking crap you recycle. Focus your efforts on that, and leave this shit in the darkness of your mind.

In other comments I have expressed my dislike for Trump, and the effects he is having on the government.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

In other comments I have expressed my dislike for Trump, and the effects he is having on the government.

Fuck off, you're thoughts and opinions are irrelevant, you're just a maga light.

 

[Politruk]

The Atlantic, September 1971

IQ, by Professor Richard Herrnstein, of Harvard

That's Richard Herrnstein, you idiot! of The Bell Curve! Which was thoroughly debunked and discredited not long after publication!


Far more crankish, though, was The Bell Curve's further conclusion in the third and fourth parts of the book that innate intelligence plays an important role in the different socioeconomic statuses of differing ethnic groups in the United States. Arguing that intelligence is inherited in large part, and that the average intelligence of different ethnic groups can thus be assessed, the book then concludes that different ethnic groups have varying levels of intelligence, and certain groups are poor or unfortunate mainly because they are not as smart as others.[10] (Many early, knee-jerk criticisms in the media latched onto this point without addressing the rest of the book.)

Further compounding the errors made earlier on, this section of the book rather clearly hearkened back to the long tradition of "scientific racism." Herrnstein and Murray here rely on the biologically invalid concept of race, building on their already shaky neo-eugenic foundation of the "cognitive elite." A Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR) review noted:


[TR]
[TD]“”Anyone who flipped through the footnotes and bibliography of Murray and Herrnstein's book could see that there was something screwy about their sources. And there is hardly a proposition in their book that had not been thoroughly debunked more than a decade ago by Stephen Jay Gould's classic work on the pseudoscience behind eugenics, The Mismeasure of Man.[23][24][/TD]
[/TR]

A good deal of research cited in this section of the book was found to have been funded in part by the Pioneer Fund, which was infamous for its advocacy of eugenics.[25] There's really no subtlety to this. Notably, one of the sources cited favorably multiple times was J. Philippe Rushton, a crank psychologist who claimed "Mongoloids" were the more intelligent "race" (followed by the "Caucasoids" and then the "Negroids") and believed penis size to be inversely correlated with intelligence.[26] The Bell Curve's conclusions on race and intelligence has been debunked by prominent behavioral scientists.[27][28]