Deporting US citizens?

[dolf]

The pres has expressed an interest in deporting US criminals to El Salvador.
This is... interesting. El Salvador is the new Siberia?
I'm guessing the two main responses will be:

1, This is outrageous. American citizens have rights.

2, Good riddance. Criminals deserve no rights.

 

[Rotadom]

I would like to believe that #2 doesn't exist but we have a lot of hypocrites here who will not answer honestly.

Plus, the concept is just weird.

 

[dolf]

I'm surprised, because I know that prisoners provide a huge amount of cheap labour in America.
Aren't they still one of the biggest producers of white goods over there?
I assumed prison labour would be used to fill the gaps left by cheap imports and immigrant labour.

 

[Chernosoth]

Prison labor may be a net loss after prison expenses. In government and private prisons, the wardens and corporations have decades of practice in diverting funds and overbilling. Prisoners may also be too weak or sick to work with prison food. Prisons taking jobs from law abiding citizens may draw some attention. DOGE may eventually find ways to trim the costs per prisoner, but I expect most of the cost cuts will be in reducing prison population, partly with more executions of murderers, releasing huge numbers of people arrested on BS charges, and mostly with economic recovery, when people are employed and paid enough to avoid crimes of desperation. We also have the foster care to prison pipeline which has been ignored for a while, but we can't afford to let that continue.

 

[Bray123]

El Salvador is monetizing the storage of US prisoners.

How long before the Idiot imposes tariffs due to the trade imbalance?

 

[dolf]

Prison labor may be a net loss after prison expenses. In government and private prisons, the wardens and corporations have decades of practice in diverting funds and overbilling. Prisoners may also be too weak or sick to work with prison food. Prisons taking jobs from law abiding citizens may draw some attention. DOGE may eventually find ways to trim the costs per prisoner, but I expect most of the cost cuts will be in reducing prison population, partly with more executions of murderers, releasing huge numbers of people arrested on BS charges, and mostly with economic recovery, when people are employed and paid enough to avoid crimes of desperation. We also have the foster care to prison pipeline which has been ignored for a while, but we can't afford to let that continue.

You say that, but the country was quite literally built by slave labour. And, after slavery was technically abolished, prison labour.
All that unpicked fruit, no Mexicans to pick it, massive tariffs on imported food, and a population unwilling to do the labour.

 

[ll74]

dear leader deserves proper respect and praise

he is the best leader in the history of the universe

if you don't agree, your cell is waiting in el salvador

 

[Rebel5soul]

Call me when something real happens.

 

[ll74]

Call me when something real happens.

dear leader will call you on signal once attack plans are available

 

[Lance_Castro]

Call me when something real happens.

Like when they come for you?

 

[Bray123]

The best thing Kilmar Garcia could do is claim that he was a J6 Insurrectionist.

He'd be back by the end of the day with a personal greeting by Trump holding a compensation check.

 

[Rebel5soul]

Like when they come for you?

Unlikely.

 

[dolf]

Call me when something real haphappens

So your take is that this is just Trump brainstorming out loud?

 

[Lance_Castro]

Unlikely.

Turns out all those Country songs were right… freedom isn’t free in the “united” states.

 

[ll74]

Unlikely.

If you're reported to dear leader, then you are deportable

 

[Bn2f]

Unlikely.

Pathetic. You were always a base drum kicked by folks on the left but now you have no idea how to protect yourself from attacks coming from your flank. This all really started when Chloe bucked your cult on Ukraine and threw you for a loop. Lance just pegs you in the ass and you just take it. Pathetic. It’s rare that I encourage this behavior but you really need to create another alt and just start over again from scratch.

 

[Rebel5soul]

Turns out all those Country songs were right… freedom isn’t free in the “united” states.

Throw away balloon. Like dropping bread crumbs in the park and watching the pigeons and squirrels squabble over them.

 

[MajorRewrite]

El Salvador is the new Siberia?

Trump is desperate to mimic his master Putin, so yes.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Like dropping bread crumbs in the park and watching the pigeons and squirrels squabble over them.

We really don't care how you spend your days.

 

[ll74]

I have already checked into the signal chat with video evidence of my bowing to mar.la go temple of dear leader for compliance

 

[Hel_Books]

The pres has expressed an interest in deporting US criminals to El Salvador.
This is... interesting. El Salvador is the new Siberia?
I'm guessing the two main responses will be:

1, This is outrageous. American citizens have rights.

2, Good riddance. Criminals deserve no rights.

Looking forward to a successor to Papillon, depicting the horrors experienced by a man sent to the notorious CECOT prison and how he eventually escaped to freedom!

 

[Chernosoth]

You say that, but the country was quite literally built by slave labour. And, after slavery was technically abolished, prison labour.
All that unpicked fruit, no Mexicans to pick it, massive tariffs on imported food, and a population unwilling to do the labour.

Unsustainably. Cotton is a cash crop that destroys soil fertility. Plantation slavery needed constant expansion into new states for new soil. Without abolitionists it would have met a wall of no new soil left to exploit. Now with diminished resources and a falling birthrate, we can't use imperial growth economics. Doing what we can with what we have is the challenge of the next few decades.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The pres has expressed an interest in deporting US criminals to El Salvador.
This is... interesting. El Salvador is the new Siberia?
I'm guessing the two main responses will be:

1, This is outrageous. American citizens have rights.

2, Good riddance. Criminals deserve no rights.

With firm control of all three branches of American government, conservatives see a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to A ) criminalize "dissent" and B ) make America safe again for mediocre white men (by preventing non-male non-English speaking, non Christian "other people" from competing for positions).

We're firmly on the road to White Christian Nationalism in America, where women are barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen and minorities know to "shut they mouf and know they role").

Step 1 is to demonize undocumented immigrants
Step 2 is to demonize documented immigrants
Step 3 is to demonize legal non-citizens
Step 4 is to demonize non-Christian citizens
Step 5 is to demonize non-English speaking citizens
Step 6 is to demonize non-white citizens
Step 7 is to reduce women to their historically traditional role as mother of large numbers of white children.

Step 1 had been underway in a hit or miss manner for about a decade (Rapist Mexicans, but but Fentanyl, etc)
Step 2 is now underway due to a hellish partnership between Trump's America and Netanyahu's Israel. Under the fig leaf of "protecting the Jews", documented immigrants who have publicly opposed Netanyahu's splendid little pogrom of ethnic cleansing in Gaza are being declared "national security risks" to America and "disappeared" . A minority of Jews here in America support these Gestapo-like tactics (here on Lit, @Justplainjeff is the foremost advocate of this tactic), and I assume will be shocked...SHOCKED....when ICE comes for "God's Chosen People" once Step 4 commences.

American Exceptionalism is dead.
We've entered a new Dark Ages and many folks have no idea yet what is going on.

 

[Noitall]

^^^Should be deported

 

[RobDownSouth]

Reading reports this morning of American citizens (those with valid American passports) who are detained for ANY reason upon re-entry to the United States (possession of banned animal products, foods, plants, etc) and now required to submit their cellular phone for inspection of personal email and social media accounts prior to being released.

I'm so old I remember the concept of free speech.