Trump fucks up again. Ukraine negotiation goes sideways

[ll74]

Putin just launched a new Spring offensive, which doesn't show a lot of support for a ceasefire. Zelensky wants to fight using western blood and rejects giving up any land. This looks like a loggerhead to be.

Putin doesn't want a ceasefire. He wants complete capitulation, which 47 is giving him.

 

[KingDJT]

Putin doesn't want a ceasefire. He wants complete capitulation, which 47 is giving him.

Lol lol lol always always ALWAYS pick the loser! What are you gonna do when in a year, all your people are dead and gone? Every single person you cheat on is gonnaend up dead! Funny as hell! By the way planes going down, helicopters going down( sabotage that CEO just confirmed he was moving his multi billion company to the states).

 

[ll74]

....incoherent rambling....

Yep

 

[Rightguide]

Putin doesn't want a ceasefire. He wants complete capitulation, which 47 is giving him.

As I predicted months ago, a likely outcome is shaping up: a Russian victory in the East. Ukraine may be allowed to survive, but as a neutral buffer state, much like Austria during the Cold War. Russia retains control of the Russian-speaking provinces east of the Dnieper, including Crimea, and possibly adds Odessa to the fold. NATO forces stay out of Ukraine entirely. It’s neither ideal nor just, but reality rarely caters to sentiment. For now, Russia holds the advantage, and the specter of nuclear escalation ensures they keep it. Unless the West can broker a meaningful energy or economic arrangement compelling enough to make Putin reconsider his grip on the eastern provinces, this could be the trajectory we're on.

 

[ll74]

As I predicted months ago, a likely outcome is shaping up: a Russian victory in the East. Ukraine may be allowed to survive, but as a neutral buffer state, much like Austria during the Cold War. Russia retains control of the Russian-speaking provinces east of the Dnieper, including Crimea, and possibly adds Odessa to the fold. NATO forces stay out of Ukraine entirely. It’s neither ideal nor just, but reality rarely caters to sentiment. For now, Russia holds the advantage, and the specter of nuclear escalation ensures they keep it. Unless the West can broker a meaningful energy or economic arrangement compelling enough to make Putin reconsider his grip on the western provinces, this could be the trajectory we're on.

Lol....neither side has made significant progress in the conflict. The land that Russia controls in the East remains unchanged....the land within Russia that Ukrainians control has fluctuated a bit.

Putin is currently pressuring his subordinate envoy in St Petersburg to fuck over Ukraine more.

 

[Rightguide]

Lol....neither side has made significant progress in the conflict. The land that Russia controls in the East remains unchanged....the land within Russia that Ukrainians control has fluctuated a bit.

Putin is currently pressuring his subordinate envoy in St Petersburg to fuck over Ukraine more.

That's BS. Look at the map. The Russians have had control of the Donbas. This map hasn't changed in over a year.

https://understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/Russo-Ukrainian%20War%20April%2012%2C%202025.png

The truth is, Ukraine has made zero progress taking that geography back.

 

[ll74]

That's BS. Look at the map. The Russians have had control of the Donbas. This map hasn't changed in over a year.

https://understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/Russo-Ukrainian%20War%20April%2012%2C%202025.png

The truth is, Ukraine has made zero progress taking that geography back.

You can't read.

Lol....neither side has made significant progress in the conflict. The land that Russia controls in the East remains unchanged....the land within Russia that Ukrainians control has fluctuated a bit.

Russia gained that land within the first three months. They've done nothing since then.

About the only thing they have done since then is kidnap more Ukranian children to brainwash them

 

[MajorRewrite]

As I predicted months ago, a likely outcome is shaping up: a Russian victory in the East. Ukraine may be allowed to survive, but as a neutral buffer state, much like Austria during the Cold War. Russia retains control of the Russian-speaking provinces east of the Dnieper, including Crimea, and possibly adds Odessa to the fold. NATO forces stay out of Ukraine entirely. It’s neither ideal nor just, but reality rarely caters to sentiment. For now, Russia holds the advantage, and the specter of nuclear escalation ensures they keep it. Unless the West can broker a meaningful energy or economic arrangement compelling enough to make Putin reconsider his grip on the eastern provinces, this could be the trajectory we're on.

Thanks for sharing the official Russian position, Comrade RightGuide.

 

[Rightguide]

You can't read.

Russia gained that land within the first three months. They've done nothing since then.

About the only thing they have done since then is kidnap more Ukranian children to brainwash them

That’s simply not accurate. Ukraine has made no meaningful progress in evicting Russian forces. The reality is that the territory is lost—and barring a dramatic shift, it’s not coming back. The northern incursion you mentioned amounts to little more than a nuisance operation with negligible strategic value, and it's been heavily degraded over the past few months. Zelensky may want to keep fighting, but he's rapidly running out of both manpower and matériel. At this point, the prospect of a Ukrainian victory is not just unlikely, it’s untenable. The United States will not bankroll an endless war with no clear endgame. If Europe chooses to escalate further, it must understand that its cities, capitals, and territory could very well become targets. It’s unclear whether they truly grasp the stakes, or if they’re willing to bear the cost."

 

[ll74]

That’s simply not accurate. Ukraine has made no meaningful progress in evicting Russian forces

I said - neither side has made significant progress.


What the fuck language do you speak?

They gained some territory early and now have been stuck in a stalemate ever since.

If anything Ukraine has made more recent progress by capturing territory in Russia.

 

[Rightguide]

Thanks for sharing the official Russian position, Comrade RightGuide.

Stop being a fucking idiot. It's just my assessment of the reality on the ground. You've been immersed in war propaganda. You've read hundreds of news stories and media claims about how the Ukrainians are killing the Russians in astronomical numbers compared to their own and how they won every field engagement, shot down every Russian aircraft, missile, drone, as well as having sunk the Russian fleet. So why are they getting their asses kicked. Why haven't they taken back any of the seized territory? Why isn't the war over? Why is Eastern Ukraine a mass grave yard, that can be seen from space, with demolished cities for tombstones? Why is there little energy production left in Western Ukraine? Why are the lights always going out in Kiev?

The conflict has devolved into a grinding stalemate, increasingly reminiscent of World War I-style trench warfare. With neither side able to establish full air superiority, mobility and tactical initiative have been severely constrained. The war has become a contest of attrition, one that favors the side with greater reserves of manpower and materiel: Russia. In the present scenario, victory isn’t shaped by brilliance on the battlefield, but by the sheer capacity to endure and re-supply.

 

[Rightguide]

I said - neither side has made significant progress.


What the fuck language do you speak?

They gained some territory early and now have been stuck in a stalemate ever since.

If anything Ukraine has made more recent progress by capturing territory in Russia.

The whole point of that incursion was to pull Russian forces away from the Eastern and Southeastern front. It failed, and at present is being reduced in detail. Meanwhile, on the Eastern and Southeastern front, the Ukrainians are being ground up by overwhelming Russian artillery superiority. It's all about the numbers at this point, who has the most of everything needed to continue.

 

[ll74]

The whole point of that incursion was to pull Russian forces away from the Eastern and Southeastern front

It was a more recent advancement.

. It failed, and at present is being reduced in detail. Meanwhile, on the Eastern and Southeastern front, the Ukrainians are being ground up by overwhelming Russian artillery superiority. It's all about the numbers at this point, who has the most of everything needed to continue.

All you do is cheer for Russia. And you think you're being some sort of strategist.

Russia invaded Ukraine. They should stop and negotiate peace.

The US is doing whatever it can to help give them everything they want.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Lol....neither side has made significant progress in the conflict. The land that Russia controls in the East remains unchanged....the land within Russia that Ukrainians control has fluctuated a bit.

Putin is currently pressuring his subordinate envoy in St Petersburg to fuck over Ukraine more.

Putin is tring hard to influence Trump into pressuring Ukraine to capitulate, with Putin offering Trump an extortionate resource deal at Ukraine's cost in order to have Trump pressure Ukraine to toss in the towel. Neither Trump nor Putin are taking Zelensky, Ukrainians, or the ZSU into account. Zelensky is stringing Trump along on the resource deal, and on negotiations, doing their best to continue making the Russians look like the bad guys, with Putin and the Russians doing everything they can to help. Terror attacks look spectacular, they kill and injure a few civilians, but they achieve absolutely nothing militarily except to unite Ukrainians bnhind Zelensky and convince them they need tom continue to fight - the British and the 1940 Blitz providing an example.

Meanwhile, the ZSU is building up continuously. More funding, more drones (drones are shaing up to be the decisive factor and Ukraine has an edge here), More ammo (now 1:2 as opposed to 1:10 a year ago, and if you look those daily stats, the ZSU is hammering Russian artillery and logistics daily. The Russian Air Force and Navy have been reduced to irrelvance, Ukrainian defence industry is increasing production all the time - 155mm guns, ammo, IFV's - both their own and Lynx IFV's, with CV90's coming from Sweden and the Netherlands, more Leopard's trickling in, cruise missiles coming off the production lines, ore and more defense investment from Europe in Ukraine, Swedish AWAC's coming, more Mirage 2000's and F16's coming. The changes to the draft and mobilization in Ukraine are resulting in increases in recuiting numbers and better training. Ukraine is working on their own Patriot analog. Their situation improves weekly.

Russia's situation meanwhile worsens. The frontline has, for all intents and purposes, remained static over the last year. Russia has gained a field here and a village there at enormous cost in manpower. There attacks now are largely untrained infantry, with very little armor. They take hige losses just to get men up as far as the front before they even attack, and they are under constant drobe observation and attack as they move up. Ukraine now has fibre-optic drones impervious to jamming and capable of reaching out up to 40 kms, further than the range of a lot of Russian artillery. Ukranian drone production in 2025 will likely quadruple over last year, with drone Battalions and Brigades in action as a ful-fledged supporting arm. The ZSU is not quite self-suffient in 155mm ammo but they are closing in, and Trump not sending any more ammo will not be the disaster it was when Biden cut off supplies for 6 months. Sure, it will hurt not to get more ATACMS missiles, just as it is hurting not to be getting replacement Patriot missles from the US, but it's not the end of the world. US support is not critical any longer, but more of a nice to have, and forwarned off the loss of US Intelligence is fore-armed. The UK and France are stepping up, it will not be as good as US inteliigence, but it will be safer to rely on.

Putin can pressure Witkoff all he likes, and I expect Putin will keep Trump-quisling in line, but in the end, Zelensky and Ukraine will drop the US and go alone with Europe - Trump and the USA are fast fading into irrelevance as the ZSU continues to build up, and EU finally gets into gear, and at some point this year the hammer will fall and another Ukrainian breakthrough will occur. When that does, the Russians are in no position for mobile warfare, as Kursk illustrated - the only limiting factor there was the ZSU only committed a small number of units and the intent was to draw the Russians in and cause them losses. Mission accomplished. Ditto Belogorod. Ukraine conducted a spoilimg attack to seize better defensive positions, which they have done. Now, 2025 is shaping up to be the decision point and when that ZSU attack comes, somewhere, my guess is it will be aimed at reaching the Sea of Azov and perhaps Mariupol, cutting of Kherson, dropping the Kerch Bridge and either isolating or retaking Crimea, at which point Putin will eat a lead pill and Trump will go apoplectic.

THAT is when China may decide the Russian Federation's usefulness has come to an end and stake their claim for Siberia, leaving Taiwan to whither on the vine. Bit of extrapolation there and some things, like Siberia, may take a lot longer, but Putin will inevitab;y eat a lead pill at some point as Ukraine annihilates Russian industry and oil refineries, destroying Trump's hopes of taking a few more Russian bribes.

 

[Rightguide]

It was a more recent advancement.

All you do is cheer for Russia. And you think you're being some sort of strategist.

Russia invaded Ukraine. They should stop and negotiate peace.

The US is doing whatever it can to help give them everything they want.

I'm not cheering anyone. I'm just looking at the reality on the ground as opposed to what we hear in the war propaganda press. Yes, after provocation and Russian warnings about not killing the Russian-speaking citizens of Eastern Ukraine, Russia invaded Ukraine, and the killing began in earnest. So why is it our business to intervene? Because the Deep State War Party that you support in the United States loves eternal war, as long as their children are exempt from combat. The American people do not support going to war in Ukraine, and our budget doesn't support it either.

 

[ll74]

I'm not cheering anyone. I'm just looking at the reality on the ground as opposed to what we hear in the war propaganda press. Yes, after provocation and Russian warnings about not killing the Russian-speaking citizens of Eastern Ukraine, Russia invaded Ukraine, and the killing began in earnest. So why is it our business to intervene? Because the Deep State War Party that you support in the United States loves eternal war, as long as their children are exempt from combat. The American people do not support going to war in Ukraine, and our budget doesn't support it either.

Yes, Russia used a horseshit pretext and you believed them. Just as I'm sure you support their kidnapping of Ukranian children for brainwashing. Just as I'm sure you believe the war was about Nazis. Just as I'm sure you believe that Zelensky is a dictator.

As Chloe has mentioned, Ukraine has European backing, who is a more reliable partner. Russia, meanwhile, has the US who likely can't openly provide Russian support but may attempt to fund them via back channels. We shall see.

 

[ChloeTzang]

......Meanwhile, on the Eastern and Southeastern front, the Ukrainians are being ground up by overwhelming Russian artillery superiority. It's all about the numbers at this point, who has the most of everything needed to continue.

Other way around. Ukrainian artillery strength is surpassing Russia. They are outbuilding Russia with their Bohdans, they have artillery superiority in most areas of the front now and when a Russian gun pops up, it meets Ukranian drones. Ukie artillery is more accurate and generally out-ranges Russia, and is modern - Russia is increasingly reliant on old 50's and 60's towed guns and theyre not very accurate. As for drones, 80-85% of the Russian casualties are from drones....it's augmenting and superceding artillery, both, and the SZU has land drones coming in increasing numbers too. And the ZSU's drone units and getting bigger and better and are being equipped with more and more drones with a range of capabilities.

 

[ChloeTzang]

I'm not cheering anyone. I'm just looking at the reality on the ground as opposed to what we hear in the war propaganda press. Yes, after provocation and Russian warnings about not killing the Russian-speaking citizens of Eastern Ukraine, Russia invaded Ukraine, and the killing began in earnest.

Russian propaganda that was proven to be lies years ago

So why is it our business to intervene? Because the Deep State War Party that you support in the United States loves eternal war, as long as their children are exempt from combat. The American people do not support going to war in Ukraine, and our budget doesn't support it either.

We're not intervening at all. Biden never sent troops, only weapons and intelligence. Trump has done nothing to help Ukraine. Any aid coming thru is aid the Biden Administration authorized and sent, and at this point I don't think anyone expects anything else to come from the Trump regime, who are increasingly overtly on the side of Putin and the Russians.

And based on polls, the American people DO support aiding Ukraine. By doing what he is doing and openly assisting Russia, Trump is going against the wishes of the majority of Americans.

 

[MajorRewrite]

You've read hundreds of news stories and media claims about how the Ukrainians are killing the Russians in astronomical numbers compared to their own and how they won every field engagement, shot down every Russian aircraft, missile, drone, as well as having sunk the Russian fleet.

Nope. I haven’t read anything like that. Are you delusional?

So why are they getting their asses kicked. Why haven't they taken back any of the seized territory? Why isn't the war over? Why is Eastern Ukraine a mass grave yard, that can be seen from space, with demolished cities for tombstones? Why is there little energy production left in Western Ukraine? Why are the lights always going out in Kiev?

Because Putin continues his bungled invasion, which he thought would be over in days. Only Russia propaganda calls that wINnINg.

The conflict has devolved into a grinding stalemate, increasingly reminiscent of World War I-style trench warfare. With neither side able to establish full air superiority, mobility and tactical initiative have been severely constrained. The war has become a contest of attrition, one that favors the side with greater reserves of manpower and materiel: Russia. In the present scenario, victory isn’t shaped by brilliance on the battlefield, but by the sheer capacity to endure and re-supply.

And you support Russia’s bungled invasion that is bogged down in a stalemate, Comrade RightGuide.

The best way to end the stalemate is for your idol to end his invasion and go home.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

The "talks" didn't start till this weekend and they remain seconds in command. Putin is not there. It is the US that did show up to try.

lol, want to bet, nothing comes of it? Trump can "talk" all he wants to. Ukraine is just stringing Trump along now. Wait and see.....

 

[ChloeTzang]

That's BS. Look at the map. The Russians have had control of the Donbas. This map hasn't changed in over a year.

https://understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/Russo-Ukrainian%20War%20April%2012%2C%202025.png

The truth is, Ukraine has made zero progress taking that geography back.

They haven't tried since they tried in that first offensive and discovered that without control of the air, NATO doctrine didn;t work too well - and they weren't trained and equipped for a NATO-style combined arms offensive. They regrouped to a strategy f inflicting heavy losses on Russia while withdrawing where necessary while they built up their strength. Given Biden would not send more Bradleys, HUIMARS or guns, despite having hundreds lying around waiting to be recycled, and no F16's whatsoever, this left the ZSU reliant on what trickled through from other countries and what could be built or they could build themselves. Throw in Russian minefields and yu have WW1-style setup which precludes mobile warfare.

Drones change that.....so we're going to have to wait and see what Ukraine can accomplish with drone superiority. And with bringing down the Russian economy.

 

[ChloeTzang]

lol, want to bet, nothing comes of it? Trump can "talk" all he wants to. Ukraine is just stringing Trump along now. Wait and see.....

100% agree with that. Trump can't stand Zelensky, and Zelensky's right back at 'ya, and in that White House meeting he called Vance a "bitch" in Ukranian. LOL. That resource deal Trump is panting after is sheer extortion and Ukrainians know that and they understand very well what Zelensky is doing. Whatever Trump masturbest over, Zelensky's negotiators are just stringing that along for as long as piossible, just like the "negotiations" with Putin. Putin thinks he can win and he's stringing Trump along too.

The so-called "Trade War" with China that just fizzled out leaving Xi looking like a winner is icing on the cake. I don't like running the USA down, but between Biden and Trump we look incompetent at best, and losers at worst, and the EU is starting to grow a backbone. Economically and militarily, the EU combined has the potential to be the equal of China and the USA, while Russia is, as has been said by others, a gas station with nukes and delusuiins of grandeur. They were already in demographic decline, inflation is over 20% there now, bankruptcies are really kicking off, their economy is going to crash and burn and their next biggest export after oil is Russian blondes to China as trophy wives...

 

[ChloeTzang]

Oh, STFU you useless POS. You have done nothing to stop Putun and everythung you can to handicap Ukraine. This is the sort of whining we get when Trump promised millions of people that he would end the war in Ukraine, but in reality he is now powerless because the Russian dictator knows you're a windbag and doesn't give a fuck about you

Either take a crap or get off the pot you dickbrain. YOU are the President. Stop blaming Biden and making excuses you chickenshit.

How many passes does Trump have to give to Putin before the bulk of the GOP finally admits he’s on the Kremlin payroll and moves to impeach him?

 

[ll74]

Oh, STFU you useless POS. You have done nothing to stop Putun and everythung you can to handicap Ukraine. This is the sort of whining we get when Trump promised millions of people that he would end the war in Ukraine, but in reality he is now powerless because the Russian dictator knows you're a windbag and doesn't give a fuck about you

Either take a crap or get off the pot you dickbrain. YOU are the President. Stop blaming Biden and making excuses you chickenshit.

How many passes does Trump have to give to Putin before the bulk of the GOP finally admits he’s on the Kremlin payroll and moves to impeach him?


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Dude literally ran on ending this war on day 1 and he's already finding an exit

What a fucking piece of shit

 

[MajorRewrite]

Oh, STFU you useless POS. You have done nothing to stop Putun and everythung you can to handicap Ukraine. This is the sort of whining we get when Trump promised millions of people that he would end the war in Ukraine, but in reality he is now powerless because the Russian dictator knows you're a windbag and doesn't give a fuck about you

Either take a crap or get off the pot you dickbrain. YOU are the President. Stop blaming Biden and making excuses you chickenshit.

How many passes does Trump have to give to Putin before the bulk of the GOP finally admits he’s on the Kremlin payroll and moves to impeach him?


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Doddering Donnie brings out the classics ! He feeds the gullible MAGA sheep the same bull over and over:

1. Biden biDEn Biiiiiiiiiiden
2. Putin respects me
3. Elections rigged!
4. Crooked Joe!
5. Zelenskyy started the war!

Soon he’ll be so desperate that he’ll be back to “Obama is a Kenyan Muslim!”