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[UnquietDreams]

Time for an opinion no one asked for…
Ok go…

I hate Beauty and the Beast with a passion. The songs are lovely, as well as the animation for its time.

BUT the concept of the movie is a guy who everyone sees as a monster (with a heart of gold but still a monster), well because he is, can be changed into a decent person……. Is fucking bullshit.

Yes he had good qualities, as do all people but…. He was mostly an asshole to his staff, the townspeople, and even Belle at first….

Long rant, slightly shortened…
If a dude is an asshole… he is an asshole.. no woman can change that, not truly.

Oh I forgot… the east wing I think full of “broken things” which if the whole house is full of animate things… he murdered a lot of his staff at some point…

Every opinion is valid and holds the same weight. But I see it as a character drowning in the pain of his own making, finally seeing beyond his world and making the first steps to a larger place. Empathy leading to friendship leading to growth and more. I am a sucker for redemption stories.

It reminds me of a child's version of Valmont's journey in Dangerous Liaisons.

"Now, I'm not going to deny that I was aware of your beauty. But the point is, this has nothing to do with your beauty. As I got to know you, I began to realize that beauty was the least of your qualities. I became fascinated by your goodness. I was drawn in by it. I didn't understand what was happening to me. And it was only when I began to feel actual, physical pain every time you left the room that it finally dawned on me: I was in love, for the first time in my life. I knew it was hopeless, but that didn't matter to me. And it's not that I want to have you. All I want is to deserve you. Tell me what to do. Show me how to behave. I'll do anything you say."

Since it was a Disney cartoon, they couldn't let Beast die.

 

[Chloe_Harper]

I will hate it with Jack also. Even hearing you talk about it makes me remember how much I dislike it.

Well, as I said. Hate it if you like. I just couldn't let that sit.


Alas, my Disney-nerd was showing. I used a lot of Disney as points on my Psych and English essays. So, sometimes I go overboard.

 

[UnquietDreams]

Alas, my Disney-nerd was showing. I used a lot of Disney as points on my Psych and English essays. So, sometimes I go overboard.

Not in the slightest. Heh.

Fine, toss me a life preserver as well.

 

[Rj_1954]

I killed the party....
Sleep well friends....

No you didn't...but I got meds to take and then sleep

 

[UnquietDreams]

11. I've never had a sexual partner younger than me.



2. I've only ever had an orgasm with myself or a female, yet I find men sexually attractive and have had a handful of partners....



3. I was the varsity softball teams' starting catcher all four years of highschool...

Let's see....

I would go with 1 as the lie. Or the first one, number 11.

Catcher is the bedrock of a baseball/softball, and that fits you well.

 

[dawn_of_night]

Let's see....

I would go with 1 as the lie. Or the first one, number 11.

Catcher is the bedrock of a baseball/softball, and that fits you well.

#11... Lol.
I guess I got excited....

 

[dawn_of_night]

Not in the slightest. Heh.

Fine, toss me a life preserver as well.

Just kidding....

 

[Sammysub07]

11. I've never had a sexual partner younger than me.



2. I've only ever had an orgasm with myself or a female, yet I find men sexually attractive and have had a handful of partners....



3. I was the varsity softball teams' starting catcher all four years of highschool...

1 is the lie. I don’t think it’s 3.

2 is plausible. It was a lengthier explanation.

But I’ll have to wait until morning to check. Time for

 

[dawn_of_night]

Just kidding....

Have you played yet?
Did I miss your 1. 2. 3. ?

 

[dawn_of_night]

1 is the lie. I don’t think it’s 3.

2 is plausible. It was a lengthier explanation.

But I’ll have to wait until morning to check. Time for

Good night

 

[Sammysub07]

Good Night BH

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[cactusjack0584]

11. I've never had a sexual partner younger than me.



2. I've only ever had an orgasm with myself or a female, yet I find men sexually attractive and have had a handful of partners....



3. I was the varsity softball teams' starting catcher all four years of highschool...

I’m thinking 3

Yes.
I mean... If you wanna be a princess I'm not gonna judge....
My favorite princess is April O'Neal....
And then of course Lilo.....
After that.... The 90s princesses kinda al I'm run together for third place....

My favorite Disney movie is Robin Hood, followed by minimal difference for Lilo and Stitch....
And it's only b cause they are decades apart that I would even make them 1st and second because I love stitch without hesitation

I didn’t know if you wanted one with a princess . But mine is Emporers New Groove! Quotable and funny, and basically just a lighthearted romp. Also David Spade, John Goodman, and Patrick Warburton! Solid gold!

Well, I have a lot of points to counter with this... I'll start with that last bit...

Not every piece of furniture was a living servant. So, assuming he murdered a bunch of them only to have the rest of the staff still care for him seems unlikely.

Now, as for people unable to change, I don't think that's right at all. We all grow as people every day. I'm certainly not who I was 10years ago, and I don't imagine you are either. "A heart of gold" already gives the premise that deep down he was a decent person who lost his way through vanity and privilege. You take those two things away, as well as being the cause of the only people who have ever cared about you being prisoner as well? That in it of itself begins to change you all on its own.

By the time Belle came along, the rose was nearly out of petals. A man was seeing the hope of being able to break the curse literally fall away a petal at a time. So, new people coming in, Beast wanted gone because hope, in his eyes, was already lost. However, fast forward to Belle making her first escape, she nearly gets torn apart by wolves, only for Beast to save her, and get injured in the process. Not because he wanted his prisoner to be prisoner still, but because he was already a good person. He could have just let her escape and die if he were really an asshole.

Belle doesn't change him. In fact, the only thing Belle does scold him on are his manners and temper. Something no one has scolded him on in years. He bites back, but he also listens. You can tell he listens to and cares for his staff as well in the scenes we see of them advising Beast. What Belle does is treat him like an equal. A human being. And that's enough to still his rage and reignite his hope that maybe, just maybe, it's not too late for this curse to be lifted after all.

So, while the man has a temper, and he had issues that definitely needed addressing, he wasn't an asshole. He was a man with flaws, hurt, trauma, and a deeper backstory than you're giving credit for.

Gaston was an asshole. He had all of Beast's flaws without the empathy or moral compass.

So, hate it if you want. Have your opinions. Just don't take the movie for surface-level story. Look a little closer. That's all.

I said it was an opinion no one asked for…

Every opinion is valid and holds the same weight. But I see it as a character drowning in the pain of his own making, finally seeing beyond his world and making the first steps to a larger place. Empathy leading to friendship leading to growth and more. I am a sucker for redemption stories.

It reminds me of a child's version of Valmont's journey in Dangerous Liaisons.

"Now, I'm not going to deny that I was aware of your beauty. But the point is, this has nothing to do with your beauty. As I got to know you, I began to realize that beauty was the least of your qualities. I became fascinated by your goodness. I was drawn in by it. I didn't understand what was happening to me. And it was only when I began to feel actual, physical pain every time you left the room that it finally dawned on me: I was in love, for the first time in my life. I knew it was hopeless, but that didn't matter to me. And it's not that I want to have you. All I want is to deserve you. Tell me what to do. Show me how to behave. I'll do anything you say."

Since it was a Disney cartoon, they couldn't let Beast die.

I will keep mine to myself from now on!

 

[Chloe_Harper]

Good Night BH

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Goodnight gorgeous sweetest dreams

 

[Chloe_Harper]

I didn’t know if you wanted one with a princess . But mine is Emporers New Groove! Quotable and funny, and basically just a lighthearted romp. Also David Spade, John Goodman, and Patrick Warburton! Solid gold!

Solid choice!

I said it was an opinion no one asked for…

I know. But you gave it, so I countered you didn't ask, but I gave mine.

I will keep mine to myself from now on!

That's not what the take-away is here. Conversation isn't always everyone agreeing on things. Fistful agreed with you even more after reading what I said.

You should, however, keep them to yourself if you can't take opposing opinions coming right back at you when you give yours. That's just how threads and friendship works. And it's ok that we don't all agree on something.

 

[UnquietDreams]

I will keep mine to myself from now on!

Well, that is a choice, but I'd rather you didn't. Conversation is how we learn about each other, and I would hope that we respect each other enough to be able to respectful disagree. I hope I didn't offend you with my response, as that wasn't my aim. And I know that for myself at least, putting my opinion into writing allows me to understand my own thoughts as well.

I enjoyed reading your view, even though (or because) it varied from my own.

 

[cactusjack0584]

Solid choice!

I know. But you gave it, so I countered you didn't ask, but I gave mine.

That's not what the take-away is here. Conversation isn't always everyone agreeing on things. Fistful agreed with you even more after reading what I said.

You should, however, keep them to yourself if you can't take opposing opinions coming right back at you when you give yours. That's just how threads and friendship works. And it's ok that we don't all agree on something.

I appreciate your response, and you as a person. But you talking about belle just pushed a button in me.
Not trying to sway your perspective but mine has always been that the Beast and Belle have an emotionally, and almost physically abusive relationship. Yes he had trauma etc. but that doesn’t give him the right to treat her and others the way he initially did. Having had many women in my life be in situations that are in my mind quite similar, it just flared up.
And of course we can disagree. Everyone sees things differently.

Well, that is a choice, but I'd rather you didn't. Conversation is how we learn about each other, and I would hope that we respect each other enough to be able to respectful disagree. I hope I didn't offend you with my response, as that wasn't my aim. And I know that for myself at least, putting my opinion into writing allows me to understand my own thoughts as well.

I enjoyed reading your view, even though (or because) it varied from my own.

I am not offended. But as I stated before I don’t see the Beast’s story as much as redemption but as an eventual reward for bad behavior. and thank you for your opinion and views as well.

 

[dawn_of_night]

11. I've never had a sexual partner younger than me.

So.... This is actually true... An average of about 15 years older

2. I've only ever had an orgasm with myself or a female, yet I find men sexually attractive and have had a handful of partners....

I wouldn't lie about sex, lol. I actually gave more head than anything, but my only long term boyfriend was just not a good fit for me sexually and there was lots of self pleasuring in that relationship...

3. I was the varsity softball teams' starting catcher all four years of highschool...

This is actually totally false, I've never played softball, even on the church/office teams....

I was recruited for the track team in junior high and by the time the softball coach found out I could catch, I was committed and he said he didn't want me playing both sports.... So, I was the captain of the track team 3 of 4 years all varsity.

I think I was much happier without softball.

 

[cactusjack0584]

So.... This is actually true... An average of about 15 years older

I wouldn't lie about sex, lol. I actually gave more head than anything, but my only long term boyfriend was just not a good fit for me sexually and there was lots of self pleasuring in that relationship...

This is actually totally false, I've never played softball, even on the church/office teams....

I was recruited for the track team in junior high and by the time the softball coach found out I could catch, I was committed and he said he didn't want me playing both sports.... So, I was the captain of the track team 3 of 4 years all varsity.

I think I was much happier without softball.

Nailed it. I’m obnoxiously good at this game

 

[dawn_of_night]

Nailed it. I’m obnoxiously good at this game

Or you know me better than our peers....
Goofy boy....

 

[Hornymwtxn]

11. I've never had a sexual partner younger than me.



2. I've only ever had an orgasm with myself or a female, yet I find men sexually attractive and have had a handful of partners....



3. I was the varsity softball teams' starting catcher all four years of highschool...

I say 2 is the lie

 

[dawn_of_night]

I say 2 is the lie

Sorry bud. No dice

 

[Zephreck]

She actually posted which was the lie above...

 

[Chloe_Harper]

I appreciate your response, and you as a person. But you talking about belle just pushed a button in me.

Just like Tom Cruise pushed a button in me. I get that.

Not trying to sway your perspective but mine has always been that the Beast and Belle have an emotionally, and almost physically abusive relationship. Yes he had trauma etc. but that doesn’t give him the right to treat her and others the way he initially did.

doesnt sway my opinion at all. I've had many lengthy debates with people on this topic as well as the "Stolkholm Syndrome" theory many like to throw about. And, while I can see why it is triggering for people that have dealt with any of that, it's simply not what the movie is about.

Having had many women in my life be in situations that are in my mind quite similar, it just flared up.

Again, I totally see where you're coming from. I've been in similar situations myself. Never have I felt this movie was anything like that situation, nor does it remind me of it. But, I can see why it would for others.

And of course we can disagree. Everyone sees things differently.

Naturally. Thats what makes us humans human.

I am not offended. But as I stated before I don’t see the Beast’s story as much as redemption but as an eventual reward for bad behavior. and thank you for your opinion and views as well.

Oof. Eventual reward for bad behavior? Well, I won't go into that, too deeply other than, he literally died for her. Nope. Stop it Chloe. Ok, I see and respect your opinion. I disagree.

 

[UnquietDreams]

I am not offended. But as I stated before I don’t see the Beast’s story as much as redemption but as an eventual reward for bad behavior. and thank you for your opinion and views as well.

I am not disagreeing with your opinion, but every redemption story starts with something to be redeemed from. I don't see it as being rewarded for bad behavior -- he is literally dying to save someone else, showing his growth and ability to put others in front of his own wants and needs.

Pretty in Pink, on the other hand...

 

[Hornymwtxn]

She actually posted which was the lie above...

Well we all have different times when we come to read the boards.

I might be 5 or more pages behind but I see a post I want to reply to right then and there or else I will forget my thought process on why I wanted to reply in the first place.

So yes I risk others having said almost the exact same thing I am trying to convey or in these type games the answer will have already been revealed before I have caught up to the end.

I don't point these things out because I am upset at your post but just trying to explain why it may have happened this way.

Heck I don't even know which post you were replying to since your reply wasn't in line and a stand alone post.