The Alien Enemies Act - 1798

[dolf]

Invoked.
Blocked.

Reaction?

 

[Lazaran]

Invoked.
Blocked.

Reaction?

The “Trump Declares War” thread is discussing this topic.

 

[lovecraft68]

I'm sure there will be quite a few experts on this 227 year old law, and they will be sure to tell us all about it like they wrote it.

Blessed be the interwebz

 

[Chernosoth]

FDR also had many of his actions blocked in court.

 

[Lance_Castro]

1. Respect for this government’s deep knowledge of laws already on the books and programs already in place to make things actually happen versus talking….doge for example is a pre-existing program. Well-played. Props.

2. If you’re in another country without papers, showing you the door shouldn’t be this difficult or controversial. Who the fuck is advocating for the “rights” of armed venezuelans in the US illegally? Fuck that shit.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

1. Respect for this government’s deep knowledge of laws already on the books and programs already in place to make things actually happen versus talking….doge for example is a pre-existing program. Well-played. Props.

2. If you’re in another country without papers, showing you the door shouldn’t be this difficult or controversial. Who the fuck is advocating for the “rights” of armed venezuelans in the US illegally? Fuck that shit.

The government just has to prove that individual is in the country illegally. Otherwise the government could just throw out anyone. That’s not too hard to understand.

 

[Lance_Castro]

The government just has to prove that individual is in the country illegally.

in what country, Backwardistan?

Lol

 

[Bray123]

The judge who blocked the insane order to arrest every Venezuelan under the Act that was last used to imprison Japanese during WW2 will likely be arrested for defying the edict of the Supreme Mobster.

The expedited removal process allowed under the act means that those subject to the president's declaration would not go through the normal immigration court process, or be able to claim asylum. Advocates fear that invoking the act would also open the door for targeting and deportations of other individuals regardless of their status or criminal records.

"Under the Aliens Enemies Act, this aspect of going through each of these steps is abbreviated, and there isn't an aspect of showing or allowing the individual to have their day in court before the immigration judge," Bailey said. "Rather, the person could be deported simply based upon the aspect of whether or not they are a national of a particular country."

https://www.npr.org/2025/03/15/nx-s1-5246028/trump-alien-enemies-act-tren-de-aragua-deportation

 

[HisArpy]

Invoked.
Blocked.

Reaction?

1. The civilian court has no jurisdiction over military matters or the use of military/war powers. Nor can the courts preemptively restrain the government from invoking a war powers act.

2. The TRO is void ab initio. The appellate courts will block the order. The judge needs to find himself arrested and jailed for multiple Federal offenses while the DOJ seeks an indictment.

3. The deportees were taken into custody by Venezuela police after the plane landed. Which means either the plane had offloaded the deportees before the court ordered them returned, or the Administration rightfully ignored the court's order. Or both.

 

[DeluxAuto]

I'm sure there will be quite a few experts on this 227 year old law, and they will be sure to tell us all about it like they wrote it.

Blessed be the interwebz

Your stupid ass believes the idiot who invoked it knows its contents.

 

[ll74]

1. The civilian court has no jurisdiction over military matters or the use of military/war powers. Nor can the courts preemptively restrain the government from invoking a war powers act.

2. The TRO is void ab initio. The appellate courts will block the order. The judge needs to find himself arrested and jailed for multiple Federal offenses while the DOJ seeks an indictment.

3. The deportees were taken into custody by Venezuela police after the plane landed. Which means either the plane had offloaded the deportees before the court ordered them returned, or the Administration rightfully ignored the court's order. Or both.

The only reason the order is being used is to sidestep due process. Courts certainly see right through that.

 

[LLCox]

Your stupid ass believes the idiot who invoked it knows its contents.

He gets fed info depending on what he wants... "make it so."

 

[HisArpy]

The only reason the order is being used is to sidestep due process. Courts certainly see right through that.

A lack of jurisdiction is a lack of jurisdiction. The civilian courts can pound sand and get the same end result because the courts cannot preemptively restrain the gov nor enjoin the use of war powers.

It really comes down to a simple question; who is in charge of running the government? The President or the courts?

 

[ll74]

A lack of jurisdiction is a lack of jurisdiction. The civilian courts can pound sand and get the same end result because the courts cannot preemptively restrain the gov nor enjoin the use of war powers.

It really comes down to a simple question; who is in charge of running the government? The President or the courts?

Using war powers to end run around the law is what the courts will be discussing. Both the courts and the legislator should be blocking it.

 

[Lance_Castro]

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[LLCox]

Using war powers to end run around the law is what the courts will be discussing. Both the courts and the legislator should be blocking it.

I said when trump was elected that everything was going to become an emergency.

 

[ll74]

I said when trump was elected that everything was going to become an emergency.

You were correct. And since emergency powers are temporary, he finds new ones that extend his lawlessness.

 

[HisArpy]

Using war powers to end run around the law is what the courts will be discussing. Both the courts and the legislator should be blocking it.

What part of "lack of jurisdiction" don't you understand?

The courts can argue and discuss whatever they want, it will not give them jurisdiction over a President's war powers. To argue otherwise means that the President is subject to a single judge's determination on how to deploy the military in a war theater.

It also assumes the President doesn't have sole Constitutional or Congressional authority to use the WPA or the AUMF.

Basically you attempt to insert the court as a figurehead over the President in violation of Art II.

 

[ll74]

What part of "lack of jurisdiction" don't you understand?

The courts can argue and discuss whatever they want, it will not give them jurisdiction over a President's war powers. To argue otherwise means that the President is subject to a single judge's determination on how to deploy the military in a war theater.

It also assumes the President doesn't have sole Constitutional or Congressional authority to use the WPA or the AUMF.

Basically you attempt to insert the court as a figurehead over the President in violation of Art II.

I don't. The court has the right to review...as does the legislator. This President is throwing shit at the fan to get away with shit he shouldn't be. Autocracies don't belong here.

We aren't at war. Venezuela is not engaged in hostile action against the country.

 

[HisArpy]

I don't. The court has the right to review...as does the legislator. This President is throwing shit at the fan to get away with shit he shouldn't be. Autocracies don't belong here.

We aren't at war. Venezuela is not engaged in hostile action against the country.

The court has no "right of review."

This is what "lack of jurisdiction" means.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

What part of "lack of jurisdiction" don't you understand?

The courts can argue and discuss whatever they want, it will not give them jurisdiction over a President's war powers. To argue otherwise means that the President is subject to a single judge's determination on how to deploy the military in a war theater.

It also assumes the President doesn't have sole Constitutional or Congressional authority to use the WPA or the AUMF.

Basically you attempt to insert the court as a figurehead over the President in violation of Art II.

Rapey, you crippled idiot, you aren't at war.

Unless your name is wat, then you're at war with your sexuality.

 

[ll74]

The court has no "right of review."

This is what "lack of jurisdiction" means.

If course it does. No war has been declared by anyone. Using war powers outside of actual war is unconstitutional.

Adding - the last time that this order was used, multiple cases were brought before the courts in challenge.

 

[ll74]

From the Brennan Center

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-w...vokes-alien-enemies-act-brennan-center-reacts

"The president is invoking the Alien Enemies Act to try to dispense with due process. He wants to bypass any need to provide evidence or to convince a judge that someone is actually a gang member before deporting them. The only reason to invoke such a power is to try to enable sweeping detentions and deportations of Venezuelans based on their ancestry, not on any gang activity that could be proved in immigration proceedings.

“This power grab is flagrantly illegal.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Fuck, he didn't die.

 

[John_von_Neumann]

Rapey should try going to law school.