Trump fucks up again. Ukraine negotiation goes sideways

[jason28053]

Disaster in the Oval Office: Dems lead Zelensky, Ukraine off a cliff with pressure to reject mineral deal​

By
Michael Goodwin
Published March 1, 2025, 9:27 p.m. ET

A common criticism of Volodymyr Zelensky’s disastrous Friday performance in the Oval Office is that he failed to read the room.
Actually, the Ukrainian president did read a room — but it was the wrong room.

Before meeting President Trump, Zelensky met with anti-Trump Democrats who advised him to reject the terms of the mineral deal that the president was offering, according to Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.).

“Just finished a meeting with President Zelensky here in Washington. He confirmed that the Ukrainian people will not support a fake peace agreement where Putin gets everything he wants and there are no security arrangements for Ukraine,” Murphy’s office posted on X at 11:15 a.m. Friday.
He attached a picture of Zelensky at a conference table, with Murphy seated on the opposite side.

Forty minutes later, Zelensky arrived at the White House, where Trump met his car, smiled, shook his hand and walked him into the Oval Office.

https://nypost.com/2025/03/01/opini...a-cliff-with-pressure-to-reject-mineral-deal/

Democrats were behind the Oval Office failure in between Trump and Zelensky. Trump should investigate them and charge them under two Federal statutes. They violated the Logan Act and failed to register as foreign agents.

“Forty minutes later, Zelensky arrived at the White House, where Trump met his car, smiled, shook his hand and walked him into the Oval Office”
You forgot the part where trump insults Zelenskyy about what he is wearing.

 

[icanhelp1]

That is the opposite of what an evil despicable person would do.

Subterfuge is an evil tactic, democrats always resort to subterfuge.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Yup! At the beginning of Putin's invasion I also wrote "in for the penny in for the pound". Why don't you research some of my other earlier post. I was a strong proponent of a direct NATO faceoff with Putin, Giving Putin an ultimatum. I was convinced we could not allow another Obama type response to Russia. I also wrote we should have responded with overwhelming NATO force. Biden dragged his feet, NATO failed to provide maximum push back at that time where Russian troops would have been decimated, similar to the Iraqi highway of hell.

Sure you were....

Everyone on lit would luv to give the fucker a good dose of lead poisoning. He'll get his, sooner or later he'll get his. For now we have to dance around a nuclear exchange.

No, what we don’t need is a rogue speaker telling the world that the US is in it for the win?? What the fuck does that mean exactly. Threatening a nuclear superpower of its coming demise. Do you actually think Putin is just going to sit around and take Nancy’s bullshit. We should be looking for a way to end this brinkmanship not feed it. However we aid Ukraine with armaments should be done behind the scenes. That fucking lunatic of a speaker is not SoS.

I understand what’s going on in Ukraine. I’m not for turning our back on them. I served for a good portion of the Cold War so I have a grasp at what’s at stake. I have a problem with our feckless political elites. I’ve written on several occasions that we should have transferred military assets from Germany to Poland and make Poland a mini superpower and fuck those snotty fucking Germans. When times were good they threw caution to the wind. For years we made feckless demands on NATO to pull their own weight and put more into their own defense and now the shit hits the fan and they‘re unprepared. In my opinion it’s time to balance the load, they didn’t pay then so let them pay now ( European NATO members ) We have major problems on our home front which are being ignored by our corrupt self serving political elites.

I’ll ask you a question, the way this crisis is being handled right now how long before we reach a resolution? 1 year, 5 years, maybe in perpetuity. Zelensky is hell bent on pushing the Russians clear out of the Crimea, the Donets, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia. At what point does Zelensky rethink his position, what part is a pipe dream and what part leads to nuclear annihilation. They can’t beat Russia with the current strategy. Either NATO goes all in or get the fuck out. Putin sits back and pulls the strings knowing full well his country is off limits from the carnage that he imposes on Ukrainian.

And I might add that our virtue signaling fat cats are doing the same fucking thing, pulling strings, committing taxpayer money to a losing strategy, most are wealthy so it doesn’t affect them. War is pain but we have politicians that treat it like a video game.

 

[Lance_Castro]

Trump doesn't want peace, he wants Ukraine to capitulate.

The USA is trying to beat France’s record of surrenders.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

The USA is trying to beat France’s record of surrenders.

Oh that's low....so low.....and fucking funny!!!!

 

[icanhelp1]

Sure you were....

There is a chronological order to my comments. We had a military advantage at the beginning, then Biden dragged his feet and the war became much more complicated and more difficult. What's your remedy other than TDS.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Another hypocrtical pro-Putin sellout from the Trump Administration. Really, I had no idea they would sink this low. This is disgusting.

There are real live people living on that occupied land who've been subject to the worse kinds of rape, torture and degradation on a daily basis for 3 years, and wanting to save them is "just too far"? Lack of morality much?

 

[whiskeytangofoxtrot]

Another hypocrtical pro-Putin sellout from the Trump Administration. Really, I had no idea they would sink this low. This is disgusting.

There are real live people living on that occupied land who've been subject to the worse kinds of rape, torture and degradation on a daily basis for 3 years, and wanting to save them is "just too far"? Lack of morality much?

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Don't expect much from Lutnick or any other appartchik from this administration. The government of the least qualified parroting russian speaking points over and over. Most of these yoyo's would fail a civics class or a poli sci class. Unless they could spell with the R's reversed.

 

[Bn2f]

The USA is trying to beat France’s record of surrenders.

I agree. This is about the funniest thing you’ve said here! Good job.

 

[ChloeTzang]

UK Prime Minister Starmer has a sound peace plan that will work. The Trump Administration needs to STFU and sit this one out. They have now proved sufficiently that they are on Putin's side.

 

[ChloeTzang]

What can I say. If Trump does this, he's the biggest traitor since Benedict Arnold. Guess I'll have to hold my nose and vote Democrat in 2028.

And I know, I know, you told me so. No need to rub it in further. If Trump does this, that's beyond the pale. Never believed he would do anything like this, but if he does, well, I've always voted GOP but THIS is a game changer for me.

 

[whiskeytangofoxtrot]

What can I say. If Trump does this, he's the biggest traitor since Benedict Arnold. Guess I'll have to hold my nose and vote Democrat in 2028.

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wow that took a long time to get the message from Moscow.

 

[ChloeTzang]

No idea if this is true but it should be.....

 

[ChloeTzang]

Chloe VOTED FOR TRUMP, so…

Yeah yeah yeah. Rub it in.

 

[Lazaran]

Yeah yeah yeah. Rub it in.

I actually deleted that post because I felt it was beginning to be overkill…

 

[Lazaran]

What can I say. If Trump does this, he's the biggest traitor since Benedict Arnold. Guess I'll have to hold my nose and vote Democrat in 2028.

And I know, I know, you told me so. No need to rub it in further. If Trump does this, that's beyond the pale. Never believed he would do anything like this, but if he does, well, I've always voted GOP but THIS is a game changer for me.

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A whole lot of “ifs” in there…





The fact that the rapey, racist, misogynistic, corrupt orange traitor is even CONSIDERING cutting off aid to Ukraine is ANOTHER disqualifying action.



Also:

It’s pathetic that cutting off aid to Ukraine is the deal breaker for Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang.



JFC

SAD!!!

 

[Pad_Foot]

If you’re kissng ‘resident ‘rump’s

ass, then you’re tasting Putin’s cum

No way Putin got buttfucked

‘rump on the other hand learned how to take it up the ass from his teacher, Roy Cohn, way back when Roy and Russia created the “Trump” we know today

 

[ChloeTzang]

Ukraine has become a casualty of America’s culture war​

It was less a diplomatic summit than a televised takedown. ‘Great television’, Donald Trump grinned at the end. Volodymyr Zelensky, who had come to the White House seeking American backing for a minerals deal and tolerable terms of peace, didn’t just leave empty handed. That meeting plunged Ukraine into its worst crisis since the beginning of Russia’s full-scale invasion. Most analysis of Friday’s blow-up between the US and Ukrainian presidents has overlooked Trump’s ‘great television’ quip. But it’s key to understanding the whole fiasco. It suggests the slapdown was to play to the gallery of American citizens watching on. It was to broadcast one message: Donald J Trump and JD Vance are putting ‘America First’. To underscore the point, within minutes, White House social-media accounts posted a picture of the Stars and Stripes alongside the tagline, ‘AMERICA FIRST’.

When the vice-president started to unload both barrels on Zelensky, it was clear Vance’s real beef was not with the actual Ukrainian president, but with the feverish caricature that Zelensky has become for the American right. For too many MAGA followers, Zelensky and Ukraine have come to embody the globalist elite they loathe – warmongering, corrupt and more interested in those who live far away than Americans at home. To them, Ukraine is not a country fighting for independence, but a cesspool of deep-state cash and shady ‘biolabs’. This is this idol that Trump and Vance wanted to topple in the White House, in front of the world’s media. This is why Vance snarled, ‘Have you said thank you once?’, even though he surely knows Zelensky has thanked America and its leaders for their support endless times. For the Trumpists, the US’s support for Ukraine’s self-defence has come to symbolise how America is supposedly being taken advantage of by the rest of the world.

Another telling moment was when Trump launched into an extended monologue about Russiagate and Hunter Biden. He even growled that he and Putin ‘went through a hell of a lot’ together. Trump wasn’t really discussing geopolitics here. He was settling scores with those Democrats who promoted the Russiagate conspiracy theory during his first presidency. Zelensky’s absorption into the American culture war is not his fault, but it is a disaster for Ukraine. As a result, his pleas – about Russia’s tendency to ignore ceasefires, or about Ukraine’s heroism or its gratitude to the US – are falling on deaf ears. To Trump’s base, Zelensky is not a legitimate leader, but an international ‘welfare queen’. Perhaps Zelensky does not yet grasp how much has changed since Trump took over. After the debacle in the White House, American officials issued a clear warning: Trump is playing a new game, and Zelensky has missed it. ‘There is a new sheriff in town’, as Vance said in Munich last month – and his name is Donald J Trump.

This sheriff demands respect. What Trump wants is for Zelensky to show gratitude and voice no dissent. Zelensky’s ill-judged suggestion in the Oval Office that the consequences of Russia’s aggression might one day be felt on US soil seemed especially to enrage Trump. After all, Trump is promising a new ‘golden age’ for America. The Ukrainian president was suggesting there might be some cracks in that plan. Perhaps Zelensky could have played the supplicant, signalling that he gets what Trump wants. Ukraine’s pride – no doubt one reason for its stunning resistance to Russia – makes that difficult. But would groveling have changed anything in the grand scheme of things? If Zelensky had knelt before the new emperor, would he have earned his support? Trump sometimes bends to flattery, but Vance seemed determined to ensure that wouldn’t happen this time. He wanted to humiliate Zelensky, not find a compromise.

Could there also have been a geopolitical motive for scolding Zelensky so harshly? Beyond getting the TV moment, perhaps Trump and Vance want Zelensky’s silence so that they can dictate peace terms to him. As Trump wrote on Truth Social after the row, Zelensky’s questioning of the viability of a ceasefire is apparently proof he’s ‘not ready for peace’. ‘Ready’ seems to mean that the Ukrainians should mute any objections to a deal that’s being carved up over their heads between the White House and the Kremlin.
While Zelensky was clearly shocked by the frosty reception he got in the White House, he should also be wary of the warm words coming from Europe. European leaders’ pledges to back Ukraine now ring as hollow as America’s talk of achieving a just peace. This is not just because Europe lacks the military muscle (Keir Starmer’s vow of ‘boots on the ground’ came hedged with pleas for US backup). It’s because Ukraine is also a kind of culture-war cipher for the likes of Starmer and Ursula von der Leyen. They see the Ukrainians as fighting for ‘European values’ and the post-Cold War status quo, rather than their own territory and survival.

Since Friday, French president Emmanuel Macron has thanked Ukraine for fighting for ‘the security of Europe’. Belgium’s PM said Ukrainians were fighting ‘our fight’. Sweden’s PM said they were fighting for the freedom of ‘all of Europe’ – words echoed by Starmer when he hosted Zelensky in London on Sunday. In the narcissistic imagination of Europe’s post-historical leaders, Ukrainians are dying to allow Western Europe to continue its holiday from history, where it need not worry too much about the messiness of geopolitics. Zelensky is understandably keen to hedge his bets. Every weapon or tranche of funding secured in Europe is undoubtedly a win for him. But Europe is in no position to secure Ukraine’s future alone. Not just because it lacks the means, but also because its leaders have no genuine interest in securing Ukraine’s sovereignty. The EU and Starmer, after all, do not really believe in self-determination or in the importance of nationhood.

If Trump’s ‘peace’ plans come to nothing, Ukraine will return to the position it found itself at the beginning of the war: able to call only on meagre support and reliant on its own strength and wit to fight back. After three years, only Ukraine knows how much it has left to give.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/03/03/ukraine-has-become-a-casualty-of-americas-culture-war/

 

[ChloeTzang]

A whole lot of “ifs” in there…

The fact that the rapey, racist, misogynistic, corrupt orange traitor is even CONSIDERING cutting off aid to Ukraine is ANOTHER disqualifying action.



Also:

It’s pathetic that cutting off aid to Ukraine is the deal breaker for Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang.

JFC

SAD!!!

He can talk all he wants but actions speak a lot louder than words.

 

[icanhelp1]

He can talk all he wants but actions speak a lot louder than words.

An interesting tidbit, General (ret) Wesley Clark shared some interesting facts about Biden's Ukraine funding endeavor, not only did he slow walk weapons support to Ukraine but sent them inoperable weapon systems. Clark, Like Keane, criticized Biden's slow walking weapons at the worst possible time, at the beginning of the conflict.

 

[Politruk]

Wanting peace makes us a bad guy??

Siding with Russia does.

 

[Politruk]

Subterfuge is an evil tactic, democrats always resort to subterfuge.

There was no subterfuge on Murphy's part.

 

[Deleted member 1215945]

America Is Gone – Europe Must Replace It​

Sierakowski, Sławomir. “America Is Gone – Europe Must Replace It.” German Council on Foreign Relations. March 2025.

Donald Trump and JD Vance’s verbal assault on Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in the Oval Office was shocking but not surprising. As the Trump administration rapidly destroys America’s credibility and international standing, Europe must mobilize its ample resources to replace America as a global leader. Donald Trump and JD Vance’s verbal assault on Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in the Oval Office will mark February 28, 2025, as an infamous moment in American and world history. The United States is rapidly destroying its good name and alienating everyone except the world’s most brutal dictators. The damage to America’s credibility and reputation will take decades to repair – and may be irreparable. More broadly, with the end of the postwar US-centered international order, we are witnessing the collapse of any global authority. As rogue states seek to capitalize on the chaos, Europe must step up and assume the role once played by the US. That starts by fully supporting Ukraine in the face of Russian aggression....

This line of thought seems to be where Europe is now going. Another indicator that while the USA is important, Trump and Vance are, in the eyes of Europe, sidelining the USA and Europe is taking this seriously and stepping up. As for defense capabilities, Germany’s industrial base is sufficient to arm the continent, while France and Britain’s nuclear umbrella can replace America’s.....

https://dgap.org/en/research/publications/america-gone-europe-must-replace-it

Fuck The MAGAt NAZI and his butt boy J.D. those fuckers embarrass me as a U.S.citizen. FAFO MAGAts. Should have been Harris.

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[Lance_Castro]

Should have been Harris.

At least Zelensky would have gotten a blowjob.

 

[Lazaran]

He can talk all he wants but actions speak a lot louder than words.

Words have consequences when they come from THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.



Hope that helps.