For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[ChloeTzang]

At least the Biden Administration did something worthwhile before they closed down

 

[ChloeTzang]

Trump's really going all out to antagonize everyone.....

White House official pushes to axe Canada from Five Eyes intelligence group​

A top White House official has proposed expelling Canada from the Five Eyes intelligence-sharing network as Donald Trump increases pressure on the country he talks about turning into the 51st US state. Peter Navarro, one of the US president’s closest advisers, is pushing for the US to remove Canada from the Five Eyes — which also includes the UK, Australia and New Zealand — according to people familiar with his efforts inside the administration. Trump has said he wants to annex Canada and has vowed to press ahead with 25 per cent tariffs on imports from the country when a one-month reprieve elapses on March 4.
https://www.ft.com/content/2dfa3c11-64a7-49f6-83df-939b8d1cfb8e

I can't see Australia, New Zealand or the UK accepting that....

 

[ll74]

Trump's really going all out to antagonize everyone.....

White House official pushes to axe Canada from Five Eyes intelligence group​

A top White House official has proposed expelling Canada from the Five Eyes intelligence-sharing network as Donald Trump increases pressure on the country he talks about turning into the 51st US state. Peter Navarro, one of the US president’s closest advisers, is pushing for the US to remove Canada from the Five Eyes — which also includes the UK, Australia and New Zealand — according to people familiar with his efforts inside the administration. Trump has said he wants to annex Canada and has vowed to press ahead with 25 per cent tariffs on imports from the country when a one-month reprieve elapses on March 4.
https://www.ft.com/content/2dfa3c11-64a7-49f6-83df-939b8d1cfb8e

I can't see Australia, New Zealand or the UK accepting that....

Foreign policy was always my concern before the election. I was hoping I was wrong. I was not. This administration is a disaster for foreign policy.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Getting serious three years on.....Trump can put this down on his "five things I accomplished today" list

 

[ChloeTzang]

Foreign policy was always my concern before the election. I was hoping I was wrong. I was not. This administration is a disaster for foreign policy.

It's like they do not understand foreign policy.

Fine, change things. Reealign. Reprioritize. Shake things up. But don't antagonize every ally you have because they will move on and when you need them, they won't be there.

At this point, there's now some serious rethinks going on everywhere in the world that there are agreements with the USA and the realignments that come out of this will NOT be favorable to the USA. It's rank idiocy.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Case in point....this is way bigger than just Ukraine. Trump has taken what everyone thought was a joke and made it into a serious issue. We may joke about Canada but they have a serious case of fucked off going on here. Look to Canada to now turn to Europe and China. That is NOT in our interests at all.

 

[ChloeTzang]

You can't get more centrist than Biden/Harris.

LOL. Let's stay real here.

 

[ll74]

It's like they do not understand foreign policy.

Fine, change things. Reealign. Reprioritize. Shake things up. But don't antagonize every ally you have because they will move on and when you need them, they won't be there.

At this point, there's now some serious rethinks going on everywhere in the world that there are agreements with the USA and the realignments that come out of this will NOT be favorable to the USA. It's rank idiocy.

It's amazing to me how historical alliances are so poorly understood by MAGA.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Meanwhile in Ukraine, the guys who Trump thinks are going to win this war are going green....

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[ChloeTzang]

It's amazing to me how historical alliances are so poorly understood by MAGA.

Those who do not study history....and so many Americans do not. It's always been my interest, and I always find it mind-boggling at how little most people I know, know about history outside the USA, and how ill-informed they are. Our news media does not help of course.

You keep saying the things I'm thinking. It's like all this bullshit on Ukraine - the current Administration understands almost nothing about Russia and Ukraine.

 

[ll74]

Those who do not study history....and so many Americans do not. It's always been my interest, and I always find it mind-boggling at how little most people I know, know about history outside the USA, and how ill-informed they are. Our news media does not help of course.

I've been rewatching band of brothers/the pacific/master of the air

Watched Schindler's List last week.

So incredibly disappointed in 47.

And yes, I know that world war 2 is a different beast, but our alliances came out of that effort.

 

[Rightguide]

We aren't talking to both sides. We are talking to Russia and capitulating to Russia.

Russia, our adversary, is the aggressor. Ukraine, our ally, is defending itself from the Russian invasion.

You don't know which if any concessions are being made to either side. I will say this, if you think those eastern Russian-speaking provinces in the east will be returned to Ukraine, think again. It won't happen without strict guarantees for the civil rights of those people there. The reality is the Russians have won this war and to the victor goes the spoils. That may not be just but it is the way of the World. Ukraine is not an ally, they are a dependent.

Just now: Kiev is about to sign that deal with Trump, which could change the dynamics on the ground in Ukraine as far as our presence is there is concerned. This could change what I just said above.

 

[ll74]

You don't know which if any concessions are being made to either side. I will say this, if you think those eastern Russian-speaking provinces in the east will be returned to Ukraine, think again. It won't happen without strict guarantees for the civil rights of those people there. The reality is the Russians have won this war and to the victor goes the spoils. That may not be just but it is the way of the World. Ukraine is not an ally, they are a dependent.

Just now: Kiev is about to sign that deal with Trump, which could change the dynamics on the ground in Ukraine as far as our presence is there is concerned. This could change what I just said above.

Publicly, we have capitulated to Russia.

Whether you believe someone is playing 4d chess in private is not my issue.

There is absolutely nothing that forgives what 47 has done in regards to Russia in the public sphere. He has bent over and taken it in the ass from Putin. That is what he has done.

 

[whiskeytangofoxtrot]

I've been rewatching band of brothers/the pacific/master of the air

Watched Schindler's List last week.

So incredibly disappointed in 47.

And yes, I know that world war 2 is a different beast, but our alliances came out of that effort.

We fought against fascism in ww2. Today we are aligning with it. Disgusting.

 

[ll74]

We fought against fascism in ww2. Today we are aligning with it. Disgusting.

Dishonorable and disgusting

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Case in point....this is way bigger than just Ukraine. Trump has taken what everyone thought was a joke and made it into a serious issue. We may joke about Canada but they have a serious case of fucked off going on here. Look to Canada to now turn to Europe and China. That is NOT in our interests at all.

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LOL dumbfuck, we've been saying this all along......

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Ya stupid dunce, if you want to bring the war to an end you have to talk to both sides including the Russians.

By your own words.....Trump is only talking to Russia.

Here, see him say that with his own lips.

So Russia is at war with itself?> With USA....????

 

[Lazaran]

LOL dumbfuck, we've been saying this all along......

Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang will NOT admit they were WRONG, and they will go on pretending that “no one knew” what would happen once President Musk (and DonOld) took office.



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang will NOT admit they were WRONG, and they will go on pretending that “no one knew” what would happen once President Musk (and DonOld) took office.



We. Told. Them. So.

Chloe, ignored me a long time back. The truth hurt then, it hurts even more now.....

 

[ll74]

Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang will NOT admit they were WRONG, and they will go on pretending that “no one knew” what would happen once President Musk (and DonOld) took office.



We. Told. Them. So.

She admitted she was wrong. Multiple times in this thread.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

She admitted she was wrong. Multiple times in this thread.

And you think that makes her what? She voted for Trump, she owns this.....fuck her if she's sorry about it. People are dying because of who she voted for. She can own that.

 

[ll74]

And you think that makes her what? She voted for Trump, she owns this.....fuck her if she's sorry about it. People are dying because of who she voted for. She can own that.

I'm not saying she is anything.

I'm simply pointing out the incorrect statement.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

I'm simply pointing out the incorrect statement.

What you are pointing out, is she said she was wrong about what Trump would do about Ukraine. If you think that makes her any less wrong, that's you're right. Laz doesn't, and neither do I.

 

[ll74]

What you are pointing out, is she said she was wrong about what Trump would on Ukraine. If you think that makes her any less wrong, that's you're right. Laz doesn't, and neither do I.

She admitted she was wrong about 47.
That is what I'm pointing out.

Laz said she didn't do so.

I don't give a fuck about your other horseshit.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

She admitted she was wrong about 47.
That is what I'm pointing out.

Laz said she didn't do so.

No she admitted she was wrong about what she thought Trump would do in regards to Ukraine. Not that she was wrong about voting for Trump, she's still cheerleading on the other fronts.