Do you own your body?

[UltraChad]

Amputees are obviously baby butchers.

Oh look someone else desperately trying to pretend they aren't humans until the paperwork is filed!!

 

[ll74]

Oh look someone else desperately trying to pretend they aren't humans until the paperwork is filed!!

I was just focused on the DNA.

 

[UltraChad]

I was just focused on the DNA.

Whatever makes you feel better about all the kids you've paid to shopvac.

 

[ll74]

Whatever makes you feel better about all the kids you've paid to shopvac.

Kids aren't involved in termination of a pregnancy.

I don't need to feel better about it. I have no issue.

You want me to feel bad about it. You want others to feel bad about me for it.

 

[UltraChad]

Kids aren't involved in termination of a pregnancy.

Whatever lies you have to tell yourself.

I don't need to feel better about it.

I'm sure you don't. You probably smiled every time.

You need me to feel bad about it.

Nah I don't think you have enough of a soul to feel anything about it except possibly joy at destroying your own gene pool like most (D)erps do.

 

[ll74]

Whatever lies you have to tell yourself.

You're the one who has issues with my position.

I'm sure you don't. You probably smiled every time.

This is an odd statement.

Nah I don't think you have enough of a soul to feel anything about it except possibly joy at destroying your own gene pool like most (D)erps do.

Again - you seem to continue to believe I have an issue here. You're the one coping here about my position. I have no issue with abortion, at all.

 

[UltraChad]

You're the one who has issues with my position.

Nope, I just don't accept the lies and cope around it.

You want to shopvac your own kids that's good for me.

I have no issue with abortion, at all.

For the 900 billionth fuckin' time I understand you're all about butchering babies. Standard Democrat.

 

[ll74]

Nope, I just don't accept the lies and cope around it.

I haven't lied.

You want to shopvac your own kids that's good for me.

I don't have any desire to do anything to my kids

For the 900 billionth fuckin' time I understand you're all about butchering babies. Standard Democrat.

You keep changing definitions, ignoring medical facts and assigning guilt to me that doesn't exist. You're the one who needs my position to be one of conflict, when I have no conflict about it.

And no matter how hard you try to make that conflict about me and change definitions to attempt to obfuscate realitty, it's still your conflict about my position that is the issue here.

 

[UltraChad]

I haven't lied.

You keep pretending it's not a real person until the paperwork has been filed.

That's a fuckin' lie.

I don't have any desire to do anything to my kids

So you've never aborted any of your offspring.

Why act as though you had?

You keep changing definitions, ignoring medical facts

No. I'm not the one hiding behind definitions to ignore medical facts.

And no matter how hard you try to make that conflict about me and change definitions to attempt to obfuscate realitty, it's still your conflict about my position that is the issue here.

No, it's not. You support chopping the kids up.

We got it the first 9 million trillion bazzilion times.

 

[ll74]

You keep pretending it's not a real person until the paperwork has been filed.

I haven't pretended anything of the sort.

That's a fuckin' lie.

The definitions of a person starts at birth. Before then, it's a fetus or a zygote or an embryo....depending on the stages of pregnancy.

You are the one who has an issue with those terms and definitions.

So you've never aborted any of your offspring.

Nope. Technically Ive experienced my wife having a miscarriage, which is similar. I'm unsure if that is defined as an abortion...if it is, then I would change my answer accordingly. I don't consider it to be, but it wouldn't bother me to be incorrect.

Why act as though you had?

I haven't acted at all. You've ascribed this to me.

No. I'm not the one hiding behind definitions to ignore medical facts.

I haven't

No, it's not. You support chopping the kids up.

Kids don't exist until after pregnancy has concluded.

We got it the first 9 million trillion bazzilion times.

Then why do you keep making this about me?

Oh right ...because you don't get it.

 

[TastySuckToy]

It is the ULTIMATE ID.

DNA is a useful identifier, I agree there.

Yes, they objectively and demonstrably do in the womb.

So you actually believe human beings can exist without a brain. So if the brain isn't there, where are the human memories, perceptions and personhood coming from?

You existed before you had a brain.

No, I didn't. My DNA did, the early formation of my body did, but me the person, as in personhood, did not. That requires things like memories and perception, which requires a brain.

You disagree, and therefore you are disgreeing with biological science.

 

[UltraChad]

DNA is a useful identifier, I agree there.

Again, it's the ULTIMATE ID. It literally defines who you are at the molecular level.

So you actually believe human beings can exist without a brain.

It's a demonstrable reality. YOU existed without a brain.

No, I didn't. My DNA did, the early formation of my body did, but me the person, as in personhood, did not.

Yes you did, you can't separate the two.

That requires things like memories and perception, which requires a brain.

Humans don't have memories or perception until well into toddlerhood.

Are infants not real humans??

You disagree, and therefore you are disgreeing with biological science.

I'm not the one disagreeing with biological science here and making up some arbitrary start of life requiring things like memories and perception.

Babies who have neither of those things are individual unique human lives too.

But I have no doubt you support butchering them till age 3 or 4 right? The autistic ones you can take out till age 12 just to be sure...they aren't REAL people right?? LOL fucking piece of shit.

 

[ll74]

Again, it's the ULTIMATE ID. It literally defines who you are at the molecular level.



It's a demonstrable reality. YOU existed without a brain.



Yes you did, you can't separate the two.



Humans don't have memories or perception until well into toddlerhood.

Are infants not real humans??


I'm not the one disagreeing with biological science here and making up some arbitrary start of life requiring things like memories and perception.

Babies who have neither of those things are individual unique human lives too.

But I have no doubt you support butchering them till age 3 or 4 right? The autistic ones you can take out till age 12 just to be sure...they aren't REAL people right?? LOL fucking piece of shit.

Neat.....so people exist without brains

 

[TastySuckToy]

Again, it's the ULTIMATE ID. It literally defines who you are at the molecular level.

No, it doesn't. Just like how someone's DNA that gives them poor eyesight doesn't define who they are as a human being. It just means their eyesight is poorer than others.

It's a demonstrable reality. YOU existed without a brain.

No, I didn't.

Yes you did, you can't separate the two.

No, I didn't.

By your logic, if we correct someone's DNA for something like bad eyesight, we fundamentally changed the nature of their humanity.

No we didn't. We just fixed their eyesight.

Humans don't have memories or perception until well into toddlerhood.

False. As soon as the human brain begins operating, it starts accumulating massive amounts of sensory input information as it begins to construct mental models of the world.

Perhaps you should avoid bringing up subjects you know nothing about, like human cognitive development.

Are infants not real humans??

I already answered this. They have functioning human brains, so yes they are.

I'm not the one disagreeing with biological science here and making up some arbitrary start of life requiring things like memories and perception.

I never said life requires memories and perception. My heart does not have memories or perceptions, and it is very much alive and an example of life.

I'm saying human beings are the sum of their memories, perceptions, thoughts, etc. All the input and output that is done via the human brain. That is what a human being is.

Babies who have neither of those things are individual unique human lives too.

You're just displaying your enormous ignorance of human congnitive development here.

But I have no doubt you support butchering them till age 3 or 4 right? The autistic ones you can take out till age 12 just to be sure...they aren't REAL people right?? LOL fucking piece of shit.

Interesting. You scream and yell about how the lefties here totally misrepresent your position and completely make up positions you don't hold, but it's suddenly okay when you do it?

 

[UltraChad]

No, it doesn't. Just like how someone's DNA that gives them poor eyesight doesn't define who they are as a human being. It just means their eyesight is poorer than others.

JFC.....I can't even work with this.

Which in arguably the most real way possible defines who they are.

LOL I give up man, CHOP EM UP TILL AGE 18 IT'S THE ONLY WAY TO BE SURE!!!!

 

[TastySuckToy]

JFC.....I can't even work with this.

Translation: you can't refute biological science and reality.

Which in arguably the most real way possible defines who they are.

An individual's brain and how it developed and developes defines who they are.

LOL I give up man, CHOP EM UP TILL AGE 18 IT'S THE ONLY WAY TO BE SURE!!!!

Back to your tactic of making up stupid positions others never subscribe to.

You've lost any credibility to complain about anyone misrepresenting your position, since this is twice nkw you've done it yourself.

Good job.

 

[UltraChad]

Translation: you can't refute biological science and reality.

Your arbitrary made up standard of having memories isn't biological science.

An individual's brain and how it developed and developes defines who they are.

And what determines that??

You've lost any credibility to complain

OH NOES THE KIDDY CHOPPER SAYS I LOST CREDIBILITY!!!

Get fucked with a cactus commie scum.

 

[TastySuckToy]

Your arbitrary made up standard of having memories isn't biological science.

Memories are not a made up standard of biological science.

And what determines that??

Sensory input that the human brain trains itself on.

OH NOES THE KIDDY CHOPPER SAYS I LOST CREDIBILITY!!!

Get fucked with a cactus commie scum.

Yes, you name calling is totally a convincing argument, and not at all an indication how badly you got your ass handed to you with logic, facts and science.

 

[UltraChad]

Memories are not a made up standard of biological science.

No they are just made up.

Sensory input that the human brain trains itself on.

And where did it get the program for that??

Babies brains aren't trained on shit...are they NOT human beings??

Yes, you name calling is totally a convincing argument, and not at all an indication how badly you got your ass handed to you with logic, facts and science.

Made up bullshit isn't logic, facts or science.

 

[TastySuckToy]

No they are just made up.

Memories are all just made up. Cool.

Thanks for publicly admitting I'm 100% correct and you're 100% wrong.

It's a great memory!

And where did it get the program for that??

UltraChad thinks brains have 'programs'.

Babies brains aren't trained on shit...

UltraChad thinks baby brains can't learn.

are they NOT human beings??

I already said babies are human beings. And they're human beings because they have functioning human brains.

How you don't understand that is hilarious.

Made up bullshit isn't logic, facts or science.

Does this mean you're going to stop spewing it then?

 

[UltraChad]

Does this mean you're going to stop spewing it then?

As soon as you die screaming in a fire.

God damn communist filth.... hopefully you guys are right after all the illegals.

 

[TastySuckToy]

As soon as you die screaming in a fire.

So you admit you're spewing bullshit.

Glad you decided to come clean.

 

[UltraChad]

So you admit you're spewing bullshit.

Glad you decided to come clean.

Where did you see that?? Cite?? I just want commie scum like you purged with the jihadi and cartel trash that's being taken out currently. With fire preferably.

The only ones spewing bullshit here are you and the other coping kiddy butchers.

 

[TastySuckToy]

Where did you see that?? Cite??

UltraChad doesn't understand basic English.

I just want commie scum like you purged with the jihadi and cartel trash that's being taken out currently. With fire preferably.

UltraChad advocating death threats against forum members who beat him senseless with logic, reasoning and science.

 

[UltraChad]

UltraChad doesn't understand basic English.

Of course I do that's why you don't have a cite.

UltraChad advocating death threats against forum members who beat him senseless with logic, reasoning and science.

Cope because you're a horrible person who gets off on aborting kids isn't logic, reasoning or science.