Do you own your body?

[BabyBoomer50s]

This was before the Dobbs decision. Still holds true. Vice President Vance, who spoke to the pro-life audience today agrees. The OP, probably not so much.

 

[TastySuckToy]

This was before the Dobbs decision. Still holds true. Vice President Vance, who spoke to the pro-life audience today agrees. The OP, probably not so much.

Prior to about 25 weeks, there is no functioning brain in the fetus. The fetus is alive, and it is human. But it is not a human being. A human being requires a functioning brain (for the sake of argument, I'm dismissing leftists as a sample set).

At around 25 weeks and beyond, it's reasonable to assume we're dealing with a human being, though something of a blank slate one. At that point, I would argue a woman can still terminate the pregnancy at whim, the only caveat being every attempt should be made to not kill the baby. That way her bodily autonomy is completely respected, and the life of the baby is also made a priority as well.

 

[DaddysYogaBabyGirl]

So, will we all be celebrating our conception day? Every birthday celebrates the day you were born. Every tombstone has your birth and death. This is ridiculous.

 

[Mature4P]

America....land of the free

 

[UltraChad]

So, will we all be celebrating our conception day? Every birthday celebrates the day you were born. Every tombstone has your birth and death. This is ridiculous.

Do you believe DNA is a real thing or are you also a biology denier??

 

[Politruk]

Do you believe DNA is a real thing or are you also a biology denier??

What's DNA got to do with it?

 

[Lance_Castro]

So, will we all be celebrating our conception day? Every birthday celebrates the day you were born. Every tombstone has your birth and death. This is ridiculous.

Wouldn’t you rather celebrate your insemination days?

It would be more consistent with your legend.
Lol

 

[UltraChad]

What's DNA got to do with it?

Everything if you're not a biology denier, and you are.

So I'm not going to waste too much time/energy on this. Life begins at conception, and there is no way around that, just like men can't become women.

 

[TastySuckToy]

Life begins at conception

You can argue a unique configuration of human DNA has been created, but until a human brain is in the question, there is no human being yet.

We've had this figured out for some time. That's why medically we acknowledge a human being is dead when they are brain dead.

 

[UltraChad]

You can argue a unique configuration of human DNA has been created, but until a human brain is in the question, there is no human being yet.

Yes I can, it's a unquietly identifiable human life.

It's not INDEPENDENT yet, but it is a unique human life.

 

[TastySuckToy]

Yes I can, it's a unquietly identifiable human life.

It's not INDEPENDENT yet, but it is a unique human life.

There is life, there is human, and then there is human being. Human being requires a human brain, the other two definitions do not.

My heart is alive, my heart is human, my heart has unique DNA, but my heart is not a human being.

If you cannot clearly define what a human being is, then you cannot effectively discuss the abortion debate.

 

[UltraChad]

There is life, there is human, and then there is human being. Human being requires a human brain, the other two definitions do not.

You're just making shit up.

My heart is alive, my heart is human, my heart has unique DNA, but my heart is not a human being.

And if you need a pacemaker, are you no longer a human being??

If you cannot clearly define what a human being is, then you cannot effectively discuss the abortion debate.

It's literally defined by the DNA sequence that it's built upon.

If you deny basic human biology you can't effectively discuss it either.

 

[TastySuckToy]

You're just making shit up.

I'm defining terms clearly.

Do you have a working definition for what is a human being?

It can't be human DNA, since I just pointed out my heart has human DNA, but that doesn't make my heart a human being.

And if you need a pacemaker, are you no longer a human being??

Are you not paying attention? I said a human being is defined by the existence of a functioning human brain.

It's literally defined by the DNA sequence that it's built upon.

DNA is the biological blueprint that builds a human body, including the brain.

Let me put it this way: the blueprint of a house sitting on a builder's desk shows how to build the house. The blueprint isn't actually the house.

If you deny basic human biology you can't effectively discuss it either.

No one is denying basic biology.

 

[ll74]

No one is denying basic biology.

I suggest that someone is denying it. And you've done a good job at explaining what is incorrect about that.

 

[UltraChad]

Do you have a working definition for what is a human being?

A uniquely identifiable human life.

It can't be human DNA, since I just pointed out my heart has human DNA, but that doesn't make my heart a human being.

An embryo/zygote is not only a lot more than just DNA and is different than your body parts or boogers and you know it.

DNA is the biological blueprint that builds a human body, including the brain.

Yes, but an embryo/zygote/fetus is more than just DNA. The DNA is just the ID tag, which gets issued at conception for all life that comes from sexual reproduction.

No one is denying basic biology.

Ok so life for all sexually reproducing species on this planet, for each and every individual organism, life starts at conception. It's really not really all that contested a concept in the scientific community. The real issue is not a biological one. In fact the biology grounds the reality that this has nothing to do with the life aspect. Abortion is the killing of a uniquely identifiable human being.....and any BS'ing about that is cope.

The real issue is the legal one.

When and under what conditions does that life have legal rights and where EXACTLY do they butt up with the rights of the mothers bodily autonomy. Obviously there is a wide spectrum of opinions on that, not so much on when life begins.

 

[UltraChad]

I suggest that someone is denying it. And you've done a good job at explaining what is incorrect about that.

No he's probably just not all that informed.

He's not dishonestly trying to pretend it's not a human life until the paperwork is filed!! to cope about what it is they support like you do.

 

[ll74]

No he's as biologically illiterate as you are.

I support termination of pregnancy at any stage. My biological understanding about what the means isn't an issue.

Also, I understand that termination of pregnancies doesn't involve children or babies, as they are biologically defined outside of pregnancy.

 

[UltraChad]

I support termination of pregnancy at any stage.

I got you the first million fucking times you told us how much you support chopping people up and vac'ing their brains out.

Also, I understand that termination of pregnancies doesn't involve children or babies

Whatever cope you need bud.

You support chopping babies up.

 

[ll74]

I got you the first million fucking times you told us how much you support chopping people up and vac'ing their brains out.

Cool. Good to know.

Whatever cope you need bud.

You support chopping babies up.

In your mind, I do a lot of things that are evil, it seems. I've no issue dancing there for you

 

[TastySuckToy]

A uniquely identifiable human life.

And the identifier is what? Obviously not DNA. My heart has DNA and isn't a human being.

An embryo/zygote is not only a lot more than just DNA and is different than your body parts or boogers and you know it.

Yeah, so stop bringing up things like DNA when you turn right around and say "A lot more to it then that".

No shit, sherlock. Until it has a functioning human brain, it is not a human being.

We can agree it's alive, it's unique, it's human, it has human DNA. My heart meets all those requirements, but my heart isn't a human being.

Yes, but an embryo/zygote/fetus is more than just DNA. The DNA is just the ID tag, which gets issued at conception for all life that comes from sexual reproduction.

An embryo/zygote/fetus is alive, it's human, it has unique DNA, yes we agree on those criteria.

Does it have functioning human brain, or brain at all? If it doesn't, then it isn't a human being.

Do think a human being can exist without a brain?

Ok so life for all sexually reproducing species on this planet, for each and every individual organism, life starts at conception. It's really not really all that contested a concept in the scientific community. The real issue is not a biological one. In fact the biology grounds the reality that this has nothing to do with the life aspect. Abortion is the killing of a uniquely identifiable human being.....and any BS'ing about that is cope.

A human being doesn't exist without a functioning brain.

The real issue is the legal one.

I'm not interested in what government legal definitions exist. By that logic, you agree a man claiming to be a woman is so if the law claims it.

You don't get to use the law as an argument when you only selectively apply and accept it.

When and under what conditions does that life have legal rights and where EXACTLY do they butt up with the rights of the mothers bodily autonomy.

At approximately 25 weeks, when the fetus has developed a brain and it begins firing neuron pathway signals.

It is at that point we have a human being, if admittedly a blank slate one.

Obviously there is a wide spectrum of opinions on that, not so much on when life begins.

Until the brain physically exists and starts functioning, we're not talking about a human being. All human beings require a functioning human brain.

No one freaks out when we can keep human bodies alive, the brain is dead, and therefore we therefore claim the human being is dead (standard medical practice for determining a person is dead).

Even though the brain dead body is alive, is human, and has unique DNA, it is no longer a human being. That's why we declare the person dead at that point.

 

[UltraChad]

And the identifier is what? Obviously not DNA. My heart has DNA and isn't a human being.

Can you not be ID'ed by your DNA???

Until it has a functioning human brain, it is not a human being.

Whatever cope you need to tell yourself baby butcher.

 

[ll74]

 

[TastySuckToy]

Can you not be ID'ed by your DNA???

DNA can indeed be used an an identifier.

So can a nametag, shirt or a hat.

Whatever cope you need to tell yourself baby butcher.

So then your argument is a human being can exist without a functioning human brain.

Ironically, you believing/asserting that could qualify as evidence for the assertion.

 

[ll74]

Amputees are obviously baby butchers.

 

[UltraChad]

DNA can indeed be used an an identifier.

It is the ULTIMATE ID.

So can a nametag, shirt or a hat.

Cope harder.

So then your argument is a human being can exist without a functioning human brain.

Yes, they objectively and demonstrably do in the womb.

You existed before you had a brain.