Donald Trump is jacking up the price of coffee.

[ChloeTzang]

Like buying Greenland?

LOL. The way this is going, we're gonna get Greenland too

 

[Politruk]

LOL. The way this is going, we're gonna get Greenland too

After a war with Denmark breaks up the whole NATO alliance.

 

[ll74]

47 has fucked US farmers, yet again

Top U.S. exports include wheat, corn, cotton, soybeans, and corn gluten feed.

Get ready for more subsidies to farmers.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

47 has fucked US farmers, yet again

Top U.S. exports include wheat, corn, cotton, soybeans, and corn gluten feed.

Get ready for more subsidies to farmers.

Since this thread is about a little trade war tiff with a small Central American president and its impact on US dependency on strategic imports such as roses and coffee, what % of US agriculture exports go to Columbia?

 

[ll74]

Since this thread is about a little trade war tiff with a small Central American president and its impact on US dependency on strategic imports such as roses and coffee, what % of US agriculture exports go to Columbia?

This will impact our farmers. Their margins are already incredibly small.

South America (led by Brazil, Chile, and Colombia) averaged $15.6 billion in U.S. imports from 2017–21

Ag and Food Statistics: Charting the Essentials - Agricultural Trade | Economic Research Service https://search.app/XyMsimvQfAxsvDkm8

 

[Rotadom]

LOL. The way this is going, we're gonna get Greenland too

You think it's going well?

 

[ChloeTzang]

You think it's going well?

Seriously. I have no idea but Trump has some sort of end game in sight. What the heck it is I have no idea, but Greenland is a geopolitical concern. Last thing we want is China in there doig what they have done across half the south pacific. Better if we work out something with Denmark and Greenland and shut China out. There's some long term geopolitical strategizing going on here, and ditto with the Panama Canal. We have to lock that one down too.

As for Canada, I'm sure the 51st state thing started as a joke, but an economic union, and visa-free working relationship with Canada makes a tremendous amount of sense. Currency union, freedom to move and work both ways, free trade - just treat canada as another state - all makes so much sense. Even a common passport if it comes to that.

 

[ll74]

Seriously. I have no idea but Trump has some sort of end game in sight. What the heck it is I have no idea, but Greenland is a geopolitical concern. Last thing we want is China in there doig what they have done across half the south pacific. Better if we work out something with Denmark and Greenland and shut China out. There's some long term geopolitical strategizing going on here, and ditto with the Panama Canal. We have to lock that one down too.

Denmark is in NATO and an ally.
Just asking them to allow us to put more bases there is all it would take.

 

[Rotadom]

Seriously. I have no idea but Trump has some sort of end game in sight. What the heck it is I have no idea, but Greenland is a geopolitical concern. Last thing we want is China in there doig what they have done across half the south pacific. Better if we work out something with Denmark and Greenland and shut China out. There's some long term geopolitical strategizing going on here, and ditto with the Panama Canal. We have to lock that one down too.

How will this bring down the price of groceries and gas?

He has an end game? Does it include finishing the wall and replacing Obamacare? Ya know, his first admin promises?

 

[ChloeTzang]

How will this bring down the price of groceries and gas?

He has an end game? Does it include finishing the wall and replacing Obamacare? Ya know, his first admin promises?

I read Trump's mind about as well as you do. I have no clue.

Gas will come down for sure, and that should brimg groceries down. Finish the wall? Of course he will.

Obamacare? THAT is a biggie and we need RFK in and working to move that one along

 

[ChloeTzang]

Denmark is in NATO and an ally.
Just asking them to allow us to put more bases there is all it would take.

Economic lockout of China is crucial. And that applies to Canada too.

I'd say Mexico but Mexico is a mess and a far bigger issue

But in the end, what do I know? I'm no expert. I just enjoy yapping about it. Your assessment is as good as mine. Or maybe better. LOL. I do enjoy discussing it tho.

 

[jomar]

I don’t make it sound like he’s “afeared of trump.”

Well, maybe it’s what you quoted and left out. By noting that Petro is sending the presidential plane after trump promised sanctions after military planes were denied landing makes it sound like Petro is bowing to trump, when in fact he’s sending plane to provide dignity for Columbian citizens before ng deported.

He’s president of a country that relies on the US market for 28% of its exports. Do you think he has leverage over the US?

No, but like China, they’ll find new buyers. trump’s tariffs are going to backfire on him. He doesn’t understand them.

 

[ll74]

Economic lockout of China is crucial. And that applies to Canada too.

That's not even possible.

 

[Politruk]

Seriously. I have no idea but Trump has some sort of end game in sight. . . . There's some long term geopolitical strategizing going on here

Impossible. He does not have that much imagination.

 

[ChloeTzang]

What we should never forget is that China is now THE competition, and they are intent on asserting themselves as the superpower in Asia at least, and possibly worldwide - the whole Belt and whatever it was initiative is part of that and they are maknig inroads because they take a long term strategic look and we don't.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Impossible. He does not have that much imagination.

May be one of his advisors, who knows. He sucks up stuff from people, you see that happen all the time.

 

[Politruk]

As for Canada, I'm sure the 51st state thing started as a joke, but an economic union, and visa-free working relationship with Canada makes a tremendous amount of sense. Currency union, freedom to move and work both ways, free trade - just treat canada as another state - all makes so much sense. Even a common passport if it comes to that.

What you are describing is the North American Union, which for some reason terrifies the kind of people who most consistently vote for Trump, to the point where they have NWO-grade conspiracy theories about it.

 

[ll74]

What we should never forget is that China is now THE competition, and they are intent on asserting themselves as the superpower in Asia at least, and possibly worldwide - the whole Belt and whatever it was initiative is part of that and they are maknig inroads because they take a long term strategic look and we don't.

I'm absolutely sure that Colombia is on the phone with them currently....all that agriculture.

 

[PersonalFavors]

Aside from oil and gas imports from Columbia are things American's are dependent on.
One does not need caffeine. I will attest I sleep much better than I did before. And I can sleep when I need to. It does not matter if my 7 hours are from 930PM or 1PM. And I can break them up if needed.
Chocolate. How much do I use that is actually from Colombia? Lindt, NEstle, American candy bars and reeces, Toblerone and lately the chocolate chips from wegmans. I like them better than NEstle even if they are a little sweeter. Interesting. Aside from the French colonization of the Ivory coast I don't know where chocolate comes from. Kind of like rubber for your car tires. Don't ask and you won't know.
If legal shipping out of Colombia does decrease it will just be a 2nd layer obstructing illicit drug exports.

 

[ll74]

Aside from oil and gas imports from Columbia are things American's are dependent on.
One does not need caffeine. I will attest I sleep much better than I did before. And I can sleep when I need to. It does not matter if my 7 hours are from 930PM or 1PM. And I can break them up if needed.
Chocolate. How much do I use that is actually from Colombia? Lindt, NEstle, American candy bars and reeces, Toblerone and lately the chocolate chips from wegmans. I like them better than NEstle even if they are a little sweeter. Interesting. Aside from the French colonization of the Ivory coast I don't know where chocolate comes from. Kind of like rubber for your car tires. Don't ask and you won't know.
If legal shipping out of Colombia does decrease it will just be a 2nd layer obstructing illicit drug exports.

Do you not understand that.your personal shopping habits are not demonstrative on how this will impact the US?

All of the ingredients for products also involve those things.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Since this thread is about a little trade war tiff with a small Central American president and its impact on US dependency on strategic imports such as roses and coffee, what % of US agriculture exports go to Columbia?

Interestingly, Columbia and the US executed a free trade agreement (meaning "no tariffs", bobo) in 2012 and Murican exports to Columbia skyrocketed.

When the free trade agreement was signed, the US siphoned off a significant percentage of goods imported to Columbia from other South American and Central American countries (Columbia's historic trading partners).

Since Mango Mussolini got pissy and unilaterally dumped one of his economy-killing tariffs on Columbia, Columbia will likely just shrug and trade with their traditional partners. Since Columbia has a large percentage of the superpremium coffee market, I sincerely doubt there will be any long term effect on Columbia, because they can charge a premium on essentially a commodity product.

The only anticipated shortage import-wise to Columbia in the short term will be pork, which was essentially unknown in Columbia prior to the 2012 trade agreement, so Columbia must source pork from some other country.

 

[PersonalFavors]

What you are describing is the North American Union, which for some reason terrifies the kind of people who most consistently vote for Trump, to the point where they have NWO-grade conspiracy theories about it.

I'm absolutely sure that Colombia is on the phone with them currently....all that agriculture.

You guys live in an imaginary world.
North American Union does not terrify anyone. Canada is a great producer but supply line for production is never completely Canadian. Ever. Plus Trump will keep the finances fair. And after Trump there will be no reason not to. Properly applied tariffs can eliminate income tax. Allowing us to attack our own individual states that unfairly tax property values.
"all that agriculture"??? China's? What is agriculture export from China. I can't imagine it meeting health standards. Maybe antibiotics. But the big pharma got the message from this last regime. We will not be dependent on them forever. Already the science is ours. Production can be moved. It is American, Irish and European countries doing the production in foreign territory now.
China could hurt us on TV's. Our "green" values prevent the production of TV's in the US. We cannot afford to pay off Lurch and Gore.
Does Colombia have cell phones? I know one of their largest imports is broadcasting equipment.

 

[PersonalFavors]

Do you not understand that.your personal shopping habits are not demonstrative on how this will impact the US?

All of the ingredients for products also involve those things.

Not from Columbia.
And I doubt it would have an impact on the US. Not having caffeine or chocolate will hurt the economy or kill anyone.

 

[ll74]

Not from Columbia.
And I doubt it would have an impact on the US. Not having caffeine or chocolate will hurt the economy or kill anyone.

Got it ...so you're just a layman idiot.

 

[jomar]

Seriously. I have no idea but Trump has some sort of end game in sight. What the heck it is I have no idea,

Neither does trump, really. He wings things.

but Greenland is a geopolitical concern. Last thing we want is China in there doig what they have done across half the south pacific. Better if we work out something with Denmark and Greenland and shut China out. There's some long term geopolitical strategizing going on here, and ditto with the Panama Canal. We have to lock that one down too.

Fair on Greenland, see below. Panama Canal, eh, probably noise and distraction, like the gulf.

As for Canada, I'm sure the 51st state thing started as a joke, but an economic union, and visa-free working relationship with Canada makes a tremendous amount of sense. Currency union, freedom to move and work both ways, free trade - just treat canada as another state - all makes so much sense. Even a common passport if it comes to that.

Things with Canada are fine. trump made the bestest NAFTA minor tweak last go round. He’s just getting attention again. Have you got your Gulf of America t-shirt yet?

Denmark is in NATO and an ally.
Just asking them to allow us to put more bases there is all it would take.

Problem is, trump is so transactional he’d want Greenland to pay the US for “protecting” them from China and the Rooskies. He doesn’t get strategic alliances and subtleties. Note he had to be talked off the ledge on South Korea.