Climate change is real. Just accept it.

[BabyBoomer50s]

Governor Gavin Newsom has explained this over and over this week.

It might interest you to know that, despite active retconning from Mar-a-lago, "fire hydrants" are NOT the first line of defense against wildfires in California, and never have been.

What made this series of wildfires particularly bad, Newsom noted, was the accompanying winds blew with lengthy gusts of 80 to 100 miles per hour, which rendered California's first line of defense....a fleet of firefighting planes... unable to fly safely.

So this was not "incompetence", unless you want to believe California democrats are somehow "controlling the weather" (s'okay if you do believe this, btw, you're not alone. See also: Greene, Marjorie Taylor). You believe what you want to believe. All I'm saying is that your opinion is not supported by, you know, facts and stuff.

Comes now the Alternate Science! This morning, the elderly felon wanted the faithful to know that Canada was partially to blame for the wildfire response. You see, California's water comes primarily from Canada, because Canada was north of the United States and water, as you know, flows downward. A friendlier northern neighbor would have not hesitated to "open the spigot", and is another reason why we need punitive tariffs against Canada.

The city, county and state were obviously unprepared even though 80 to 100 mph winds and dry winters are common in SoCal and have been for centuries. So are raging wildfires.

One of the biggest problems facing firefighters is a lack of water where it’s been needed and when it’s been needed. Pumps have been failing. Biden said it’s because the power was shut down as a fire prevention measure. Probably true, but why no diesel powered generators as backup for mission critical firefighting infrastructure? And there have been water pressure problems that even the governor said is “deeply disturbing.” He’s ordered an investigation.

The water infrastructure is antiquated and suffering from decades of deferred maintenance. The state of California hasn’t built a new reservoir since the 70s. The SoCal regional population 50 years ago was around 20 million. Now it’s more than 40 million. The valley floor is paved over and the LA river and other waterways are made of concrete. Rainwater just flows straight into Santa Monica bay. The Santa Inez reservoir is the second largest in the region, and it’s currently offline. That’s 117 million gallons that were unavailable.

Above ground utility lines and inadequate vegetation (fuel) mitigation policies have exacerbated the problem. Reports are coming out Southern California Edison lines might have sparked one of the conflagrations.

Blaming climate change for this nightmare is absurd. The dry weather, the vegetation, the hurricane force winds, and the hilly terrain and deep canyons are natural forces. The rapidly spreading fires in the populous region was entirely predictable.

I’m not among those pointing the finger exclusively at Karen Bass and Gavin Newsom. I’ve said repeatedly that there’s plenty of blame to go around at every level of CA government and the decline in effective governance in the state began long ago. LA is like a third world country.

 

[PaxNurgle]

^You do make several good points here, but we should also take into consideration that the weather conditions- dryness, hurricane winds, are highly atypical and are a product of anthropomorphic climate change. I am not saying that climate change is solely responsible- there should have been more water available, they should have done more effective wild-lands management and fire prevention, and so on.

 

[dmallord]

Shoulda, coulda, woulda... Remember the old days when the neighbor hoods would form bucket brigades? Don't see anyone volunteering along those lines...

Check that, I do recall seeing some folks setting up food tents to feed the fire fighters... that's cool.

 

[TastySuckToy]

What caused the fires was human inaction.

And malicious human action, according to reports.

 

[Shaglus_Ziegler]

Climate change drove the LA fires.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

The city, county and state were obviously unprepared even though 80 to 100 mph winds and dry winters are common in SoCal and have been for centuries. So are raging wildfires.

One of the biggest problems facing firefighters is a lack of water where it’s been needed and when it’s been needed. Pumps have been failing. Biden said it’s because the power was shut down as a fire prevention measure. Probably true, but why no diesel powered generators as backup for mission critical firefighting infrastructure? And there have been water pressure problems that even the governor said is “deeply disturbing.” He’s ordered an investigation.

The water infrastructure is antiquated and suffering from decades of deferred maintenance. The state of California hasn’t built a new reservoir since the 70s. The SoCal regional population 50 years ago was around 20 million. Now it’s more than 40 million. The valley floor is paved over and the LA river and other waterways are made of concrete. Rainwater just flows straight into Santa Monica bay. The Santa Inez reservoir is the second largest in the region, and it’s currently offline. That’s 117 million gallons that were unavailable.

Above ground utility lines and inadequate vegetation (fuel) mitigation policies have exacerbated the problem. Reports are coming out Southern California Edison lines might have sparked one of the conflagrations.

Blaming climate change for this nightmare is absurd. The dry weather, the vegetation, the hurricane force winds, and the hilly terrain and deep canyons are natural forces. The rapidly spreading fires in the populous region was entirely predictable.

I’m not among those pointing the finger exclusively at Karen Bass and Gavin Newsom. I’ve said repeatedly that there’s plenty of blame to go around at every level of CA government and the decline in effective governance in the state began long ago. LA is like a third world country.

This is incredibly wrong. Normally the area would have about 4.5 inches of rainfall between October & the end of the calendar year, this year was 0.15 inches.

It's hypocrisy at its highest to attack politicians in California for the fires but not politicians in Florida for the hurricanes.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

This is incredibly wrong. Normally the area would have about 4.5 inches of rainfall between October & the end of the calendar year, this year was 0.15 inches.

It's hypocrisy at its highest to attack politicians in California for the fires but not politicians in Florida for the hurricanes.

You’re wrong. Rainfall in the area doesn’t follow a consistent year to year pattern. It swings between years of wet winters and dry winters. I’ve posted the data that shows this over the past 125 years. Ask anyone who has lived there for any period of time to tell you about the cyclical periods of droughts, accompanied by water rationing and moratoriums on watering lawns and washing cars.

 

[UltraChad]

It's hypocrisy at its highest to attack politicians in California for the fires but not politicians in Florida for the hurricanes.

No it's not.

Hurricanes can't be significantly reduced and even prevented by picking up your shit.

Fires can.

 

[PintlerMan]

climate change is very very real, "man made" climate change is very very not real. Billion years old planet, and we think we can hurt and or change what IT wants to do, we are nothing to this planet, flea's as it where. This planet is trying to kill us.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

You’re wrong. Rainfall in the area doesn’t follow a consistent year to year pattern. It swings between years of wet winters and dry winters. I’ve posted the data that shows this over the past 125 years. Ask anyone who has lived there for any period of time to tell you about the cyclical periods of droughts, accompanied by water rationing and moratoriums on watering lawns and washing cars.

I’m right. I’m looking at rainfall totals for the past 20 years in Santa Monica in the LA Almanac.

There’s never been a year like this. 17-18 was dry through January of 18, but there was over an 1 of rain in January.

13-14 was low .4 but not as low as this current year .08.

And it’s not like politicians know in advance which years will be wetter than others.

 

[gumdropface]

climate change is very very real, "man made" climate change is very very not real. Billion years old planet, and we think we can hurt and or change what IT wants to do, we are nothing to this planet, flea's as it where. This planet is trying to kill us.

In 2025 it is very hard to fathom anyone not believing that humans pumping tons and tons of Carbon Dioxide into the atmosphere every day has ZERO effect on the Earth's climate. Also to mention, the very living objects that convert Carbon Dioxide to Oxygen are being removed for "progress" and expansion.

Absolute willful Idiocy.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

climate change is very very real, "man made" climate change is very very not real. Billion years old planet, and we think we can hurt and or change what IT wants to do, we are nothing to this planet, flea's as it where. This planet is trying to kill us.

We're likely past due for the Sixth Extinction Event anyway.

 

[Politruk]

climate change is very very real, "man made" climate change is very very not real. Billion years old planet, and we think we can hurt and or change what IT wants to do, we are nothing to this planet, flea's as it where. This planet is trying to kill us.

See here.

Also here.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

I’m right. I’m looking at rainfall totals for the past 20 years in Santa Monica in the LA Almanac.

There’s never been a year like this. 17-18 was dry through January of 18, but there was over an 1 of rain in January.

13-14 was low .4 but not as low as this current year .08.

And it’s not like politicians know in advance which years will be wetter than others.

I’m right. I’m looking at rainfall totals for the past 20 years in Santa Monica in the LA Almanac.

There’s never been a year like this. 17-18 was dry through January of 18, but there was over an 1 of rain in January.

13-14 was low .4 but not as low as this current year .08.

And it’s not like politicians know in advance which years will be wetter than others.

Have you ever lived in Southern California? Extended periods of dry winters are common, followed by some winters with a good amount of precipitation. When it does rain there, nobody complains. Pretty everyone says “we need the rain!” Santa Ana winds, which pretty much appear every year, are dry and powerful.

Everyone knows wildfires are a perennial threat. The city, county, and state was not adequately prepared for the inevitable and that’s why the devastation was worse than it needed to be. Phase 2 of the nightmare, the insurance disaster, is now commencing. It too is exacerbated by poor governance and it’s going to last years.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

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Have you ever lived in Southern California? Extended periods of dry winters are common, followed by some winters with a good amount of precipitation. When it does rain there, nobody complains. Pretty everyone says “we need the rain!” Santa Ana winds, which pretty much appear every year, are dry and powerful.

Everyone knows wildfires are a perennial threat. The city, county, and state was not adequately prepared for the inevitable and that’s why the devastation was worse than it needed to be. Phase 2 of the nightmare, the insurance disaster, is now commencing. It too is exacerbated by poor governance and it’s going to last years.

Ok, so name another winter as dry as this one.
You’re posting the annual rainfall totals, not the winter rainfall totals. There are some years when March or April get more rain and that wouldn’t be as close to the traditional fire season.

Again, why aren’t you blaming politicians in Florida or NC for hurricanes?

 

[Wat_Tyler]

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[UltraChad]

Again, why aren’t you blaming politicians in Florida or NC for hurricanes?

Because Florida and NC don't cause their own hurricanes and then blame Democrats when their state government decides it's just not their problem, they need more MONEY!!!! That the people will never get because progress.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Ok, so name another winter as dry as this one.
You’re posting the annual rainfall totals, not the winter rainfall totals. There are some years when March or April get more rain and that wouldn’t be as close to the traditional fire season.

Again, why aren’t you blaming politicians in Florida or NC for hurricanes?

1962. Wildfires happen regularly in LA and other parts of the state. Without adequate fire prevention and firefighting preparation, the devastation is exacerbated. That’s what’s happening in LA county. The city, county and state were unprepared for this very predictable situation.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

1962. Wildfires happen regularly in LA and other parts of the state. Without adequate fire prevention and firefighting preparation, the devastation is exacerbated. That’s what’s happening in LA county. The city, county and state were unprepared for this very predictable situation.

Ok, so your argument that this regularly happens is totally defeated because this hasn’t happened in over 60 years. Did that year also see Santa Ana winds of over 80 MPH?

Do you have any proof at all that any of the firefighters in So Cal weren’t trained to deal with wildfires that are a regular occurrence?

Again, why do politicians in Florida and NC get a pass on hurricanes?

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Ok, so your argument that this regularly happens is totally defeated because this hasn’t happened in over 60 years. Did that year also see Santa Ana winds of over 80 MPH?

Do you have any proof at all that any of the firefighters in So Cal weren’t trained to deal with wildfires that are a regular occurrence?

Again, why do politicians in Florida and NC get a pass on hurricanes?

Raging wildfires happen frequently. Dry, highly combustible vegetation is the norm. Santa Ana winds occur 15 to 25 times a year, commonly reaching 80 mph to 100 mph.

Florida has experienced many hurricanes. When hurricanes occur, the state is well prepared for them. SoCal has experienced many wildfires. Unlike FL, LA city and county were not as prepared as they should have been.

Unlike dry winters and Santa Ana winds in CA, and hurricanes in FL, the magnitude of flooding in NC was not a common occurrence. It was an extremely rare if not unprecedented weather event where many of the victims were in lightly populated areas with limited access.

The financial consequences of being inadequately prepared in SoCal will far exceed the events in FL and NC.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Raging wildfires happen frequently. Dry, highly combustible vegetation is the norm. Santa Ana winds occur 15 to 25 times a year, commonly reaching 80 mph to 100 mph.

Florida has experienced many hurricanes. When hurricanes occur, the state is well prepared for them. SoCal has experienced many wildfires. Unlike FL, LA city and county were not as prepared as they should have been.

Unlike dry winters and Santa Ana winds in CA, and hurricanes in FL, the magnitude of flooding in NC was not a common occurrence. It was an extremely rare if not unprecedented weather event where many of the victims were in lightly populated areas with limited access.

The financial consequences of being inadequately prepared in SoCal will far exceed the events in FL and NC.

You’re working really hard not to answer what I’m asking and answering questions that no one has asked.

The question I‘ve asked over & over again is when has So Cal seen similar conditions? The best answer you could come up with was when none of the current politicians were alive or when they were so young they wouldn’t remember. You still haven’t answered that because we don’t know if the Santa Ana winds were as bad at the same time in 1962.

I just asked if So Cal firefighters are trained to deal with these wildfires. You didn’t answer so I’m going to take that to mean you do admit they were trained and prepared.

You brought up the flooding in NC due to a hurricane, which the area regularly experiences at that time. Hurricanes are so expected in NC that the local NHL team is named the Hurricanes. So again, why do politicians in NC get a pass for something that according to you they should have expected but turned out disasterous?

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

You’re working really hard not to answer what I’m asking and answering questions that no one has asked.

The question I‘ve asked over & over again is when has So Cal seen similar conditions? The best answer you could come up with was when none of the current politicians were alive or when they were so young they wouldn’t remember. You still haven’t answered that because we don’t know if the Santa Ana winds were as bad at the same time in 1962.

I just asked if So Cal firefighters are trained to deal with these wildfires. You didn’t answer so I’m going to take that to mean you do admit they were trained and prepared.

You brought up the flooding in NC due to a hurricane, which the area regularly experiences at that time. Hurricanes are so expected in NC that the local NHL team is named the Hurricanes. So again, why do politicians in NC get a pass for something that according to you they should have expected but turned out disasterous?

I explained to you that Santa Ana winds occur 15 to 25 times a year, with 80 mph being very common. They are also very dry, creating low humidity.

It rarely rains at all between May and November. Sometimes the region gets decent rainfall in December, and more often the strong rains come later. Even in years where the rainy season exceeds the average, the region is bone dry by late summer. The hills are brown and the underbrush is highly combustible. Those conditions remain until there’s enough rain to saturate the earth and spawn renewed growth of grasses and shrubbery. December was a dry month in the south land as it often is. The wildfire risk was well known not only to public officials, but everyone living in the area.

Despite that reality, fire hydrants were empty or lacking sufficient pressure. 117 million gallons of water storage was unavailable due to maintenance work with no backup supply. The state hasn’t built a reservoir in over 50 years, despite a doubling of population. As I’ve said repeatedly, the lack of preparation didn’t start with the current mayor and governor. The incompetence spans decades.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

I explained to you that Santa Ana winds occur 15 to 25 times a year, with 80 mph being very common. They are also very dry, creating low humidity.

It rarely rains at all between May and November. Sometimes the region gets decent rainfall in December, and more often the strong rains come later. Even in years where the rainy season exceeds the average, the region is bone dry by late summer. The hills are brown and the underbrush is highly combustible. Those conditions remain until there’s enough rain to saturate the earth and spawn renewed growth of grasses and shrubbery. December was a dry month in the south land as it often is. The wildfire risk was well known not only to public officials, but everyone living in the area.

Despite that reality, fire hydrants were empty or lacking sufficient pressure. 117 million gallons of water storage was unavailable due to maintenance work with no backup supply. The state hasn’t built a reservoir in over 50 years, despite a doubling of population. As I’ve said repeatedly, the lack of preparation didn’t start with the current mayor and governor. The incompetence spans decades.

Again, that's not what I asked. I asked if these conditions ever happened before & the best that you could do was MAYBE they happened over 60 years ago we don't know if the Santa Ana winds were as high in 1962 as they were this month. I'm going to take you not answering the question as the Santa Ana winds were not as high in 1962 as they have been now or you could not find records to show that winds were as high as they are now in winter of 1962.

No one is talking about May - November we're talking about an event that is happening in January, And just to clarify in some years there has been significant rain in November, 2 years ago in November 22 the month saw 2 inches of rain.

The trained & prepared firefighters didn't have any water to fight the fires?
Do you think the reservoir should have remained opened and been giving people drinking water that was not up to law?

 

[Hel_Books]

Climate change drove the LA fires.

Perhaps. Linking any one particular event to climate change is difficult. The naysayers will say the catastrophe was driven by people building in fire-prone locations, not managing forests properly (astounding to think the aboriginal population of the area did a better job of it than the advanced technological civilization of the state of California!), leaving reservoirs unfilled etc. etc. etc.

That's a major reason the environmental movement is having difficulties with backlash. It would make more sense to emphasize that POLLUTION IS BAD. I mean, everyone agrees that, whether or not CO2 and methane emissions are changing the climate (which they are), pumping out smoke from coal-fired power plants or automobile tailpipes is bad for the human population of the earth!

I just read that the next USA Presidential inauguration will be held indoors because of the cold. Wonder if anyone at the ceremonies will announce that this is evidence global warming is a hoax?

 

[PintlerMan]

nope, you lefties posts and claims always fail, this will not age well like all your weird claims. clowns.