Why the 17th Amendment?

[Politruk]

RW cranks sometimes demand the repeal of the 17th, which requires direct election of U.S. senators by their state's voters. Which means they want to hand that decision back to the state legislatures, who elected senators previously.

Why?

 

[Politruk]

It's NOT so the state GOVERNMENTS, as political entities, should be represented in DC. Even in the old days, senators were politically independent -- they were never state ambassadors taking their marching orders from their state capitals.

 

[UltraChad]

RW cranks sometimes demand the repeal of the 17th, which requires direct election of U.S. senators by their state's voters. Which means they want to hand that decision back to the state legislatures, who elected senators previously.

Why?

So the state GOVERNMENTS, as political entities, should be represented in DC.

It's NOT so the state GOVERNMENTS, as political entities, should be represented in DC.

Yes it is. Fucking dumb commie sack of shit.

Are you a fucking abortion survivor?? Because you're half scrambled son.....

 

[Politruk]

So the state GOVERNMENTS, as political entities, should be represented in DC.



Yes it is. Fucking dumb commie sack of shit.

Are you a fucking abortion survivor?? Because you're half scrambled son.....

Even in the old days, senators were politically independent -- they were never state ambassadors taking their marching orders from their state capitals.

 

[Politruk]

Stranger still, this move would empower the professional politicians at the expense of the voters -- the reverse of what RWs claim to want.

 

[Bray123]

No member of law enforcement, from cops, sheriffs to judges should be political or elected. In developed countries it's an offence for such people to even display signs of political allegiance.

 

[Politruk]

No member of law enforcement, from cops, sheriffs to judges should be political or elected. In developed countries it's an offence for such people to even display signs of political allegiance.

But we're talking about legislators.

 

[UltraChad]

Even in the old days, senators were politically independent -- they were never state ambassadors taking their marching orders from their state capitals.

So the fuck what?

No member of law enforcement, from cops, sheriffs to judges should be political or elected.

That's a fun fantasy!! What are you 8 year old???

In developed countries it's an offence for such people to even display signs of political allegiance.

No it's not, being a judicial activist is a nearly WORSHIPED and celebrated display..... who the fuck are you lying to?? Yourself??

 

[Rightguide]

So the state GOVERNMENTS, as political entities, should be represented in DC.



Yes it is. Fucking dumb commie sack of shit.

Are you a fucking abortion survivor?? Because you're half scrambled son.....

He should go back to school and he'd know the answers to all of the dumb questions he asks.

 

[Politruk]

So the fuck what?

So being elected by state legislatures did not make senators the representatives of state governments.

 

[Politruk]

Stranger still, this move would empower the professional politicians at the expense of the voters -- the reverse of what RWs claim to want.

This is pretty important.

 

[UltraChad]

So being elected by state legislatures did not make senators the representatives of state governments.

Yes it does.

The same way the House of Representatives represents the people...despite all 330 million of us not being there personally.

 

[Politruk]

Yes it does.

The same way the House of Representatives represents the people...despite all 330 million of us not being there personally.

Even when the senators were elected by state legislatures, they effectively represented their states' people, not their governments. The only way to arrange the latter would be to make each senator serve at the pleasure of his governor, who would have the power to replace him at any time.

 

[UltraChad]

Even when the senators were elected by state legislatures, they effectively represented their states' people, not their governments.

And the states governments are representatives of the people

You can try to remove parts of that chain to suit your bullshit narrative but it will always be bullshit.

The only way to arrange the latter would be to make each senator serve at the pleasure of his governor, who would have the power to replace him at any time.

You're fucking retarded.

 

[Politruk]

And the states governments are representatives of the people

You can try to remove parts of that chain to suit your bullshit narrative but it will always be bullshit.



You're fucking retarded.

You're not making any case for repealing the 17th.

You're not even showing the slightest comprehension of any relevant issues.

 

[Politruk]

Stranger still, this move would empower the professional politicians at the expense of the voters -- the reverse of what RWs claim to want.

This is pretty important.

 

[UltraChad]

You're not making any case for repealing the 17th.

I'm not trying to make a communist anti-American case.

You're not even showing the slightest comprehension of any relevant issues.

What do you think are the relevant issues??

This is pretty important.

NOT EVEN IN THE SLIGHTEST....

 

[Politruk]

I'm not trying to make a communist anti-American case.

You're not making any case at all.

What do you think are the relevant issues??

Near as I can tell, there aren't any. That's why this "Repeal the 17th!" talk is so puzzling.

 

[Politruk]

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[UltraChad]

You're not making any case at all.

I am you're just too fucking myopic and retarded to get it.

Near as I can tell, there aren't any. That's why this "Repeal the 17th!" talk is so puzzling.

Living with your head that far up your own ass is hard bud.

 

[Politruk]

I am you're just too fucking myopic and retarded to get it.

You haven't given any good reason, nor any bad reason either, for letting state legislatures instead of voters elect senators.

 

[UltraChad]

You haven't given any good reason, nor any bad reason either, for letting state legislatures instead of voters elect senators.

Because we are a union of states and democracy is lame as fuck.

 

[Politruk]

Because we are a union of states and democracy is lame as fuck.

That isn't a reason.

 

[UltraChad]

That isn't a reason.

Just because you don't like states existing or the USA being a thing..... doesn't make it not a reason.

Just makes you an anti-USA pile of shit, but we already knew that.

 

[Politruk]

Just because you don't like states existing or the USA being a thing..... doesn't make it not a reason.

Just makes you an anti-USA pile of shit, but we already knew that.

One occasionally hears the phrase, "The United States is a republic, not a democracy." What this means -- when it means anything at all -- is, "The U.S. is a federal state, not a unitary state."

That is a non-sequitur. Republican government has nothing whatsoever to do with federal/decentralized government. There is no connection between the two, none at all.

France has a unitary system of government. Germany has a federal system. France is just as good a republic.

The U.S. is a democratic republic. As opposed to an aristocratic republic, like the old Republic of Venice, where only the nobility of the Golden Book could vote.